Taller, and wider with slightly shorter wheelbase but by and large similar dimensions

Similar HP, better torque and faster century spin, and boy , never thought to see it so soon in 2024, similar price of RM12xk

The equipments and spec are very also very similar

https://www.carbase.my/car-comparison?id=Tw...f0dm,WCY4LUosrn,

Smart move, MG?!








This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 7 2024, 10:15 AM

Also win over Mazda CX3 and Mazda CX30

https://www.carbase.my/car-comparison?id=Tw...aEPZ,Rp0NL3e5g8,

Nah, not going to impact the Honda's sale figures since we are brand conscious...might convert those from BaoTeng though...

Funny you have mentioned Brand, do you know how old MG brand is and how old Honda is.?


One is 1920s and another 1950s, but I agree not many are actually really brand " conscious " and realize that

EV ? Nah...where is the RV

j/k

More China cars.........LOL

The design is quite old school in my eyes, not unlike the Corolla Cross.
HRV or even WRV look fresher.

You see how long the queue at sushi restaurant vs fish & chips restaurant you know which one more popular already

Also one is an original company that still exist, another is just the name, the original company is no more since like the 1970s

Mini is owned by German BMW
Rolls-Royce also by German BMW
Bentley is owned by another German Volkswagen AG
Jaguar and Landrover is owned by Tata Group of India
Volvo (The Swedish), Lotus, Proton and Smart and many more are owned by Geely Group of China..


SAIC , the numero uno (number 1) car company in China who owns MG is much bigger company than Geely who owns Volvo, Lotus and Smart, how big?



So your point being?

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Mar 28 2024, 11:29 AM

Same feeling here, I will not be attracted by it at all, even at below RM100k mark.

However, I do feel that the BYD Seagull is nice on (my) eyes, if that is being offered at say below RM80k mark (after 2025) then there is a good chance I will get an EV.

Below RM80k spot is reserved for P1 and P2 bro

https://thesun.my/local_news/perodua-to-spe...2025-MG12271728

between this two brands , in malaysia still people will go for honda , because it's honda .. even though MG might be better

Protection is up to 2025 IINM

Ford or Peugeot and so many also longer history than Honda.

Already have an ICE for long distance. If cheap enough, no harm getting a small EV just for town usage, when petrol subsidy removed. Cheap to run, easy to park. Best of both world.

This post has been edited by touristking: Mar 28 2024, 02:57 PM

Don't want battery toy car. No, thank you.

Looks is subjective.

People also don't buy car based on looks alone, but they don't. Some care about boot space and HR-V small boot space of 335 L actually makes some take Corolla Cross because it has a bigger boot of 433 L

MG ZS boot space is bigger than these 2, so it's boot usability is more practical

Some also complained about Honda having long queues at the service centres with horrendous service level.these days.

UMW services has also deteriorated, truth be told, I have owned both T&H cars before, so I can speak from experience.

Now UMW has been acquired by Sime Darby, honestly I worry this the most.

So MG will be at least an alternative for both T &H, or even Mazda served by Bermaz which I can also tell you Bermaz Service is nothing to shout about.

Being an EV require less things to service, so that helps in MG's favour.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Apr 1 2024, 09:34 AM

Yet, it is the younger brand like BYD and Tesla now rocking the world.

MG wants to return as FULL EV brands as alternative these two : BYD and Tesla

So we can either live in the old world or rock and roll it in the new one

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Mar 28 2024, 05:02 PM

2025 is the start of the protection, how many long years will it be protected still, do u have that answer?

I certainly think it will remain for years to come because another one to protect is P1 a.k.a Proton.

MG is CN. CN mostly copied tech from European cars and sometimes inherited the same problems. The Europeans were too lazy to fix them.

Honda is Jap tech and very refined and reliable for years already. No stupid sensors or extra ECUs doing something in the background crap.

busy uploading spywares

as u said so. hrv @topic title irrelevant ady

It is relevant as a fine example of a BEV reaching price parity with an ICE

Happening here in our oil rich country like us. It is a big deal. Happening so soon in 2024, because there were many naysayers that say it would never happen, so then this happens, in their face.

but ppl who pick hrv. dont favor ev loh

macam apple to orange comparison. cannot 1

When they pick up H-RV back then , there were no high riding EV at RM12xk, but now there is , so an alternative has present it self.

Funny you should compare Apple to orange.

Apple iPhone and Android phone comes to the picture when you said that, they basically have similar function, just use different system

Why people buy Apple over Android or buy Android over Apple.

Much earlier people tends to think Apple iPhone is too expensive, then suddenly Android phone becomes expensive as well, so iPhone becomes very appealing, since the price becomes similar , that is called price parity .

