kereta ni apa problem?
tak syiok ke?
enlight me k/
why proton x70 price drop so much?
why proton x70 price drop so much?
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Feb 13 2024, 03:17 PM, updated 2y ago
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kereta ni apa problem?
tak syiok ke? enlight me k/ |
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Feb 13 2024, 03:18 PM
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How much?
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Feb 13 2024, 03:18 PM
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Cause those own it need to buy 2 last time. So now macam all ok edi. So sell that extra unit cheap² lor.
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Feb 13 2024, 03:19 PM
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Plotong from last time until now woso same story ler… No second hand value… littlefire, nexona88, and 1 other liked this post
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Need to buy 3 now just to sustain it 👀🍟🍷🤭😂 Rusty Nail liked this post
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Feb 13 2024, 03:20 PM
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Feb 13 2024, 03:24 PM
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Tak silap ni harga jatuh untuk earlier CBU model. Macam problem gearbox ke apa haritu ada baca.
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Feb 13 2024, 03:37 PM
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cuz trash is trash
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Good for the 2nd owners la.
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Because you need to buy a 2nd one for parts.
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depend on how the market demand and supply work lo. even japanese car also cannot run from steep price drop when the competition is there. take china car market, lexus es200 in year 2021 need to add 20k rmb to get the car which sold at around 300k rmb rrp now year 2024 es200 can get 80k rmb discount. so if owner bought it at 2021 with 320k rmb, now selling at around 210k rmb and after 3 years depreciation the car value left like half only. car got no problem just that the value of the car getting back to its original place yhtan and thesoothsayer liked this post
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Only T and H car no drop much value
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Feb 13 2024, 03:58 PM
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Biasalah rebadged soulless CCP car
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Need to buy 2 so economic of scales kick in.
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X50 price ok why ar
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Feb 13 2024, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Feb 13 2024, 03:17 PM) my takepros NVH nais, engine powderful, interior machaim kereta mahal, nice electronic automatic shit so far got few minor problems that warranty covers can kaotim Cons. tall car felt like sampan floating, FC like shit, too much automatic electronic shit that sometimes small issue become big bodo issue(my case rear bonet cannot close macam jem) |
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QUOTE(kira_88 @ Feb 13 2024, 04:03 PM) my take ur the guy that kana accident is it from other tered or some fella named joe? ayam think he oso post the spare parts tered then took months to replacepros NVH nais, engine powderful, interior machaim kereta mahal, nice electronic automatic shit so far got few minor problems that warranty covers can kaotim Cons. tall car felt like sampan floating, FC like shit, too much automatic electronic shit that sometimes small issue become big bodo issue(my case rear bonet cannot close macam jem) lel |
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Geely is same level as conti, sure drop in value and price la. Perfect for second hand buyers.
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QUOTE(kira_88 @ Feb 13 2024, 04:03 PM) my take im asking because me and my wife planning on buying 1, tapi tengok 2nd hand price drop kaw kaw might as well buy used one. jimat jimat. pros NVH nais, engine powderful, interior machaim kereta mahal, nice electronic automatic shit so far got few minor problems that warranty covers can kaotim Cons. tall car felt like sampan floating, FC like shit, too much automatic electronic shit that sometimes small issue become big bodo issue(my case rear bonet cannot close macam jem) about the FC teruk sangat ke bro? |
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Feb 13 2024, 04:14 PM) im asking because me and my wife planning on buying 1, tapi tengok 2nd hand price drop kaw kaw might as well buy used one. jimat jimat. 5 years car only half of it's value gone wor. i was hoping 2 year old car half gone.. deng nei geh fai.about the FC teruk sangat ke bro? |
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too many in the market, so last time bought 3, one for spare aprt, one for just in case the two in workshop. So now all old car already. so sell cheap cheap. Many are also flood car
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3rd year CKD 7speed version OK.
