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post Apr 25 2024, 09:06 AM, updated 2y ago

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My friend charge his ev car during day time...enegy from solar/tnb....night time  he is using his ev car as a genset.

I also have alot of balance......at this moment mine I sold it to my neighbour as he has just bought an ev car.....

I am considering using my EV as genset copy what my friend did.

Anyone done this? EV like a power bank?

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post Apr 25 2024, 09:14 AM

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Unless your car can provide three phase electricity...
No way.

But it is possible when they are lots of used EV that is retired, possible to hack and engineer it to work.


Plus need to address.

1. Full time on/off grid?
2. Nem, off? Meaning self only.
3. Single or three phase.

Basically need a full gen/full battery backup sat to be honest, if you are fully off grid. Because solar will have lots of dips and surge in production.

This post has been edited by skywardsword: Apr 25 2024, 09:17 AM
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:16 AM

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Continuously charging and discharging the car isn't going to be giving a long shelf life to the battery.

So to try to save on electricity bills you go and degrade the one thing that will cost a brand new myvi
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 25 2024, 09:16 AM)
Continuously charging and discharging the car isn't going to be giving a long shelf life to the battery.

So to try to save on electricity bills you go and degrade the one thing that will cost a brand new myvi
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But it is 8 years warranty......and at year 6 i plan to dispose off
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:17 AM

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Good idea, just dun cry mader fader why you change battery faster than other EV car users.
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(COOLPINK @ Apr 25 2024, 09:17 AM)
Good idea, just dun cry mader fader why you change battery faster than other EV car users.
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EV car usually have 8 years battery waranty....and can extend 2 more years by paying Rm4K extra. Total 10 years.
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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:17 AM)
But it is 8 years warranty......and at year 6 i plan to dispose off
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Evs are meant to save you money but you end up spending more than petrol that you pump over the years.

I don't get you ev drivers
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Apr 25 2024, 09:14 AM)
Unless your car can provide three phase electricity...
No way.

But it is possible when they are lots of used EV that is retired, possible to hack and engineer it to work.
Plus need to address.

1. Full time on/off grid?
2. Nem, off? Meaning self only.
3. Single or three phase.

Basically need a full gen/full battery backup sat to be honest, if you are fully off grid. Because solar will have lots of dips and surge in production.
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You should go check how byd car charge at ah kow ah mou b40 house .....
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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:22 AM)
EV car usually have 8 years battery waranty....and can extend 2 more years by paying Rm4K extra. Total 10 years.
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If you think you are smarter than EV manufacturers tat they wont know what you are doing then go ahead.

Hope u read the warranty T&C first.....
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 25 2024, 09:22 AM)
Evs are meant to save you money but you end up spending more than petrol that you pump over the years.

I don't get you ev drivers
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I always like to change car ...my style.....boring to drive same car over and over.....you have no life if drive a dynasour
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(COOLPINK @ Apr 25 2024, 09:25 AM)
If you think you are smarter than EV manufacturers tat they wont know what you are doing then go ahead.

Hope u read the warranty T&C first.....
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I read the T&C....the car can be use as genset/power bank....they even provided 3 pin plug outlet & cable for it.
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:27 AM

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Why you want to strain your expensive battery mileage?

I believe buying batteries and properly setting up for energy storage will still be a cheaper choice than a full fledged EV now
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Apr 25 2024, 09:27 AM)
Why you want to strain your expensive battery mileage?

I believe buying batteries and properly setting up for energy storage will still be a cheaper choice than a full fledged EV now
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BYD battery only cost RM24K replacement......is that expensive?...maybe 2027 drop to RM15K

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post Apr 25 2024, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:27 AM)
I read the T&C....the car can be use as genset/power bank....they even provided 3 pin plug outlet &  cable for it.
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Occasional use while you’re outside or camping are reasonable lah.

But using it everyday? You’re just putting additional strains to your car battery for no reason.
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:06 AM)
My friend  charge his ev car during day time...enegy from solar/tnb....night time  he is using his ev car as a genset.

I also have alot of balance......at this moment mine I sold it to my neighbour as he has just bought an ev car.....

I am considering using my EV as genset copy what my friend did.

