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dexeric
post Aug 8 2024, 07:15 PM

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Not sure that are the actual topic is but the intel issue mainly is due to (a) having small non ht core sharing ring bus with performance core [different clock] (b) having to clock the ring bus to the moon to get perf cpu faster

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Regarding sd x elite vs x86 pc vs m2/3/4

M2/3/4 vs x86 - apple control the whole ecosystem and can make the whole pc to be efficient by doing all crucial part to be 1st party [ram, ssd, software[strict control on execution], and everything else] to achieve state of the art efficiency( at least affect a bit ).

AMD vs sd x elite - amd was design to reduce power envelope to cpu to provide more headroom to their gpu. When compare, xelite cpu is better than amd ryzen ai 9 300 series. But there is not much difference in cpu benchmark, in games there is alot difference.


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post Aug 9 2024, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 9 2024, 09:29 AM)
Poorly optimised software exist bcoz they know they can leverage on high power CPUS, high power CPU exist bcoz existing hardware uarch are poorly optimised for power efficiency & ipc, poorly optimised uarch exist bcoz back then the 70s & 80s (when X86 was rising), power efficiency wasnt a thing.

AFAIK I havent heard of a poor Apple or Android/Arm software that sucks more power than needed to run it. I stand to be corrected.

For X86 uarch to move forward, it needs to ditch legacy 16bit & 32bit function, and revamp its 64bit compute to be on par with SD/ Mseries.

Intel problem in this tered is symptomatic of X86 limitations due to pushing power limits when they hit the down nodeing wall. AMD 9000series is also indicative of this, perhaps moreso of the future, when they decided to pull back the TDP limit to 65W, as i suspected seeing TPU review with PBO off there was a little 5% more to gain so AMD too have hit a power performance wall with current uarch & node.
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Not sure why you are comparing desktop part to mobile part, to compare should be xelite to amd ai 9 300 series.
Most of the time it show a bit difference in performance and power but it is not big difference.

Regarding the uarch, you cannot run 16bit and 32bit function in windows 10 64. So why point out this. Just because the instruction set still support that, it does not mean it is still used in pc.

Heck 16bit not even supported in now...
Instruction set

AMD64 (x86-64) (AMD64 only support 32bit and 64bit)
Extensions
Crypto AES, SHA
SIMD MMX-plus, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, SSSE3, FMA3, AVX, AVX2, AVX512
Virtualization AMD-V

The only problem i see in this ARM vs x86 pc is RISC vs CISC design which is only affect by the legacy design of the operating system since the instruction set are different.


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post Aug 9 2024, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 9 2024, 10:46 AM)
Ryzen HS and Core HX CPUS are mobile parts no? But they share the same uarch as desktop parts and these are thermally hard to cool unlike SD Elite.

Just bcoz its not used in Windows doesnt mean the hardware to run is not ady there


But its precisely that since Windows no longer interact at such base algo that it makes no sense to keep them, so why not deprecate and remove 16 & 32bit function. Then by optimising 64bit, the transistor saved can be reuse to improve elsewhere or cut the die size down to reduce cost.

And its not like the end for legacy programs as software emulation could be used to run them.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeDOS

Free dos is 32 bit not 16 bit.

32 bit support is not as big deal as you think...
It might took space but it doesn't hinder performance as the part was not used when it is not used...
The real problem is the operating system. U try run amd processor in linux... and run arm processor in linux... still amd will have better performance there.

Plus there is huge difference in lithography between amd hs processor and sd x elite processor. Better lithography increase efficiency and performance by alot.


 

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