nowadays psp can support many kind of video.....and the UMD video is still the best quality for portable devices....Can ipodtouch/iphone beat it in future????

hehe..y nt??

which do u tink is da more popular device??

the psp or apple (i) products?

i would prefer PSP anytime but thats just me...

Agreed. I used my PSP mainly for watching movies. Now I need a 8Gb MS card to store all the good movies. Damn useful when traveling on long flights.

i think its depend on the user more....psp bring the highest video quality but apple mov file also not bad....psp more heavy but ipod more convinience...

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Added on October 28, 2007, 9:28 pmnow of coz apple.....

This post has been edited by kevinwcw: Oct 28 2007, 09:28 PM

For me,I used my psp for gaming,and ipod touch for movies/music.

ipod touch can fit in the pocket..that means movie/music anywhere,
psp bring out when want to play games only..

i think psp games>movies

I have no PSP but i watched using my friend's. PSP is fine too with movies. But still, i prefer iPod for watching movie since its mainly for movies and music.

for this is how it goes...

if u like play game of course psp is the 1 to go for

but if u interested in song movies then u can compare apple/psp cause both have that feature...
if u think u may want to play game..psp lo..

but if ur a no no gamer..then apple mayb better cause smaller and lighter
and the new iphone/itouch has touch technology...hehe

head ache.??.hahahahaha


This post has been edited by mingdynasty: Oct 28 2007, 11:21 PM

its really headche if someone is enjoying watching video.....becoz UMD video is still the best tat i had seems before....

video quality, ipod touch or iphone better (not talking about screen size)

psp screen ratio doesnt mean for movie.

psp also read mpeg4/pmp only (as my original firmware)

watching video, still ipod touch.

to me apple is more of a classy product....but based on the sound quality apple owns...video im not sure..i havent seen videos in psp

to be frank
psp audio out not so good if it is covert movie to memory stick duo

really ? but the first concept of psp would be gaming so understandable

hmm for me it's the psp ..... bigger screen and nice for movies (wide screen), music quality is good if not better than ipod plus you get games, homebrew, wifi, surfing and pix.

PSP je.... it has more than what the iTouch offer.. the only disadvantage is, you have to pay extra for more memory... other than that its all gd

I'm a ex PSP owner & current iPhone owner.
I would go for iPhone for some personal reason:
- PSP is demm heavy, my hand get tired if I have to carry it 2hr in a bus/train while watching it.
- PSP doesn't feel nice to hold on my hand.
- To sync the video into PSP is troublesome (during my time), have to install this and that, convert this and that, take out the memory card and put it back. Then I have to remember which movie I watched, watch until where.
With iPhone I just use iTunes. And iTunes manage what I want, clean. iPhone remember where I last stop the movie (very important).
- Quality wise I can comment much, as this solely depends how you do video conversion. And the UMD is ofcourse good. But I don't use magnifying glass to watch a 3.5" video.

What I like for PSP is the animated clip you get when you're picking the video.
If you don't remember what's the title, at lease you can have a preview of what is it.

In my opinion, well... just my opinion lar... , for a modern video format to excel the other in a comparison like this we need to consider the following:

1. User acceptance
2. Portability & flexibility of format
3. Proprietary or open system
4. The actual video performance
5. Compression, size to quality ratio

I mean, no use if a format is so good and versatile but it does not have a place in the marketplace. No use if a format is so great but you can't buy it at the common place. If format A want to compete with UMD, it simply do not need to because there's nothing to compete.

UMD video format is a proprietary format developed by Sony for the PSP. Nobody can buy this media off the shelves or get supply of this media and then publish it with your own content. No publisher can publish in this format without giving a royalty to Sony.

Next UMD can only be played on Sony PSP. Unless I'm mistaken, there's no other device using UMD at the moment. Of course the video performance is really promising for a form factor like a PSP. But how many of our favorite shows, favorite podcasts, videoblogs, dramas, and movies are published in UMD? I'm talking contents from various continents of the world. Yes, we do have good movies from the North America for UMD, but I don't think we have the same for Asian entertainment.