1st year CBU 6AT version heard got chan to kong |
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QUOTE(kira_88 @ Feb 13 2024, 04:03 PM) my take The good thing is, China car use all component from taibao or AliExpresspros NVH nais, engine powderful, interior machaim kereta mahal, nice electronic automatic shit so far got few minor problems that warranty covers can kaotim Cons. tall car felt like sampan floating, FC like shit, too much automatic electronic shit that sometimes small issue become big bodo issue(my case rear bonet cannot close macam jem) Can directly buy spare parts or modding |
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can go for the CKD version. am driving one now. The problematic ones are the CBU unit with 6AT gearbox. The 7 DCT gearbox so far ok tarak problem. My FC: RM 85 - 90 can drive around 400km to 500km. Mine is 1.8 TGDI 2WD. It really depends on your right foot. The car is powerful enough to overtake a lot of cars in highway. If you drive like a sensible person, stable speeds, no sudden high revs, the FC is acceptable to me lah since it's a big car. Don't compare it to myvi / axia. NVH is good, the cabin is quiet, far better than vios, city, CRV, etc.. never tried the new corrola so can't comment much. Comfort wise, it's good. but handling I'd say CX-5 is much better. But x70 handling is better than the last gen CRV. the latest new CRV i tatau since just launched. Erm, the bad part, I guess is the low resell value, higher FC if you compare it to CRV and CX-5, but still acceptable to me. maybe can get the 1.5 version if you want to have better FC? Interior start to looks dated, and I read it somewhere that the new facelift of x70 is coming...? And lastly no Apple Carplay / Android Auto (you can spend RM250 to buy an adapter from Shopee but I just pakai a phone mount) mystvearn liked this post
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Feb 13 2024, 05:02 PM) I can't tell about the 6AT but the DCT is wet type and tuned not to be aggressive like VW or the luxury brands. It's more tuned / geared towards smoothness instead of rapid / aggressive gear change to optimize the acceleration speed. JoeK liked this post
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QUOTE(kira_88 @ Feb 13 2024, 04:03 PM) my take Just now got this broom X70 jig jag masuk 3rd lane. pros NVH nais, engine powderful, interior machaim kereta mahal, nice electronic automatic shit so far got few minor problems that warranty covers can kaotim Cons. tall car felt like sampan floating, FC like shit, too much automatic electronic shit that sometimes small issue become big bodo issue(my case rear bonet cannot close macam jem) The butt really look like floating and small swing like unstable. I think the butt is too high. |
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If want good rv, you buy perodua or Toyota.
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proton where got good 2nd hand value la..lol.
one of the reason why is crap service centre. u want to use old car and if got big problem want to troubleshoot some service centre is bad than outside bawah pokok workshop. yeah, based on my own experience. This post has been edited by DS51: Feb 13 2024, 05:48 PM |
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Now got spare parts. So those who bought 2 units have to sell one of it
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Feb 13 2024, 06:26 PM
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The joke buy 2 for current proton is soo lame. Can we stop that already? No one really buy 2 units because of sparepart unreliability. Same as Banyak Masuk Workshop joke too, its not a joke anymore coz its too lame to be laugh about.
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Ts, i think you need to check the spec...the new x70 use different engine and thus it is cheaper
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QUOTE(agigas07 @ Feb 13 2024, 06:26 PM) The joke buy 2 for current proton is soo lame. Can we stop that already? No one really buy 2 units because of sparepart unreliability. Same as Banyak Masuk Workshop joke too, its not a joke anymore coz its too lame to be laugh about. Why butt hurt? Proton sales ka? I owner also I can criticise my X70 got few problems masuk workshop ma. And it's also true that spare parts were hard to get. To this day you buy parts like mounting outside is impossible to get Proton made parts, can only import from China Geely parts. |
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Feb 13 2024, 03:42 PM) depend on how the market demand and supply work lo. even japanese car also cannot run from steep price drop when the competition is there. People talking about malaysia you bring china in for fuck? Shut the fuck uptake china car market, lexus es200 in year 2021 need to add 20k rmb to get the car which sold at around 300k rmb rrp now year 2024 es200 can get 80k rmb discount. so if owner bought it at 2021 with 320k rmb, now selling at around 210k rmb and after 3 years depreciation the car value left like half only. car got no problem just that the value of the car getting back to its original place |
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QUOTE(tolongking @ Feb 13 2024, 07:24 PM) yerrrr... like that also triggered. u own lexus is it ?the person above you talk about china u might as him to stfu as well. This post has been edited by darkterror15: Feb 13 2024, 07:27 PM |
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ermmm i think the real benchmark of fast drop in rv =
2 - 3 years old = Drop 50% and more.... this is the industry standard no? |
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already buy 1. no one want to buy 2 again.
