Here is decent AM5 example from my lazy reco list.
Gaming PC Level 1 (USD$1000 - <RM 5000) Prices based in USD converted
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7600X
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin X120 Refined SE
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650-S WiFi Pro / Asrock B650M-HDV
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL36
Storage: WD Blue SN850 NVMe SSD 1TB
Graphics Card: MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 8GB (16GB if budget can fit)
Alternative Graphics Card option: XFX Speedster RX 7700 XT Black Gaming
Case: Corsair 4000D AIRFLOW
PSU: Corsair RM750x, 750W, Cybenetics Gold, Fully Modular

Indeed which is why I did say gaming wise its better per watt. So it really depends on usage whether its primarily just a gaming PC or a daily regular use with some hours of gaming which in that case an Intel would use less wattage per day scenario. So YMMV.

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We talked about X86 backwards compatibility hampering its evolution progress but here is real proof how ridiculous deep it can running software way back to the DOS days.

https://www.techspot.com/news/104118-check-...n-hardware.html

Since X86 could not be weaned off its legacy limitations, there is no option than to move onto modern CPU uarchs that has no such need ie ARM & RISC V.

Its the baggage problem, X86 has too much legacy that it hampers a more efficient uarch/instruction set to replace it. Which is why ARM & Apple M are giving X86 the power efficiency & ipc middle fingers.

Apple did the right thing by cutting out legacy support, look at how good its M CPU when it caters to run modern software only. ARM is clean slate which should be the next evolution for computers. By supporting history software, X86 is history.

Smaller litho helps to pack in more cores and improve power efficiency but it doesnt explain why Apple M still has better ipc than Intel/AMD X86, its all to do with the uarch being designed from scratch.

Its bcoz these enterprises are too skinflint from investing into modernising their ancient hardware with that reason of 'need to support legacy sw' until there is no other choice then somehow they magically can port over without near killing their business.
Banking ATMS been a good example stubbornly staying on DOS until recently when they migrate to... Win XP lol. Somehow the financial sector didnt collapse. So I doubt there is really any technical reason for companies still relying on old systems.

OTOH there is anecdotal good excuses to stay as in during Crowdstrike outage it was US Southwestern airline that could remain operational due to running on Win 3.1. Somehow nobody mentioned such an outdated system can easily hacked or malware hit.

A ground up new uarch CPU can be hardened for better security against attacks on ancient processes that still exist in X86.

Not really three. Raptorlake has about same transistor count (~25bil) as M3 (nonPro) but it still loses in ipc, why? It the uarch.

That is SD 1st go at the Windows ecosystem, surely anything pioneer will have lotsa issues and Windows wasnt specifically design for ARM either. So there is a lot of room for optimisation yet to start whacking SD/ARM. Id say give it 3 gen then we will have a better picture where ARM sits with the X86s.

Its like badly optimised games gets pushed out bcoz developers know they can always rely on 4090s & 4080s to run these titles at acceptable FPS, the same type sloppy developers dont really care for X86 code optimisation as the CPU isnt built up to prioritise efficiency as much as their same software for ARM (you practically have to develop within a power/thermal envelope limit).

Poorly optimised software exist bcoz they know they can leverage on high power CPUS, high power CPU exist bcoz existing hardware uarch are poorly optimised for power efficiency & ipc, poorly optimised uarch exist bcoz back then the 70s & 80s (when X86 was rising), power efficiency wasnt a thing.

AFAIK I havent heard of a poor Apple or Android/Arm software that sucks more power than needed to run it. I stand to be corrected.

For X86 uarch to move forward, it needs to ditch legacy 16bit & 32bit function, and revamp its 64bit compute to be on par with SD/ Mseries.

Intel problem in this tered is symptomatic of X86 limitations due to pushing power limits when they hit the down nodeing wall. AMD 9000series is also indicative of this, perhaps moreso of the future, when they decided to pull back the TDP limit to 65W, as i suspected seeing TPU review with PBO off there was a little 5% more to gain so AMD too have hit a power performance wall with current uarch & node.

Ryzen HS and Core HX CPUS are mobile parts no? But they share the same uarch as desktop parts and these are thermally hard to cool unlike SD Elite.

Just bcoz its not used in Windows doesnt mean the hardware to run is not ady there


But its precisely that since Windows no longer interact at such base algo that it makes no sense to keep them, so why not deprecate and remove 16 & 32bit function. Then by optimising 64bit, the transistor saved can be reuse to improve elsewhere or cut the die size down to reduce cost.

And its not like the end for legacy programs as software emulation could be used to run them.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Aug 9 2024, 10:48 AM

We did run out from topic but the key thing is; Intel(mobo partners) screwed up with 13/14 Gen, AMD screwed up with X3D cooking itself and 9000series flops, we really need a 3rd CPU gamechanger and so far ARM/SD is the best bet to push CPU evolution to the next stage. Unless someone else comes up with quantum computing that fits into a 2in x 2in square.

Ohh and then theres China but lets not talk about them.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Aug 9 2024, 05:49 PM

For 13/14 Gen users, be aware there are TWO microcodes to install;
0x125 and the latest 0x129.
You should install both in sequence.

Why is, Intel has defined each code to perform different function on the volt setting, tho I am unsure if the later code has the fixes of the earlier release so just to be safe better to flash both into your bios.

First review of the microcode is in and at least this utuber said it doesnt fix the issue


It seems VDD is higher than spec, but Im not sure if VDD was the killer overvolt. Owners will still need to check their selves if still degrades post update, then its an epyc fail from Intel yet again (whats with these brands competing how to fail harder, et tu AMD?)

My advice would still remain same as when the issue blew up, dont trust them, even with the update do manually set limits to Intel specified on their product page:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/pro...ifications.html
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/pro...ifications.html
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/pro...ifications.html
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/pro...ifications.html

No point trying to push it down to the limit, its ady at the limit.

If need to change mobo & GPU, your got a different serious problem leh. CPU might be related but I dont see how it could have kill your GPU...

Once you got the replacement, do update both the microcodes (and any if got later), the set TDP limit to Intel PBP, then set VDD limit according to the video posted above. I think after this should be stable unless something else was discovered.

Could be something else related; RAM or storage? Or power supply?

Backplate? You mean the ILM bracket holding the CPU rite?
Yeah similar to my result too, reduce by 8oC https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110531724

Your using fishtank case so temps will defo be higher cuz airflow in these type of cases is poor.

Haha cuz I heard its high risk to screw RAM stability due to wrongly tighten down with unequal pressure, having to redo RAM tuning & testing, stability issue whatnot. Hell no I will go thru that after 2 weeks of RAM tuning. Also I want to make sure doing properly will give it best chance to work and doing it methodically isnt that difficult once I understand the concept. But congrats on your results too!

Now I wonder if anyone will do for LGA1851 as well haha.

Agreed, altho in my history I seem to be with Intel somehow, coming up to 10 systems, PC & laptop inc a work based lappie. Never had an AMD (or Mac) as oddly I went thru without upgrading into Intel 14+++++ era, hanging on with my Ivybridge lappie until my Alderlake PC.
So im quite optimistic that the next time I need change again its perhaps my luck that Intel will have something good.