A car whether an ICE, or BEV or hybrid, an hydrogen powered, is basically a car, same function just using different systems

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Mar 29 2024, 07:05 AM

so? we immediately sell off /cancel order hrv to buy oMG whatever it is.

thank bro now i can learn price parit. function parity. system parity

Wow, you have very drastic extremist mindsets , alternative is not absolute. it is a matter of choice.

Now there is another choice. So you can choose whatever you want to choose

https://www.wapcar.my/news/this-thai-assemb...edc-range-78506

Good, fight back from Honda...Oops only for leasing, damn.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Mar 29 2024, 07:37 PM

Bugger use union jack when it's absolutely CCP

Most youngster below 30 would have heard MG because MG was broke before brother Xi came rescue.

Honda got prestige having F1 engines championship, Aryton Senna and being Japanese Honda has been known for reliable engines.

Though China might be a manufacturing powerhouse but too many scandals and China brand in general associated with cost cutting and low quality.

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You can say the same about Tesla wearing ", "Old Glory", and "the Star-Spangled Banner" but CCP

and BMW EV IX3 are CCP too, wake up, please wake up from your slumber

is ok bro. mg got make civic car before.
kira rare but exist around msia. the ek ej pattern one.
guess what is d name.

no problems. PM BEST PRICE

Malaysian no give a fucuk about brand conscious, is just in the mindset toyota is like god car honda is like 2nd god car even got issue also no problem. But baoteng abit issue then kaopeh kaobu liao. Not to say those conti car like mercs bmw where got ppl kaopeh kaobu when got problem?

https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybr...e-fighting-back

For those who are not ready for BEV

https://www.zigwheels.my/car-news/gac-and-w...ion-in-malaysia

Below 130k...Checked
CKD.................Checked
High riding....... Checked
Cool and modern look......Checked
1.5T GDI,177PS/270Nm......Checked
Service by established long time player in Malaysia.....Checked
Dimension and heght like H-RV..... Checked (Length:4410 mm; Width: 1,850 mm; Height:1,600 mm; Wheel Base 2,650 mm)

But the bootspace is 341 L....Only marginally bigger than HR-V 335L

What is it?

GAC GS3 EMZOOM

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Apr 2 2024, 08:57 AM

Acceleration from stand still wise, EV beats ICE's

Can't beat HRV's ultraseat and ultimate practicality.

EV can beat HRV's NVH

Means HRV NVH very good?

i just bought the HRV...ok but a bit disappointed with the middle seat, have no clue why its arched so high up.

bootspace a bit less than i expected. alas bought sudah. at least boleh pergi cepat....(in jam)

When it comes to EV tech, Malaysians with a large percentage will generally still be late majority and laggards. Understandable because they prioritise used values and for EVs, there's no such track record yet. Plus there are other mindset obstacles for the new EV brands to get over. Charging stations, time for charging, how reliable are manufacturer claims on the range etc. These all require a lot of time in order for the general Malaysian mindset to change. But, if the brands do the smart things and start with more than good products, they could just manage to change mindsets.

HRV is never meant to be a 5 seater car. Even the previous-gen back can only comfortably sit 2 people and maybe a < 10-year-old kid. 3 adults is a bit too much. US/UK model, if not mistaken, is only a 4 seater, I'm not sure why they want to do this in MY maybe regulations? Also, latest gen HRV the back is even more smaller.

My Axia back can sit 3 people with no problem. 4 people also can.

If you want SUV and can comfortably sit 5 person. Go for X50/X70 or Mazda.. Toyota Cross not sure...

This post has been edited by JON97: Apr 5 2024, 03:59 PM

ya...my old axia might be a bit more comfy for 3 persons lol. but leg room is really good la give it that. bersangka baik next car alphard letsgoo

All countries will have more or less the same graph, but i am more interested to see the projected or actual time line , like below for Thailand



source: https://ycpsolidiance.com/white-paper/elect...se-thailand-sea


Also, based on this

https://www.wri.org/insights/countries-adop...ehicles-fastest

it was concluded that :

In every country, once EV sales reached 1%, they accelerated. This acceleration happened faster in some places than others, but all are following an S-curve pattern.

Are ours reaching 1% yet? it was supposed to happen by this year according to

https://technode.global/2023/02/21/fitch-so...rage%20adoption.

Anyone have the answer?

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Apr 6 2024, 12:12 AM

It looks like a piece of shit covered in blood

Here is story

Once a famous government officer met a well respected master. The officer wanted to portray his superiority over the master.

Officer : Do you know what I think of you ?