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If u want best value get a car that is 2 to 3 year old
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Dna Volvo konon... Kereta conti... Mana ada value
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Feb 13 2024, 04:14 PM) im asking because me and my wife planning on buying 1, tapi tengok 2nd hand price drop kaw kaw might as well buy used one. jimat jimat. Not say very bad la but if comparing others within same class its quite bad. im getting around 400km+- for rm80-90. if on hiway usually worse since I tend to tekan more. mine is ckd 1.8. Filling up petrol also a bit weird la for me, If I fill up from empty it will start tendang from rm70. then u need to press slow2 while adjusting the nozzle and you can get another rm30+-. my other cars usually u can get around rm5-10 only after the frist click. about the FC teruk sangat ke bro? |
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QUOTE(kira_88 @ Feb 13 2024, 08:57 PM) Not say very bad la but if comparing others within same class its quite bad. im getting around 400km+- for rm80-90. if on hiway usually worse since I tend to tekan more. mine is ckd 1.8. Filling up petrol also a bit weird la for me, If I fill up from empty it will start tendang from rm70. then u need to press slow2 while adjusting the nozzle and you can get another rm30+-. my other cars usually u can get around rm5-10 only after the frist click. Mine RM100 full tank go 400km |
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 13 2024, 07:22 PM) Why butt hurt? Proton sales ka? I owner also I can criticise my X70 got few problems masuk workshop ma. And it's also true that spare parts were hard to get. To this day you buy parts like mounting outside is impossible to get Proton made parts, can only import from China Geely parts. I agree la on the criticism. But the buy two joke is too lame to be repeat daily. I also not use Proton. Long time ago la use Gen2 and Inspira. |
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It is a china made car. What do u expect in used car value from china ?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 13 2024, 09:31 PM) hence you always get tow truck experiences. ktek liked this post
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Feb 14 2024, 10:02 AM) full tank berapa bro? and can go berapa km? i dont like reading google spec. want to know real user experience. I'd say if u really tekan and fill up to the brim like 100+- once its on the final bar. I have never tried draining it untill dry really dry. just single bar and I find petronas edi. spec wise on paper it has 60l tank.best I get is 450++km on a good day with eco drive on and drive gentle like pandan. For comparison my friend tiguan can get like 600++ km anytime. He say la I dunno I poor can only afford conti wanabe C̶C̶P̶ malaysia car only. But price wise it's a blardy big difference. |
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QUOTE(kira_88 @ Feb 14 2024, 10:11 AM) I'd say if u really tekan and fill up to the brim like 100+- once its on the final bar. I have never tried draining it untill dry really dry. just single bar and I find petronas edi. spec wise on paper it has 60l tank. tq bro!best I get is 450++km on a good day with eco drive on and drive gentle like pandan. For comparison my friend tiguan can get like 600++ km anytime. He say la I dunno I poor can only afford conti wanabe C̶C̶P̶ malaysia car only. But price wise it's a blardy big difference. |
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QUOTE(kira_88 @ Feb 14 2024, 10:11 AM) I'd say if u really tekan and fill up to the brim like 100+- once its on the final bar. I have never tried draining it untill dry really dry. just single bar and I find petronas edi. spec wise on paper it has 60l tank. I can concur, drove my friends Tiguan before on long trip. 6-700km same full tank RM100. Man X70 FC is damn lousy.best I get is 450++km on a good day with eco drive on and drive gentle like pandan. For comparison my friend tiguan can get like 600++ km anytime. He say la I dunno I poor can only afford conti wanabe C̶C̶P̶ malaysia car only. But price wise it's a blardy big difference. il0ve51 liked this post