Anyone done this? EV like a power bank?
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The same amount of money can buy you deep cycle solar battery to power whole row of house in you taman laugh.gif
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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:27 AM)
I read the T&C....the car can be use as genset/power bank....they even provided 3 pin plug outlet &  cable for it.
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Like i said up to you, just dun cry mader fader later on.
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Apr 25 2024, 09:28 AM)
Occasional use while you’re outside or camping are reasonable lah.

But using it everyday? You’re just putting additional strains to your car battery for no reason.
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They are BYD EV users.....selling Loklok at road side in China.....doing that every day
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:29 AM)
The same amount of money can buy you deep cycle solar battery to power whole row of house in you taman laugh.gif
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You are being stupid....maybe years 2027 we have engineer ....solving problem of storing solar electricity day time .in EV......and sell it back to grip during night time...people like you do deserve to remain poor......low IQ

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Yes. the V2G is part of the future planning
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:30 AM)
They are BYD EV users.....selling Loklok  at road side in China.....doing that every day
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BYD is cheap in Tongsan, they pretty much expect to pakai buang it when battery degrades too much.

Also if you’re doing business, so long as your revenues > the losses/costs, it’s justifiable. Meanwhile you’re getting it for home use, how to justify the huge losses?

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People here doesnt seem to know how little power you use in a home relative to a running car. To say thats its going to use and drain your cycle life is unfounded (might as well not use your car then)

EV rejuvenating back to the grid is an excellent idea except Tesla doesnt buy that idea because it will cannibalize their Powerwall sales

There is already a lot of effort to convert used ev batteries to become in house home battery
https://github.com/dalathegreat/Battery-Emulator
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:32 AM)
You are being stupid....maybe years 2027 we have engineer ....solving problem of storing solar electricity day time .in EV......and sell it back to grip during night time...people like you do deserve to remain poor......low IQ
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Buying deep cycle solar battery to power your neighbour house is stupid???

This ibreally kennot brain laugh.gif
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QUOTE(msacras @ Apr 25 2024, 09:33 AM)
BYD is cheap in Tongsan, they pretty much expect to pakai buang it when battery degrades too much.

Also if you’re doing business, so long as your revenues > the losses/costs, it’s justifiable. Meanwhile you’re getting it for home use, how to justify the huge losses?
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I am doing it bcs I dislike how my TNB energy balance got burn annually.....
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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:25 AM)
I always like to change car ...my style.....boring to drive same car over and over.....you have no life if drive a dynasour
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Hahaha... My kereta 10 tabun dah coming to 11 years
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kek, like siphoning out petrol from the car to power genset
when what want to use the car, gg
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Hahaha... My kereta 10 tabun dah coming to 11 years
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:40 AM

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Depends lar. LFP battery average shelf life around 3000-3500 full cycles.

If single cycle = 400km. 400 X 3000 = 1,200,000 kilometer max shelf life before it started giving problems and needed to change new ones.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Apr 25 2024, 09:40 AM)
Depends lar. LFP battery average shelf life around 3000-3500 full cycles.

If single cycle = 400km. 400 X 3000 = 1,200,000 kilometer max shelf life before it started giving problems and needed to change new ones.
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EV Wuling cheap car in China already 4 years battery still very good at ...85% healthy...you can go Douyin Wuling EV car group
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Gentleman and Ladies. Be kind to each other. Attack the idea , do not attack the.person.

Like I mentioned. I thought of this as well.


1. Is your battery going to be on and off the premise during the day while solar power is charging? Say you have multiple cars and or motorbikes and you have the ability to manage your cars on site time. Which honestly does not work logistically.

2. If you have multiple cars that can be charged and than used, charge and used... Like a fleet. Probably can work.

3. Go watch Matt Ferrell's undecided on his take of Solar power. Got a few video discussing how the Solar grid tied system works. And it applies to battery solar grid tied system too.

4. Once you able to wrap the requirement of TNB grid orffering 60HZ, 230V. Than you can think of a inverter that is smart enough to be grid tied and also hybrid battery.

Btw: NEM requires that if TNB is down, that all back flow of electricity from Solar Nem to also shut down completely, as a safety feature to not electrocute OUR TNB technician doing repairs.