Master : No I don’t and I don’t care what you think of me as you are entitled to have your own opinion .

Then the officer proceeds saying “ I’ll tell you anyway, in my eyes you are a piece of dry shit “. The master kept his calm and didn’t bother replying. The officer got curious and asked “What do you think of me ?” The master replied saying “ I think of you as a Buddha “ .

Then the officer went to his wife bragging about the incident to which her wife replied

“ You conceited fool ! When a person has a heart like a piece of dry shit he sees everyone in that light. And the master had the heart of a Buddha and that is why in his eyes you were like a Buddha “

“What you are is what you will find and see in this world “ - Buddha

You’re exactly right bro!!! It’s a piece of shit covered in blood

According to Zeva we should hit 20K units this year; thats ard 3% of MAA's 2024 TIV projection for passenger vehicle of 666K.

Once fuel subsidies removal starts, likely we might hit 5% as early as 2025

Thanks for this info sharing.Good to know many efforts by the current government is bearing some fruits

I really love our country for this. I still remember the days of seeing buses emitting black smokes through their exhaust tailpipes and we cringed and cursed and sweared when we are walking nearby but those days are truly behind us, with many electric buses now replacing the diesel guzzling ones.

We are literally living in a more breathable time

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Apr 10 2024, 08:55 AM

I think the key barriers to EV entry are:

1. Charging time and facilities
2. Range
3. Battery replacement/technology
4. The all-time Malaysian illness of resale value

If manufacturers can somehow give some form of assurance or progress for the 1st 2, the 4th should probably be an easier hurdle to overcome. The 3rd has somewhat been addressed with provision of longer warranties and also 1-to-1 replacements for failures etc.

It is a bit of chicken and egg thing with charging time and facilities. government can aspire all it wants but it is the private sector that will take the lead

https://soyacincau.com/2024/03/13/governmen...rgers-malaysia/

So enticing the property and business owner, investor, financiers to do it with incentives and reducing redtapes in approving the installation is actually the real barriers.

Because AFAIK, many businesses are still unaware of Low Carbon Mobility Blueprint 2021-2030 whereby Companies that contribute to building EV infrastructure in Malaysia will benefit from government incentives, such as tax breaks

Range is ever growing , in itself I think it will becomes less of a barriers, e.g. range of Nissan Leaf and Mazda MX30 becomes uncompetitive in the like of MG4 and BYD , so you want more range you can decide to buy more range equipped one, market force shall determine who is the winner and who is not.


Battery replacement cost is very alike with solar panel cost, it is coming down fast, thanks to price wars too

https://cnevpost.com/2024/01/17/battery-pri...byd-costs-down/

RV? If it comes down to that, I don't know what to say, is Second hand ICE cars holding up, good? Would that be true for 3 years or 5 years from now? EV used car may not be good but they are the flashier new technology , so if it comes down to making the choice, I would be more hesitant to buy a new ICE cars than an EV

I actually like Chery, incentives brand loyalty by offering something like this

https://www.carlist.my/news/chery-to-chery-...-135319/135319/

They deserve to be applauded because AFAIk, GWM has not follow suit

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Apr 10 2024, 08:59 AM

RV required to calculate Total Ownership Cost.
With the quality of cars manufactured nowdays, it is foolish to go without an exit strategy and drive until car falls apart. Instead of illness, its for the financial literate.

On the other hand, accelerated obsolescence due to growing battery tech will render any RV estimates meaningless. For example, when 1000km range solid state battery EVs are launched, would you even consider used 500KM liquid electrolytes battery driven units?

No one knows what future truly holds, many have tried guessing and many has failed.

So all we can do is :

Take some calculated risk, and do what we think is worthwhile.

I did not say this, an astronaut did.

I think for residential buildings, landed home owners have no issues installing wall chargers but I think majority of those would-be EV buyers would live in high-rise buildings, in KL at least (just a hunch). What's needed is for these condo/apartment management companies to understand the tax breaks (do the breaks apply to them?) and provide more open air/outdoor charging pondoks in their compound. This would in a way, encourage more EV ownership.

With regard to the technology and price of replacement batteries, I think the general public basically want to see the prices coming down first before taking the plunge. Again, Malaysia is a slow partaker of new and unknown technologies, they'll rely on bigger countries to take up the tech first before accepting it here. But you're right, the price of tech will surely come down...question is when (which nobody knows) and will Malaysians really take it up by then...

Chery can do the loyalty offer because they sold some ICE cars here not too long ago. The quality was dodgy then but I think the offer is good. Though, those who bought a dodgy Chery before may kinda cringe when thinking of getting another one (which is probably worlds better than the last Chery Maxime or worse still, the old A160).

