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 MG ZS (yes it is an Electric Car), Honda H-RV fighter has arrived

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post Mar 28 2024, 08:36 AM, updated 2y ago

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Taller, and wider with slightly shorter wheelbase but by and large similar dimensions

Similar HP, better torque and faster century spin, and boy , never thought to see it so soon in 2024, similar price of RM12xk

The equipments and spec are very also very similar

https://www.carbase.my/car-comparison?id=Tw...f0dm,WCY4LUosrn,

Smart move, MG?!

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post Mar 28 2024, 08:40 AM

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Also win over Mazda CX3 and Mazda CX30

https://www.carbase.my/car-comparison?id=Tw...aEPZ,Rp0NL3e5g8,
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post Mar 28 2024, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(jVIPERs2 @ Mar 28 2024, 09:37 AM)
Nah, not going to impact the Honda's sale figures since we are brand conscious...might convert those from BaoTeng though...
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Funny you have mentioned Brand, do you know how old MG brand is and how old Honda is.?


One is 1920s and another 1950s, but I agree not many are actually really brand " conscious " and realize that laugh.gif
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post Mar 28 2024, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(seinganchai @ Mar 28 2024, 10:27 AM)
More China cars.........LOL
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Mini is owned by German BMW
Rolls-Royce also by German BMW
Bentley is owned by another German Volkswagen AG
Jaguar and Landrover is owned by Tata Group of India
Volvo (The Swedish), Lotus, Proton and Smart and many more are owned by Geely Group of China..


SAIC , the numero uno (number 1) car company in China who owns MG is much bigger company than Geely who owns Volvo, Lotus and Smart, how big?

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SAIC Motor, China's largest auto maker, was ranked 84th on the Fortune Global 500 list in 2023 with its operating revenue of $110.6 billion in 2022, and it is still in a leading position among Chinese automakers, and has ranked among the top 10 automotive companies in the world.


So your point being?

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post Mar 28 2024, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Mar 28 2024, 11:59 AM)
Same feeling here, I will not be attracted by it at all, even at below RM100k mark.

However, I do feel that the BYD Seagull is nice on (my) eyes, if that is being offered at say below RM80k mark (after 2025) then there is a good chance I will get an EV.
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Below RM80k spot is reserved for P1 and P2 bro

https://thesun.my/local_news/perodua-to-spe...2025-MG12271728
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post Mar 28 2024, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(hjack @ Mar 28 2024, 10:29 AM)
The design is quite old school in my eyes, not unlike the Corolla Cross.
HRV or even WRV look fresher.
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Looks is subjective.

People also don't buy car based on looks alone, but they don't. Some care about boot space and HR-V small boot space of 335 L actually makes some take Corolla Cross because it has a bigger boot of 433 L

MG ZS boot space is bigger than these 2, so it's boot usability is more practical

Some also complained about Honda having long queues at the service centres with horrendous service level.these days.

UMW services has also deteriorated, truth be told, I have owned both T&H cars before, so I can speak from experience.

Now UMW has been acquired by Sime Darby, honestly I worry this the most.

So MG will be at least an alternative for both T &H, or even Mazda served by Bermaz which I can also tell you Bermaz Service is nothing to shout about.

Being an EV require less things to service, so that helps in MG's favour.

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post Mar 28 2024, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Mar 28 2024, 02:55 PM)
Ford or Peugeot and so many also longer history than Honda.
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Yet, it is the younger brand like BYD and Tesla now rocking the world.

MG wants to return as FULL EV brands as alternative these two : BYD and Tesla

So we can either live in the old world or rock and roll it in the new one

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post Mar 28 2024, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Mar 28 2024, 02:32 PM)
Protection is up to 2025 IINM
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2025 is the start of the protection, how many long years will it be protected still, do u have that answer?

I certainly think it will remain for years to come because another one to protect is P1 a.k.a Proton.

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post Mar 28 2024, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 28 2024, 08:10 PM)
as u said so. hrv @topic title irrelevant ady
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It is relevant as a fine example of a BEV reaching price parity with an ICE

Happening here in our oil rich country like us. It is a big deal. Happening so soon in 2024, because there were many naysayers that say it would never happen, so then this happens, in their face.
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post Mar 29 2024, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 29 2024, 02:16 AM)
but ppl who pick hrv. dont favor ev loh
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 29 2024, 02:17 AM)
macam apple to orange comparison. cannot 1
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When they pick up H-RV back then , there were no high riding EV at RM12xk, but now there is , so an alternative has present it self.

Funny you should compare Apple to orange.

Apple iPhone and Android phone comes to the picture when you said that, they basically have similar function, just use different system

Why people buy Apple over Android or buy Android over Apple.

Much earlier people tends to think Apple iPhone is too expensive, then suddenly Android phone becomes expensive as well, so iPhone becomes very appealing, since the price becomes similar , that is called price parity .

A car whether an ICE, or BEV or hybrid, an hydrogen powered, is basically a car, same function just using different systems

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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 29 2024, 12:55 PM)
so? we immediately sell off /cancel order hrv to buy oMG whatever it is.

thank bro now i can learn price parit. function parity. system parity
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Wow, you have very drastic extremist mindsets , alternative is not absolute. it is a matter of choice.

Now there is another choice. So you can choose whatever you want to choose
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https://www.wapcar.my/news/this-thai-assemb...edc-range-78506

Good, fight back from Honda...Oops only for leasing, damn.