Then can you transcode UMD to another format and vice versa? This is the portability side of the format. Can you convert UMD to a MPEG4/H.264 or another format to UMD for viewing on PSP? You can't unless you use the memory card slot but that isn't UMD anymore.

I think the same goes to Ipod Video/Touch/iPhone. We need to transcode a content to something acceptable to these Ipods. Ipod cannot and PSP cannot so what's my point? In this case, we look at how many people are using these devices and how popular they are in the market place. In this case, we look at user acceptance. Note that I'm talking about DEVICE to play them. I believe each user of each camp would have an answer in this own mind by now.

Now we move to format. UMD format is a format glued to the disc. Meaning to say, UMD, the format, its compression algorithms and the physical information holder and the disc is ONE. UMD comes in a disc. I'm discounting those brave souls hacking the format from the disc and deliver them from memory cards. We're talking from a legal perspective.

MPEG4/H.264 is one versatile format. It do not have a fixed physical information holder. It doesn't necessary comes in a disc, you can download off the net, and you can obtain from different sources. All the popular formats like Windows Media Video 9/10/11 (WMV) , Real Media Variable Bitrate (RMVB), etc all use some form of processing from the MGEG4/H.264 process flow. You can transcode any format (with a proper software transcoder of course) to any format you want. MPEG4 is almost free for use and not tied down to a corporation. Those China made portable media players (PMP) can accept MPEG44 easily. iPod Video/Touch/iPhone uses a proper transcoded MPEG4 to play too. Most handphones record videos in MPEG4, 3GPP, etc.

Video quality hands down - UMD is great. But there's no point in using this format where I can't find any contents for it. There's no point in admiring this great quality by sticking to the few discs I ever own. I can't like watch the movie over and over again just to admire it.

Then again a lot of online music stores offer video at MPEG4. You can easily download movies in MPEG4 or RMVB or DIVX (in legal perspectives, please). The real show is that, I can transcode any of these formats to another for my whatever PMP I have. I can't do the same for UMD.

So I rest my case. Let the lashings begin -->

now i compare it to UMD video...(better)

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Added on October 30, 2007, 7:21 pmdamm heavy is true

This post has been edited by kevinwcw: Oct 30 2007, 07:21 PM

psp for gaming r..movies..erm..

but for movies n all apple(i) products??

but to watch movies on apple(i)..video files need to be converted rite??

i m sure cannot compare which plays better musch though..rite??

the apple(i) products are so much more portable too...

Now PSP comes in Slim version. So not so heavy. But still, iPod is abit lighter.

ya i know tat.....hmm now i think many like palm device means the entertainment device tat can fit in one palm

I think you mean a PMP, short for personal media player. A device that can display pictures and playback music and video all on one device. EPSON, Nokia, NEC, Creative, Microsoft, Apple and etc all want a piece from this market.

Personally, I think adding internet connectivity via WiFi just sweetens the whole deal. Now we only need the ability to selectively send and receive files for icing the cake. PSP has all of these features but its just a little big even with the new version. The down point is it lacks a touchscreen interface which is important when you want to do some input.

The iPod Touch is small and very thin. Basically it looks like a piece of mini tablet where you can jot on it. Reading from such a device is no doubt very challenging because of the small screen (even at 3.5"). But Apple was able to get around it by utilizing what it calls the pinch to zoom or double tap to zoom on the particular area that you want. And it does so smartly... by zooming to the area just nice for reading without scrolling horizontally. This is where a device with touchscreen excels at.

I think Nokia's N800 and the new N810 does that too which is superb. Now the only show stopper is support for Flash and Javas for the iPod Touch. An area the Nokia has always been good at, especially with Symbian S60 3rd Edition FP1.

UPDATE: To correct spelling.

This post has been edited by davidmak: Oct 31 2007, 01:26 PM

LOL....ur promoting nokia o?

Did I? You must be confused. My post concerns a lot about iPod Touch rather than Nokia's. My postings also put a reasonable perspective on other alternatives. If I am 'selling' Nokia. You must be selling Sony PSP. So where do you want to go from here? Kekekeke!

Practice what you preach. Peace...

talk bout portability
as now PSP got mroe accesories
swaping batts MStick is very convenient for PSP aint it?


for batts life
which have longer life?
movie game n music
3 main entertainment
which beats the best
i also kinda confusing to get a PSP lite or an Iphone...