Condo has a bigger issues especially if they are still JMB and not management corporation . The latter has more authority to do things but the former not. Regrettably many are still JMB which can't even enter into any contract for beyond 12 months.

Why do you think with so many condo in KL, so far I believe none or almost next to none has installed solar PV on their rooftops? I don't want to go into it in great length but it suffice to say it is commercially not so attractive, many licensing and approval hurdles. (many different federal government and local entities are involved) , redtapes and not lucrative and not assuring enough. The same goes for EV charging stations. if anyone want to read more to understand the challenges, it is here

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/679635

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...tions-in-condos

So the solution is have more public charging stations , and at more affordable rates.

To be honest, if fuel subsidy is removed , I bet many will even be willing to pay the equivalen of current fuel cost for a full tank for a full charge at charging station. RM 2.1 vs RM3.5 ( god forbids is a big jump)

Well everyone still waits I can understand why, wait for things to be cheaper but I would think this way. Incentives cannot be given forever, fuel oil price is set to go up, I believe this government meant business. Ask any medium voltage premise owners or even those whose household spend just a little over RM300 in their TNB bills monthly, did they feel the pinch of ICPT revision , they will nod their head and tell you yes.

I believe we will see a lot of change this year because I am seeing very rapid change taking place in many aspects of how this government administration works , e.g. new EV road tax , breaking up monopolies in our countries.

Old way must go fast. It will go faster than many thought it would.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Apr 13 2024, 03:46 PM

A good comparison from NZ

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/compan...cle67972656.ece

When other Chinese brands fail to crack India, MG cracking it and sailing in it

No wonder Brand is damn important to make a difference

Within 24 hours , 2 news on charge point operators

TIME dotCom enters EV charge point operator biz after Charge N Go becomes its 51% owned subsidiary


EVlution debuts charging stations at RHB Centre KL – new CPO targets 100 chargers in 1H 2024, 2k by 2025

https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1909022/1-u...r-energy-source

Unrelated but good to see this , so when you charge your EV @one utama, part of it really comes from solar

is this the cheapest MG?

No , MG4 standard is cheaper at RM104k

https://www.carandbike.com/news/mg-motor-ap...-centre-3212860

May he improve the looks of MG and repeat his greatness when he designed Bugatti Veyron

Yes, the legendary Bugatti Veyron

One more fighter coming

https://www.wapcar.my/news/neta-x-is-next-t...t-rm-125k-79157

https://www.automachi.com/2024/05/neta-x-in-malaysia/

Both MG and Neta HQ is in Shanghai incidentally

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 4 2024, 12:55 PM

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mg/363131/mg-...-assault-market




God sent (,...them this way too), LOL.

(Down on my knee praying...)

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 12 2024, 09:51 AM

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/mg-zs-2-0...ular-small-suv/

MG ZS 2.0: Unveiling What’s Next For The Popular Small SUV
MG's ever-popular compact SUV is about to undergo a significant overhau

MG ZS EV now available for RM99,999: The cheapest electric SUV in Malaysia

26k discount, people.

https://soyacincau.com/2024/11/05/mg-zs-ev-...uv-in-malaysia/

This car is dated, even Ativa looks fresher... LOL
Unless one die die wants an EV SUV, one would have so many better choices elsewhere.

At that price , what else does not look dated and old ? Neta V? BYD Dolphin?

Dongfeng Box ? or Perodua (Myvi ) EV?

https://soyacincau.com/2024/11/08/mg4-malay...e-rebate-rm96k/

HOHOHO

Christmas has come early



Check out the comparison against others too

Nice, but year end already and many are waiting for Proton e.Mas 7 price to be confirmed. Hope they manage to push out more units.

Many did not see this coming...

https://www.nst.com.my/news-cars-bikes-truc...assembled-omoda

Thank you eMAS 7 for stirring up a buyer's heaven even they may not buy from you because of brand allergies

Yup, the impending launch of eMas 7 is definitely causing the other players to lower down their prices and make the EV market in Malaysia more competitive.

I'm all set to get an EV. My issue is that I'll be moving into a Condo as soon as its ready, by mid 2026.

Who should i approach with regards to installing a wall charger at my parking bay? Do I have to wait for the keys or can installation work begin anytime sooner?

You need to talk to the developer as they are the ones who will manage the condo until the residents take over. High chance they may not entertain. But once the resident's association is formed, you can become a committee member and propose having individual chargers and come up with a charging mechanism. But this method will take some time. In the mean time, you will need to identify alternative charging places nearby your condo.