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The x70 CKD owned since launch drive so far no issue pun , been using for years
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QUOTE(kopikaukau @ Feb 13 2024, 04:24 PM) Actual 1st batch 1.8L turbo is using 6AT gearbox, that gearbox is far more stable then the DSG/DCT gearbox. The most popular X70 model is the 1.8T AWD in used market, due to limited units sold coz New X70 AWD only got 1.5T. This post has been edited by littlefire: Feb 14 2024, 11:05 AM |
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 14 2024, 11:04 AM) Actual 1st batch 1.8L turbo is using 6AT gearbox, that gearbox is far more stable then the DSG/DCT gearbox. haha you must be kidding. So far have not seen any GB failure with DCT GB, all coming from 1st batch CBUThe most popular X70 model is the 1.8T AWD in used market, due to limited units sold coz New X70 AWD only got 1.5T. |
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Feb 14 2024, 12:31 PM) haha you must be kidding. So far have not seen any GB failure with DCT GB, all coming from 1st batch CBU The 1st batch some owners fail gearbox is due to no change of gearbox AT oil. As previously the warranty for the 6AT gearbox if not mistaken is 3 years only, so either SC or owner think that the gearbox is lifetime and neglect it. If you ask mechanic outside, the 6AT is way more stable/smooth and less jiggering compare to the DCT gear change.This post has been edited by littlefire: Feb 14 2024, 03:03 PM |
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after reading all of this decided to submit loan alza H variant. tq all tak jadi amik x70 dengar banyak problem, waiting period 8months to 1 year for alza. hnghhhhhhhhhh MegaCanonF liked this post
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Based on my experience using grab
P2 cars less comfortable than P1 Even new bezza..can hear the mounting & drive shaft sounds Although P2 may have better fuel efficiency |
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How many times have to tell...its China quality
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Feb 13 2024, 03:17 PM) Agenda Geely nak ambil Proton secara halus dan terhormat sonotme liked this post
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 14 2024, 03:02 PM) The 1st batch some owners fail gearbox is due to no change of gearbox AT oil. As previously the warranty for the 6AT gearbox if not mistaken is 3 years only, so either SC or owner think that the gearbox is lifetime and neglect it. If you ask mechanic outside, the 6AT is way more stable/smooth and less jiggering compare to the DCT gear change. Dumbest defense of Geely/Proton I've ever heard. No change gearbox oil lol, you think we owners stupid or SC mechs stupid? Lol really got people stoop so low to plotek plotek |
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 15 2024, 02:12 AM) Dumbest defense of Geely/Proton I've ever heard. No change gearbox oil lol, you think we owners stupid or SC mechs stupid? Lol really got people stoop so low to plotek plotek Well, you can go outside and ask those gearbox repairer/expert which gearbox is more cheaper to fix, less issue & longer lasting if maintain well. I bluff you got what to get from Proton? Since they are now not selling 6AT anymore what they want to pay me? This post has been edited by littlefire: Feb 15 2024, 09:00 AM |
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 15 2024, 08:57 AM) Well, you can go outside and ask those gearbox repairer/expert which gearbox is more cheaper to fix, less issue & longer lasting if maintain well. I bluff you got what to get from Proton? Since they are now not selling 6AT anymore what they want to pay me? Are you talking in context of this specific x70 6at, or overall transmission types as a general ?I can understand if it's the latter, but then it might not hold true for x70 case if this specific 6at is deemed problematic to begin with on high failure rate. |
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Workshop I frequented always have x70 taking up spaces.