This post has been edited by CooLeRthings: Oct 31 2007, 10:42 PM

buy both...... most ppl will confuse for tis two device becoz mainly they got they own special....
like ipod touch bring the latest technologies tat we havent play before and psp now many games too.....like final fantasy crysis core(only psp) and more.....if you like to play games the psp is surely is the best choice but if you like to having something slim and easy for ur entertainment for example online and listen music of coz ipod....

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Added on November 1, 2007, 12:51 amcompare the similary between tis two devices

Wifi website exploring

Ipod touch bring more convinience becoz easy to use and got the horizontal technologies

Psp got wifi for web explore also and it got smart fit funtion but the quality not very good all the thing is like squezz together and it is using joystick fot the pointing devices...

MUsic

Ipod touch still leading for tis becoz ipod got coverflow and also it is using mac os x means when listen to songs can also do other things like exploring website or check mail...

Psp only can run one application and the music player is very simple and not very user friendly

Video

This one a bit challange.....
Ipod got wide screen psp also got....

Psp got umd Video and also watching movie with memory stick now got PMP the quality nice as RMVB

Ipod hmm......still not very clear and good for image quality......

This post has been edited by kevinwcw: Nov 1 2007, 12:51 AM

Hey,

It really depends on what you want on a device. Both the PSP Lite and the iPhone are convergence devices. They pack almost everything on one single device. Try the below:

PSP Lite

Games + Music + Video + Picture viewing + Internet Device + Homebrew software (meaning more possibilities).
*If I missed out anything, PSP expert please fill in*

In my opinion, a PSP Lite is an ideal device IF I want to play reasonably sophisticated and advanced games, video and picture viewing on the go. The main purpose of PSP is to play games on the go and it is very successful in this. Of course it can be a portable multimedia device also. Music is a rather half hanging feature. I mean you could hide the whole thing on your bag and listen to the tunes while you commute around the city. But its rather too big for a music device. I understand that its a very good internet device too but if there's no reasonable way to input data into it, its only a surf and forget feature. PSP fanboys might disagree so I'll let them fill in here too.

Homebrew software is a dream. Can't agree more. The PSP wasn't designed to be used like that but the tweakers are magic people. With homebrew software, you can do a lot more than just the features I highlighted. BUT. To run these applications or go around the legal perspective of the device, you'll need a certain version of firmware, a certain version of hardware, a certain version of emulation software, and certain way or procedure of loading stuffs to run them. There's no clear cut way to execute them. Things might improve now, but I don't see homebrew softwares open to new users out there. It'll freak them out.


iPhone

Mobile phone (But missing certain important GSM applications and features) + Music + Video + Picture viewing + Internet browsing + Dedicated mobile Youtube + WiFi Music Store + 3rd party applications (currently on achievable via jailbreaking)

The iPhone is a rather different kind of convergence device. Its main design objectives are to be a phone (not a complete phone and convenient one though). The rest just complements it. Why? Because we already have mobile phones that can play games, music, video, picture viewing and internet browsing. This is nothing new. But what iPhone does different from other feature-similar-phones are THE WAY YOU USE IT.

Its small enough to be a phone, sleek and slim profile enough to be a PMP (music, video, picture viewing), great as an internet device with great input features via touchscreen, a music store for purchasing music (not application in Malaysia though), and a host of 3rd party applications. Right now the applications aren't that big, but I forsee when Apple eventually decides to open up its OSX Lite, it'll be something like PSP homebrew. Of course minus the hassle to execute one.


So it really boils down to what you really need. If you have a nice phone, iPhone is not a necessity. If you like its touchscreen interface and the UI of all its applications, then maybe. If you like a small enough PMP device, then definitely yes. Accessories wise, you know that 3rd party Apple accessories are a lucrative business right? Hehe... Right now, its zero, but when Apple releases iPhone in Malaysia, the number can only increase.

If you want to play games, I think PSP is an ideal device. Accessories are abundant with a lot of choices in price as well.