Yes my 1st attempt with the developer did not go well. They flately refused to entertain any thought. The second method you suggest will take some time. Looks like most probably I might just get a new ICE......

Nowadays got many people use EV while living in a condo without charging facilities. It is doable but need to plan and change your daily routines a bit. A lot depends on where you live and whether there are charging facilities nearby. The place you work also may have charging facilities. In the plugshare app there are really a lot of AC charging ports in KL. But these are slow chargers, so you need to leave your car there and do other things. Depending on your daily commute you may only have to charge once a week. I know some people that park and charge overnight at the AC charger at a shoplot nearby their condo and then walk back home. Next morning only pick up the car.

All that said, if this is your only car, then you really need to think whether you can make it work or not before deciding to get an EV.

I am a retiree & this will be my 2nd car. So I dont face most issues you have mentioned. I might have to charge like once in 2 weeks only. Still dashing the idea in my head for the moment, epecially since the move to the condo is at least a year away.

This post has been edited by SKYjack: Nov 14 2024, 11:31 AM

If second car and only need to charge once in 2 weeks then its really very doable with fast chargers or mall chargers.

Yes I am still in the evaluation process stage.

If condo management is giving you a hard time, like gobiomani said, you can trust the mushrooming chargers everywhere ...and they are growing and are on track
https://www.carlist.my/news/malaysia-at-3-1...-139516/139516/

They are facing somewhat the popular solar panel issues: too fast coming demand but 2026 should see 3 folds increase in EV chargers.

Many sceptics fail to see many of these chargers are installed and are just waiting to be commissioned

Haven worked out cost factor on fast chagre on using energy vendor stations. Cost of slow charge appears to be same as Ron 95. Once charge is complete there is still chagre on leaving the car at that spot.

Fast charge cost is high, slow charge may incure holding charge. Its not as if can park the car to charge can collect it later. If a full charge takes 8 hrs, cant possibly sit and wait that long.

I dont see it cost effective using energy vendor stations.

Small range aside, the MG ZS is a good enough car for the RM99k discounted pricing? Its battery is NCM or LFP?

Been eying on MG4 for quite sometime but the standard specs discount is lesser compared to higher specs (looking at LFP model as not confident with NCM in >10 years usage).

If can wait till early next year, ES5 is a better replacement. ZS is now like clearing stock.



This post has been edited by 266K: Nov 22 2024, 09:25 AM

How to work out when we don't know what prices mid next year will be for petrol Ron 95 anyway

But then the car maybe price like Atto 3

Based on Pauline website the ZS EV uses LFP batteries. I think it's a great deal if you like the car. MG4 has many good traits but the really kosong interior is a big turn-off for me. I would have bought it as well if they give better discount like the ZS EV.

If you can stretch your budget, might make sense to wait for Proton e.Mas 7 but don't know what the actual price will be and when you can even get the car.

I’m someone whom very very very rarely travel long distance with my own car, so realistically if can get 300km per full charge it’s acceptable for me (still on 10 years old Axia, which full tank also about 350km only). My daily travel is also less than 30km, so I’m thinking just grandma charger it will be suffice.

MG4 is the more modern car over ZS (especially the interior), but the standard specs really is Kosong Pro Plus Max, they don’t even want to give a reverse camera (does it at least have auto-fold side mirrors?), LOL. Still it’s on my speculating list since months ago as it is practically the only car ticking all the boxes (RWD, sub 8s 0-100, multi link rear suspension, one pedal drive mode). I told myself I’ll pull the trigger if it’s sub 100k, and indeed now it is. The 96k is a price I’m willing to pull trigger on but when compare to ZS or even MG4 LUX, it pales in terms of values&features. Any news of them refreshing MG4 for 2025? Like bigger infotainment display or perhaps 60kWh LFP battery? That will really get me to close my eyes and straight pull the trigger.

Never really considering emas7 as I know it’ll be above 100k (my personal budget for car now is 105k MAX). Another thing is I’m not ready to drive such a big car and worrying about the tyre replacement cost yet.

This post has been edited by msacras: Nov 22 2024, 03:44 PM

I saw an MG4 demo unit on sale in Mudah a few weeks ago at about 86k IIRC. Not sure if still available. Maybe you can still consider MG4 if can get the demo unit.
Take note that there are no auto-fold mirrors in the MG4, but IMO this is not a big deal. The bigger deal for me was that there are no cabin lights at all.

Exactly why I’m still contemplating hard instead of pulling the trigger, haih…

As someone whom live at cinabukit area where narrow road + illegal roadside park are common, auto-fold mirrors actually ranked pretty high in my checklist.