One was leaking oil into coolants. One was replacing fan motor, need disassembly whole front, and you guess it, taking up shop space waiting for spare part. |
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 14 2024, 03:02 PM) The 1st batch some owners fail gearbox is due to no change of gearbox AT oil. As previously the warranty for the 6AT gearbox if not mistaken is 3 years only, so either SC or owner think that the gearbox is lifetime and neglect it. If you ask mechanic outside, the 6AT is way more stable/smooth and less jiggering compare to the DCT gear change. you are referring to reliability or smooth.If smooth then auto gearbox will always be smoother especially low speed. If you are saying X70 Auto gearbox is more reliable then the DCT gearbox then it is not true because they are more failures for x70 auto gearbox . |
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Feb 15 2024, 12:08 PM) Are you talking in context of this specific x70 6at, or overall transmission types as a general ? Yes, the high failure rate previously is due to a lot of SC/owner did not change the AT gear oil on time coz of the 3 years warranty (Usually SC will not touch the gear oil). This is an open secret that most mechanic also knew about it. Most of the early batch when come out service, my mechanic 1st thing will help check is the AT gear oil. If you ask those gearbox repairer, they will recommend to change the AT fluid around 20k~40k or every 2 years (If always lanjak a lot recommend yearly 20k change).I can understand if it's the latter, but then it might not hold true for x70 case if this specific 6at is deemed problematic to begin with on high failure rate. |
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 15 2024, 08:57 AM) Well, you can go outside and ask those gearbox repairer/expert which gearbox is more cheaper to fix, less issue & longer lasting if maintain well. I bluff you got what to get from Proton? Since they are now not selling 6AT anymore what they want to pay me? Not all GB built the same, the 6AT from X70 is problematic, meanwhile the DCT since launched till now did not hear any complaints from most of the group I follow.Previously there is even a GB repairman live video taking the DCT from X50 apart and he is confident that this is DCT is very robust, also look at all the reviews critic how slow the gear shift which improve the longetivity |
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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Feb 15 2024, 12:28 PM) Not all GB built the same, the 6AT from X70 is problematic, meanwhile the DCT since launched till now did not hear any complaints from most of the group I follow. DCT robust only in it's gear as it is using similar gear design like manual but with dual clutch design. The main problem will be the mechatronic which will control the gear/clutch change, this mechatronic is way more expensive compare to like normal AT bodyvalve system when things starting to fail.Previously there is even a GB repairman live video taking the DCT from X50 apart and he is confident that this is DCT is very robust, also look at all the reviews critic how slow the gear shift which improve the longetivity This post has been edited by littlefire: Feb 15 2024, 11:50 AM MegaCanonF and pattleongkam liked this post
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 15 2024, 11:50 AM) DCT robust only in it's gear as it is using similar gear design like manual but with dual clutch design. The main problem will be the mechatronic which will control the gear/clutch change, this mechatronic is way more expensive compare to like normal AT bodyvalve system when things starting to fail. The one used in the Geely is very Mechanical compared to other DCT that's why the gearbox guy say very reliable |
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 15 2024, 11:50 AM) DCT robust only in it's gear as it is using similar gear design like manual but with dual clutch design. The main problem will be the mechatronic which will control the gear/clutch change, this mechatronic is way more expensive compare to like normal AT bodyvalve system when things starting to fail. Found the link, you may go ahead and watch, is a long ass video where he talk about X70 6AT GB and X50 7DCT gb around 30mins markHe do have other video where he critic the CVT from Proton as well. |
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 15 2024, 11:23 AM) Yes, the high failure rate previously is due to a lot of SC/owner did not change the AT gear oil on time coz of the 3 years warranty (Usually SC will not touch the gear oil). This is an open secret that most mechanic also knew about it. Most of the early batch when come out service, my mechanic 1st thing will help check is the AT gear oil. If you ask those gearbox repairer, they will recommend to change the AT fluid around 20k~40k or every 2 years (If always lanjak a lot recommend yearly 20k change). This argument is flawed and doesn't makes sense at all. Based on your reasoning, the same can be applied to every other cars with AT gearbox. Are you saying all AT gearbox of any car models have the same issue on high failure rate due to SC / driver negligence ? Or only x70 driver / all SC purposely don't want service 6at of x70 model only, but other cars with AT gearbox no high failure rate ? This post has been edited by phunkydude: Feb 15 2024, 12:33 PM |
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Feb 15 2024, 12:33 PM) This argument is flawed and doesn't makes sense at all. Based on your reasoning, the same can be applied to every other cars with AT gearbox. IKR like......seriously dumb AF.Are you saying all AT gearbox of any car models have the same issue on high failure rate due to SC / driver negligence ? Or only x70 driver / all SC purposely don't want service 6at of x70 model only, but other cars with AT gearbox no high failure rate ? Basically saying we owners and our Proton SCs purposely not servicing ATF for some stupid reason. |
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2nd x70 no need register, for spare parts only.