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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Mar 29 2024, 04:26 PM)
Bugger use union jack when it's absolutely CCP
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You can say the same about Tesla wearing ", "Old Glory", and "the Star-Spangled Banner" but CCP

and BMW EV IX3 are CCP too, wake up, please wake up from your slumber
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post Apr 1 2024, 08:05 AM

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https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybr...e-fighting-back

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With brands like BYD aggressively pushing into the Japanese market, Nissan and Honda have put their existing rivalry behind them to sign a memorandum of understanding that will see the giants partner up on codeveloping EV technology, including software and components.

The Nissan chief executive, Makoto Uchida, said at the announcement: "Emerging players are very aggressive and are making inroads at incredible speed. We cannot win the competition as long as we stick to conventional wisdom and a traditional approach."



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post Apr 2 2024, 08:56 AM

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For those who are not ready for BEV

https://www.zigwheels.my/car-news/gac-and-w...ion-in-malaysia

Below 130k...Checked
CKD.................Checked
High riding....... Checked
Cool and modern look......Checked
1.5T GDI,177PS/270Nm......Checked
Service by established long time player in Malaysia.....Checked
Dimension and heght like H-RV..... Checked (Length:4410 mm; Width: 1,850 mm; Height:1,600 mm; Wheel Base 2,650 mm)

But the bootspace is 341 L....Only marginally bigger than HR-V 335L

What is it?

GAC GS3 EMZOOM

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QUOTE(lowpro @ Apr 5 2024, 12:48 PM)
When it comes to EV tech, Malaysians with a large percentage will generally still be late majority and laggards. Understandable because they prioritise used values and for EVs, there's no such track record yet. Plus there are other mindset obstacles for the new EV brands to get over. Charging stations, time for charging, how reliable are manufacturer claims on the range etc. These all require a lot of time in order for the general Malaysian mindset to change. But, if the brands do the smart things and start with more than good products, they could just manage to change mindsets.

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All countries will have more or less the same graph, but i am more interested to see the projected or actual time line , like below for Thailand

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source: https://ycpsolidiance.com/white-paper/elect...se-thailand-sea


Also, based on this

https://www.wri.org/insights/countries-adop...ehicles-fastest

it was concluded that :

In every country, once EV sales reached 1%, they accelerated. This acceleration happened faster in some places than others, but all are following an S-curve pattern.

Are ours reaching 1% yet? it was supposed to happen by this year according to

https://technode.global/2023/02/21/fitch-so...rage%20adoption.

Anyone have the answer?

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QUOTE(waters @ Apr 8 2024, 12:20 PM)
It looks like a piece of shit covered in blood
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Here is story

Once a famous government officer met a well respected master. The officer wanted to portray his superiority over the master.

Officer : Do you know what I think of you ?

Master : No I don’t and I don’t care what you think of me as you are entitled to have your own opinion .

Then the officer proceeds saying “ I’ll tell you anyway, in my eyes you are a piece of dry shit “. The master kept his calm and didn’t bother replying. The officer got curious and asked “What do you think of me ?” The master replied saying “ I think of you as a Buddha “ .

Then the officer went to his wife bragging about the incident to which her wife replied

“ You conceited fool ! When a person has a heart like a piece of dry shit he sees everyone in that light. And the master had the heart of a Buddha and that is why in his eyes you were like a Buddha “

“What you are is what you will find and see in this world “ - Buddha
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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Apr 8 2024, 04:11 PM)
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According to Zeva we should hit 20K units this year; thats ard 3% of MAA's 2024 TIV projection for passenger vehicle of 666K.

Once fuel subsidies removal starts, likely we might hit 5% as early as 2025
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Thanks for this info sharing.Good to know many efforts by the current government is bearing some fruits

I really love our country for this. I still remember the days of seeing buses emitting black smokes through their exhaust tailpipes and we cringed and cursed and sweared when we are walking nearby but those days are truly behind us, with many electric buses now replacing the diesel guzzling ones.

We are literally living in a more breathable time

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QUOTE(lowpro @ Apr 9 2024, 08:27 AM)
I think the key barriers to EV entry are:

1. Charging time and facilities
2. Range
3. Battery replacement/technology
4. The all-time Malaysian illness of resale value

If manufacturers can somehow give some form of assurance or progress for the 1st 2, the 4th should probably be an easier hurdle to overcome. The 3rd has somewhat been addressed with provision of longer warranties and also 1-to-1 replacements for failures etc.
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It is a bit of chicken and egg thing with charging time and facilities. government can aspire all it wants but it is the private sector that will take the lead

https://soyacincau.com/2024/03/13/governmen...rgers-malaysia/

So enticing the property and business owner, investor, financiers to do it with incentives and reducing redtapes in approving the installation is actually the real barriers.

Because AFAIK, many businesses are still unaware of Low Carbon Mobility Blueprint 2021-2030 whereby Companies that contribute to building EV infrastructure in Malaysia will benefit from government incentives, such as tax breaks

Range is ever growing , in itself I think it will becomes less of a barriers, e.g. range of Nissan Leaf and Mazda MX30 becomes uncompetitive in the like of MG4 and BYD , so you want more range you can decide to buy more range equipped one, market force shall determine who is the winner and who is not.


Battery replacement cost is very alike with solar panel cost, it is coming down fast, thanks to price wars too

https://cnevpost.com/2024/01/17/battery-pri...byd-costs-down/

RV? If it comes down to that, I don't know what to say, is Second hand ICE cars holding up, good? Would that be true for 3 years or 5 years from now? EV used car may not be good but they are the flashier new technology , so if it comes down to making the choice, I would be more hesitant to buy a new ICE cars than an EV

I actually like Chery, incentives brand loyalty by offering something like this

https://www.carlist.my/news/chery-to-chery-...-135319/135319/

They deserve to be applauded because AFAIk, GWM has not follow suit

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