I do not work for tnb... But they are our Technician. Pls be kind to TNB technician.













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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Apr 25 2024, 09:45 AM)
Gentleman and Ladies. Be kind to each other. Attack the idea , do not attack the.person.

Like I mentioned. I thought of this as well.
1. Is your battery going to be on and off the premise during the day while solar power is charging? Say you have multiple cars and or motorbikes and you have the ability to manage your cars on site time. Which honestly does not work logistically.

2. If you have multiple cars that can be charged and than used, charge and used... Like a fleet. Probably can work.

3. Go watch Matt Ferrell's undecided on his take of Solar power. Got a few video discussing how the Solar grid tied system works. And it applies to battery solar grid tied system too.

4. Once you able to wrap the requirement of TNB grid orffering 60HZ, 230V. Than you can think of a inverter that is smart enough to be grid tied and also hybrid battery.

Btw: NEM requires that if TNB is down, that all back flow of electricity from Solar Nem to also shut down completely, as a safety feature to not electrocute OUR TNB technician doing repairs.

I do not work for tnb... But they are our Technician. Pls be kind to TNB technician.
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Since your home already have solar panel installed , why not just upgrade the system to store any excess energy generated for the day?

Calculate the maximum energy your solar panel able to generate and buy enough battery according to maximum generated energy

This is more safe , easy and cost effective to maintain then buying EV car as an energy storage


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first you need to ask bomba how to get the permit.

QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:06 AM)
My friend  charge his ev car during day time...enegy from solar/tnb....night time  he is using his ev car as a genset.

I also have alot of balance......at this moment mine I sold it to my neighbour as he has just bought an ev car.....

I am considering using my EV as genset copy what my friend did.

Anyone done this? EV like a power bank?
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If you think you can, you can. Just go ahead.
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ig you plan on doing this get EV that uses LFP battery, those can tahan alot of cycles compared to NMC, like 4-8 times more
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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:22 AM)
EV car usually have 8 years battery waranty....and can extend 2 more years by paying Rm4K extra. Total 10 years.
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what happen after 10 years, are u going to keep it or dispose it? wonder how many people will buy a car with near expired battery warranty and will cost them a national car to replace.
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as long as your house is wired to be able to change power source, ok je
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BYD V2L only can output 2.3kW. not enough to power the whole house, you need V2H for that.

Hyundai can do 3.3kW, MG the highest rate can do 6kW from its V2L

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Apr 25 2024, 11:29 AM)
BYD V2L only can output 2.3kW. not enough to power the whole house, you need V2H for that.
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Agree. At least 11-15kw output only can power the whole house…
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 25 2024, 09:22 AM)
Evs are meant to save you money but you end up spending more than petrol that you pump over the years.

I don't get you ev drivers
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Evs are supposed to safe the planet.
secondary is for saving money.

But end of the day....
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Apr 25 2024, 09:38 AM)
kek, like siphoning out petrol from the car to power genset
when what want to use the car, gg
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You are being stupid....maybe years 2027 we have engineer ....solving problem of storing solar electricity day time .in EV......and sell it back to grip during night time...people like you do deserve to remain poor......low IQ


he already throw the word already, you dare to question? you must be deserve to remain poor and low iq whistling.gif
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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:53 AM)
Since your home already have solar panel installed , why not just upgrade the system to store any excess energy generated for the day?

Calculate the maximum energy your solar panel able to generate and buy enough battery according to maximum generated energy

This is more safe , easy and cost effective  to maintain then buying EV car as an energy storage
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My house not yet. My boss house/which I work from, just start to explore solar as the bill jump from rm700 to rm1000 from January 2024.


Battery works, but honestly would not advise the Bosses to get battery system as we have the NEM. Which is the cheapest way to get Solar and enjoy best of both worlds.

Once the NEM ends, if it ever ends, than consider to self supply Battery system.


Solar helps and also is a drag on the Grid on some instances. But it makes sense most of the time.

When weather is hot, people on Aircon, and the solar panels is just right at the peak performance.


However when there is a cascading problem due to supply issues, it can easily become a mode ferk situation that cannot recover unless do load shedding at grid level.








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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 25 2024, 09:22 AM)
Evs are meant to save you money but you end up spending more than petrol that you pump over the years.