In the end, you CAN ONLY be HAPPY. Because you've decided to get yourself an exciting device, either the PSP Lite or the iPhone.

nice article...

hard to choose
for PSP i like all those portable thing
can swap everything
while iphone kinda limit
is like when portable, batt's life is kinda important
psp u can get extra batts
while iphone loose on this
the reason i like iphone is the touch screen n UI, the whole thing look classy n cool
PSP got a favourite game i wanna try... Crisis Core n if i wanna get, i plan to get tat 77777 units bundle set
now dilemma on choosing which device to follow me ...

i juz finish crysis core lo......nice game quality

ipod products are the best r..keke

hmm..reagarding batt life..

in a day hw long can u play v dis two items?? given both items to two ppl..both of dem test it for the same duration of time..games, music, movies..which will give in first..

but i wud say the main issues is gaming..the apple(i) products cannot compete on that level..

if 1 is into gaming n all..music and movies are a side dishes..then the psp..

if 1 on the other hand is into movies and music..sure r da apple(i) products..

if u can accept the quality of the movies n music played by the psp... gaming on dat gadget is a side dish..

well..at the end of the day...user preference??

Why do you come on Apple's section for a decision like this? Take this to the console section so everybody can vote on it.

Between you and me, PSP all the way.

get both, like me....psp for gaming, video oso can....ipod, i got iphone...phone, plus ipod....wan bigger storage, got video 30gb stand by for me...tat is more than enof for me....

haha get both.....

for me i seldom play games so i will choose ipod..

Because i can only accept quality....(psp games still very poor quality) compare to computer LOL

why most of ppl keep thinking psp loose to iphone in vidz quality?...if movies on the go is the concern these two(iphone n psp) share the same quality output eventhough psp can hold vidz up to 720*480...but let get back what r the 1st purpose this gadget to be built of...psp for mobile gaming n iphone music device with phone....so there is already a clear winner which one suit them the best....

for me the best of portable all around device should have...
*good mp3 n video management(in terms of software and user friendly UI)
*can handle various of format
*able to play media within +/- 10 hours
*lot of accessories range
*replaceable battery
other than that will be a bonus for the device...
(one thing i keep sigh when using apple product using windows was the itunes software eat a lot of RAM resources...not a good sofftware for a so-so pc like me )

so ur supporting ipod....

not really lah...seem that psp losing their words in this thread...so why not 'neutalize' it back... (eventhough i have both...)

me too...psp i plan to sell it but finally i give it to my small brother....

psp more to gaming la..

psp is 'excellent' for gaming and videos...
while
ipod touch/iphone is good for music and web browsing...

btw, both are 'excellent ' products...

agree..

i am going to buy ipod touch, anyone can tell me the adv and disadv?

depend on yourself man...

for me disadvantage is all is touch screen first will feel uncomfortable and its no a cheap stuff scare been stolen

advantage watch drama when on the ways to work using LRT , use flick.im(instant message) at starbuck or other wifi area, listen music and play mini games...

IMO , i more like sony product , even walkman vs ipod , the c/p ratio , sony walkman is better .

ipod touch/iphone is more to listen to music and the position of its earphone is better than psp.

For psp it is more to gaming. They are from 2 different world.

our topic is about video....

Back to the topic sony always bring the latest video technologies for example UMD video the best portable video, Blueray Technology and Full HD 1080....

For apple first product for entertainment devices IPOD...mp3 player not video player....

Video
ipod vs psp

PSP win

exactly, UMD Video pawns ipod gaogao...

but isnt itouch is WAY much expensive compare to psp?

yup...becoz the wifi service and the memory (psp wifi not suitable for web browsing)

if u wanna speak about history
apple have alot as well, H.264 codec from apple.. benifit everyone to enjoy great HD quality video with small file size.
apple made the first public computers....

sony brings alot new technologyto this world, thanks from them
but, they have very very bad managament inside. How many CEO they been change back from this 7 years?
pity sony is losing money everyday.......

talking about sound quality for mp3 world, no doubt we can know sony have better 1, but they still losing on marketing...
lack of accesories in market.

still, psp screen ratio is not the best for video.

