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mick84
post Feb 19 2024, 06:35 AM

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We should stop reading sejarah since it can easily pusing.

I miss cerita Hang Tuah.
SUSandylyc
post Feb 19 2024, 10:43 AM

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Later Malaysia history will write "Tanah Melayu tidak pernah dijajah"
a_dot_el
post Feb 19 2024, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Feb 18 2024, 07:00 PM)
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I thought Yap is known as the founder of modern Kuala Lumpur ?
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post Feb 19 2024, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(andylyc @ Feb 19 2024, 10:43 AM)
Later Malaysia history will write "Tanah Melayu tidak pernah dijajah"
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Read this before in some fringe socmed people.... really rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
Akmall540
post Feb 19 2024, 10:57 AM

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alah, jangan la triggered.

tak kisah pun siapa founder.

tapi jangan perlekehkan jasa tokoh yang pernah membantu membangunkan KL.

Abdullah Hukum or Raja Puasa = pengasas which is small kampung or pekan
YAL = bapa pemodenan.

kolos.
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post Feb 19 2024, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(andylyc @ Feb 19 2024, 11:43 AM)
Later Malaysia history will write "Tanah Melayu tidak pernah dijajah"
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Err already made that claim a decade ago

https://www.mstar.com.my/lokal/semasa/2012/...ajah-sepenuhnya
MishimaZ
post Feb 19 2024, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(mick84 @ Feb 19 2024, 06:35 AM)
We should stop reading sejarah since it can easily pusing.

I miss cerita Hang Tuah.
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It was said in Hokkien that Hang Tu Ah meant 'you eldest' and hang ji (aka jebat) meant 'you second'.

Story was similar to romance of 3 kingdoms when it comes to over exaggeration.
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Feb 18 2024, 08:01 PM)
Bumi ni milik siape?

They have erased him from textbook along with Hang Tuah who was found to be Chinese etc. Hahaha
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reli? textbook no moar hang tuah?
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Feb 19 2024, 12:03 PM)
It was said in Hokkien that Hang Tu Ah meant 'you eldest' and hang ji (aka jebat) meant 'you second'.

Story was similar to romance of 3 kingdoms when it comes to over exaggeration.
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If you read Hikayat Hang Tuah, it is as if Hang Tuah is some sort of immortal as he was around during the early days of Kesultanan Melaka until Melaka fell to Portuguese 😝
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Feb 19 2024, 10:57 AM)
alah, jangan la triggered.

tak kisah pun siapa founder.

tapi jangan perlekehkan jasa tokoh yang pernah membantu membangunkan KL.

Abdullah Hukum or Raja Puasa = pengasas which is small kampung or pekan
YAL = bapa pemodenan.

kolos.
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betul... tapi mungkin juga ada org lg sblm Abdullah Hukum atau Raja Puasa yg mengasaskan kampung tu... mungkin sampai ke tahun dinosaur cuma xda rekod..

yg penting knp dr dulu Yap Ah Loy tu bapa pemodenan dlm buku byk byk tahun tiba-tiba turun pangkat?

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post Feb 19 2024, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(laparwolf @ Feb 19 2024, 12:55 AM)
Penting ke siapa pengasas?

Macam debat tanah Israel Palestin lagi...
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tiada debat siapa pengasas... memang yap ah loy ni develop kl from swamps...

x kan say madey founded mehsia when he modernise msia. somewhat
bereev
post Feb 19 2024, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(smallydupe @ Feb 18 2024, 07:16 PM)
The northern states had to pay bunga emas as ufti to siam

And they wrote as tanda persahabatan in sejarah book

Tak nampak pun my friends force me to pay bunga emas

And their kesultanan melaka is also a vassal state to Tiong Kok because of ancaman siam. And kononnya melayu lingua franca dunia hahahhaha

See how this puak want to spin this hahahha
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Malaysia pay rental to Sulu so what you say then
bereev
post Feb 19 2024, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Feb 19 2024, 10:50 AM)
I thought Yap is known as the founder of modern Kuala Lumpur ?
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Claim jgn tak claim

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post Feb 19 2024, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Feb 19 2024, 11:13 AM)
Malaysia pay rental to Sulu so what you say then
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Sulu > malaysia?
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(KitZhai @ Feb 19 2024, 12:06 PM)
reli? textbook no moar hang tuah?
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I think he is still mentioned but not like in the old sejarah books where he was glorified. The problem with Hang Tuah is there were no real evidence he existed. He is only mentioned in Hikayat Hang Tuah and Sejarah Melayu. Both books are more fiction books similar to books like Romance of Three Kingdoms where the heroes glorified based on some historical events but not real history.
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 18 2024, 07:07 PM)
UPM PhD : saya suka macam Mana tulis sejarah...suka hati saya lah
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Sepupu ?
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(smallydupe @ Feb 18 2024, 07:16 PM)
The northern states had to pay bunga emas as ufti to siam

And they wrote as tanda persahabatan in sejarah book

Tak nampak pun my friends force me to pay bunga emas

And their kesultanan melaka is also a vassal state to Tiong Kok because of ancaman siam. And kononnya melayu lingua franca dunia hahahhaha

See how this puak want to spin this hahahha
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They also claim Satun was owned by Kesultanan Kedah.

In that case, Perlis should be absorbed into Kedah kan?
MishimaZ
post Feb 19 2024, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Feb 19 2024, 11:10 AM)
If you read Hikayat Hang Tuah, it is as if Hang Tuah is some sort of immortal as he was around during the early days of Kesultanan Melaka until Melaka fell to Portuguese 😝
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The kris, Taming Sari... grants godlike skills, strength, speed and stamina to the wielder; hence was the reason of Hang Tuah's godhood.

Such irony for one to just handover the weapon back and surrender and be doomed to death when one can just take on the whole army, which Hang Jebat stole and revolt for revenge, just to be tricked (long story during confrontation battle) to handover the weapon back to Hang Tuah and be killed like a street dog.

Strange on why we Chinese would want to claim somebody with borrowed powers, deceitful and worst of all killing your own 'brother' that stood up for you as their role model.
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(david5343 @ Feb 19 2024, 11:11 AM)
betul...  tapi mungkin juga ada org lg sblm Abdullah Hukum atau Raja Puasa yg mengasaskan kampung tu... mungkin sampai ke tahun dinosaur cuma xda rekod..

yg penting knp dr dulu Yap Ah Loy tu bapa pemodenan dlm buku byk byk tahun tiba-tiba turun pangkat?
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Maybe because maruah tercabar?
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(david5343 @ Feb 19 2024, 11:11 AM)
betul...  tapi mungkin juga ada org lg sblm Abdullah Hukum atau Raja Puasa yg mengasaskan kampung tu... mungkin sampai ke tahun dinosaur cuma xda rekod..

yg penting knp dr dulu Yap Ah Loy tu bapa pemodenan dlm buku byk byk tahun tiba-tiba turun pangkat?
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Sebab kuasa Cina tukar kerajaan , tukar sejarah tenangkan Melayu supaya Melayu boleh bangkit tak rasa rendah diri

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