I don't get you ev drivers
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Cost and efficiency for day trip from Subang Jaya to Gua Musang.
Total Distance: 580km (290km each way)
Battery SOC: 100% to 40% from Subang Jaya to Gua Musang, @ 125wh/km
Charge at DC Handal Gua Musang 47kW DC: 40% to 90%, 45min, negligible as it is lunch time
Battery SOC: 90% to 35% from Gua Musang to Subang Jaya @ 113wh/km
Travel time each way: approx 4 hours
Car: Tesla Model 3 RWD @ 60kwh battery
Charging Cost: DC charging 33kWh @ RM1.3 = RM42.90, actual figure recorded from the charger display
Charging Cost: AC charging 43kWh @ RM0.7 (assuming worst rate for residential tariff with RM0.10 TNB surcharge plus SST etc) = RM30.10, already considered charging efficiency of 90%
Total Charging Cost = RM73 or 35.6l petrol equivalent
Equivalent petrol consumption efficiency: 580/35.6 = 16.3km/l
My house is with solar roof so my AC charging cost is much lower as my solar electricity cost is approx RM0.3/kwh, so my actual total charging cost would be lower at about RM55.80 or 27.2l petrol equivalent @ 21.3km/l equivalent petrol efficiency

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Apr 25 2024, 10:26 AM)
what happen after 10 years, are u going to keep it or dispose it? wonder how many people will buy a car with near expired battery warranty and will cost them a national car to replace.
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byd battery replacement now 20K.....future maybe 10K++
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Apr 17 2024, 09:38 PM)
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109563767 - Tesla got hit on the door will TOTAL LOSS

= BYD SC in Thailand recently charged 896,000 baht or US26k or RM125k to replace-new the 50kWh LFP Blade battery of the above damaged BYD Atto 3 Standard Range  but got EV-lovers here are expecting the price of EV cars to drop substantially in the near future. 
....... A new BYD Atto 3 SR in Thailand cost 1,099,900 baht (= RM143k) or US$30k before March 2024.

So, the BYD Atto 3 Extended Range 60kWh LFP Blade battery will cost about US$30k or RM144k to replace-new, compared to it's sale price of 1,199,900 baht (= RM156k) or US$33k before March 2024

This US$26k price for a new BYD LFP Blade 50kWh battery replacement is while the price of Lithium Carbonate is presently at near bottom, ie CNY109,000 per metric ton. It's price had peaked in Nov 2022 at CNY600,000 per metric ton. .......

https://www.mining.com/web/china-lithium-pr...-2024-analysts/ - 1 Dec 2023 - China lithium price poised for further decline in 2024 – analysts
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Even if BYD had hiked up the price of it's spare parts like the new EV batteries, the 50kWh LFP Blade battery would still need to cost around US$20k or RM96k at the BYD factory.

So, I do not see the price of Chinese EV cars dropping substantially in the near future, so as to be able to compete with the price of ICE-V cars, unless the Chinese EV car-makers will sell at a loss in the long run, eg the Proton X70 price starts at RM99k whereas the similar BYD Atto 3 price starts at RM150k in Malaysia.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109565423 - china owns entire EV battery supply chain, mining, refining, every phase


QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 02:48 PM)
byd battery replacement now 20K.....future maybe 10K++
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Is your BYD battery replacement of RM20k sourced from CCP China.? Is the RM20k figure for new or remanufactured/recond battery replacement.? If for new battery replacement for BYD Atto 3, the cost in Thailand and Malaysia is much more expensive, eg shipping fees.
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QUOTE(adam71 @ Apr 25 2024, 09:28 AM)
BYD battery only cost RM24K replacement......is that expensive?...maybe 2027 drop to RM15K
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Thats cheap.
My 20kwh lithium battery for solar costs almost rm11k at 2019.
BYD battery how many kwh?

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well if u have too much money to burn, sure you can do it.

it would be cheaper, more efficient, and safer if just buy large LiFePO4 battery and hook it up over the solar and/or a charge controller for direct DC charging..

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Apa susah susah

Solar, sell it back to the grid, u wanna charge day or nite u suka

I dont get the point where u treat the EV like a battery for what?

 

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