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Added on November 12, 2007, 10:32 pmok, then ask yrself
how many UMD video will u own?
i think we have to speak in your living world,
YEs there is very good quality UMD, but if u never own it, what for we gonna discuss things that no gonna come into your life?

wil u willing to spend so much just for the mobile video?
we hardly see UMD video in malaysia market

dont forget, this kind of UMD also got region issue

if u buy hacked version psp like psp-1001,psp-2001
u have to stick with US region movie

if u have PSP-1000,2001, then stick with japanese region

PSP-1006,2006, Asia pacific region..

This post has been edited by cRazYee: Nov 12 2007, 10:40 PM

everyone have their own opinion PEACE

i love the idea of playing videos on an iPod Touch.
its more light and comfort to hold than a PSP.
not to mention the power of web-surfing compared to PSP.
moreover, having so many UMD movies is not economically efficient for me.

we are discussing the video quality not how many $$ u gonna spend on purchasing video/software(eg: UMD). This is up to personal preferences...
sound like your statement limit to malaysia (btw, im not in malaysia now, and i can get many umd from most of the gaming store without any problem).

die heart apple fan

Once again PSP for its cheap price and all-in-one product!!

yes, i'm speaking about using PSP and ipod touch in malaysia
I'm no very into ipod touch, but i have to agree that watch movie by ipod touch is much more better compare to psp
I have my own PSP, i used to play ipod touch when i'm working, so i do feel which 1 is better for video.

PSP's screen pixel is big, can see the square box easily.

but psp has bigger screen le, how can touch us better than psp?? for video??

better u mean as in the screen or the features??

true, PSP screen is bigger...and wider.
but somehow, it loses to iPod Touch in video quality.
aaahaha~

iphone is great for videos. Not only playing videos transcoded or purchased from itunes, it also directly streams YouTube video wherever got wifi/edge. I'm talking about practicality. But for quality, i admit that it still goes to PSP. Both are great devices, y not have both?

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Added on December 5, 2007, 11:16 amAlready using an iPhone, now looking forward in getting PSP Slim. It will then be a great duo of mobile device.

On average, the quality of video on iPod Touch and iPhone is more than sufficient for playback. For some that claims the playback on PSP is far more greater, I assume that if I'm a really picky movie watcher, PSP is my device. But still, the apple devices serves their purpose already. I just need a PSP as a dedicated game deck. Of course it's PSP, not the rip-off POP Station Portable (PSP Look-Alike)

This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Dec 5 2007, 11:16 AM

The only way is to haf both. There's no way around it. I love my iPhone a whole lot but for games, for games I still go back to my PSP.

This post has been edited by ianho: Dec 5 2007, 01:00 PM

iphone is nice but we talk about ipod touch vs psp becoz tis two is entertainment devices.. (iphone is cellphone already) this thread is to help some of the ppl not like us having both devices....have to choose which devices should they get for entertainent...THANKS

basically ipod touch = iphone without phone features, mmm...the duty as a phone itself is not as fullfilled as a regular phones either, so discussing about its ipod features is basically just as same as for the features of the ipod touch. So as long as the phone function is not mention, it is just as same

PSP video clarity sucks. I'm selling it off because of this and getting an iPod 5G.

Why? You cannot convert your videos into the exact resolution that PSP have. Every time I convert with many programs also comes out half baked.

Its also quite hard to hold it while watching. You either have to use two hands clenching the "ears" or hold with one hand grabbing the bottom. Both also not comfortable to watch.

As a music player, it sucks too. To play a track you have to use both hands to navigate to your songs while iPod single handedly scroll through your playlist.

That's my RM0.02

whoahh...after not login in lowyat..this thread have been to 4 page!!!hehehe still the talk will never be over.better admit it to have both device n you don't have to be in dilemma anymore!!!
cheers

this thread does not make sense, how can you compare a gaming device with music player? Of course both products have it's own pros & cons but this thread is more to comparing fried rice and porridge.

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Added on December 9, 2007, 7:48 pmone more thing very important in computer history, Apple invented the first pointing device that is the mouse.

This post has been edited by Mike3300: Dec 9 2007, 07:48 PM

keke..this thread has nw evolved to talking abt pointing devices..keke