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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Feb 15 2024, 12:20 PM) Found the link, you may go ahead and watch, is a long ass video where he talk about X70 6AT GB and X50 7DCT gb around 30mins mark i talked to few SA bout x70, many of them just ask me to buy new alza instead. seriously. for better peace of mindHe do have other video where he critic the CVT from Proton as well. |
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Feb 15 2024, 01:04 PM) i talked to few SA bout x70, many of them just ask me to buy new alza instead. seriously. for better peace of mind Maybe because Alza they get more comission? I heard Proton have been very stingy in term of comission.+ if ask u buy Alza, they don't need to waste so many saliva to convince you and you will automatically accept when there is problem as "rare" case. But when it is Proton u will cry mader cry fader regret this and that. Trust me, a lot of these is in your mind sometimes. But anyway, do u need that extra seats from Alza? chilskater liked this post
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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Feb 15 2024, 02:05 PM) Maybe because Alza they get more comission? I heard Proton have been very stingy in term of comission. lol. my SA friend didnt even get commission bro, i go to perodua at my place i have families. i am unker level now btw, 7 seater senang+ if ask u buy Alza, they don't need to waste so many saliva to convince you and you will automatically accept when there is problem as "rare" case. But when it is Proton u will cry mader cry fader regret this and that. Trust me, a lot of these is in your mind sometimes. But anyway, do u need that extra seats from Alza? |
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Feb 15 2024, 03:43 PM) lol. my SA friend didnt even get commission bro, i go to perodua at my place i have families. i am unker level now btw, 7 seater senang SA words not credible 1 lah, they just sell car only and seeing you worry so much about Proton scare you come back haunt them is easier to just ask you go for other brand, or else later losing even friends.With sizable family u definitely need the extra seats, no brainer just go for Alza x90 personally I felt too expensive |
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 15 2024, 02:03 PM) IKR like......seriously dumb AF. This is SC/manufacturer at fault for sure coz the warranty limit say it all. Basically saying we owners and our Proton SCs purposely not servicing ATF for some stupid reason. Early batch 3 years warranty already knew how far they are going to give you the product lifespan if without oil change. Thus why outside mechanic recommend to change it early. |
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Means what ???
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Feb 16 2024, 09:11 AM) This is SC/manufacturer at fault for sure coz the warranty limit say it all. https://pt.org/2021/12/28/proton-x70-cbu-si...imited-mileage/Early batch 3 years warranty already knew how far they are going to give you the product lifespan if without oil change. Thus why outside mechanic recommend to change it early. If you don't know please don't comment like damn smart like that la. First thing, Proton already extend to 5 years warranty. Second thing, all servicing is done according to service manual, like every other single car in the world. We owners not dumb. CBU 6 speed failure is because Geely design badly fullstop. You think SC intentionally don't service for what, Proton is the one that have to pay for new GB, not to mention suffer the reputation loss. Just diam diam learn if you don't know, don't simply comment like must be correct like that. |
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Feb 13 2024, 03:42 PM) depend on how the market demand and supply work lo. even japanese car also cannot run from steep price drop when the competition is there. Perodua resale still uptake china car market, lexus es200 in year 2021 need to add 20k rmb to get the car which sold at around 300k rmb rrp now year 2024 es200 can get 80k rmb discount. so if owner bought it at 2021 with 320k rmb, now selling at around 210k rmb and after 3 years depreciation the car value left like half only. car got no problem just that the value of the car getting back to its original place |
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