Any advantage in getting a WiFi 7 router in Malaysia? Tri band WiFi 7 has speeds up to 19 GB but our ISPs in Malaysia download speed maximum is 2GB and majority of people probably subscribe to 500 Mbps or 1 Gbps plans.

Bragging right - yes

Real use - near zero

wifi5 to wifi6 more benefiting points.

did try comparing wifi6e to wifi7, but most of the new features are hardware based or device client must have support for it.

so yeah ,overkill for the moment.

though maybe wifi7 routers can shoot signal coverage up to the sky ?

No benefit unless you have network storage with fast connection and you need access from local WiFi. Also device using also need the the same interface otherwise no point.

Normal Consumer wise no benefits, save your money and go for 6

I’m personally am running EAP670 at the moment but will upgrade to EAP770 for one of my node next month for fun and testing

how fast your usage need ?

Using wifi6 also cannot get 500mbps on wifi
How to use wifi7

seriously blind pursuing the latest technology is a stoopig move.

not only one will be paying a high premium for that (of course if one is rich then different story) but again the real life experience may not change much.

Can the wifi 7 penetrate wall better then 2.4ghz?

No way. In order to support faster speed, higher frequency is used which the penetration is also poorer.

I can get more than 500 Mbps on WiFi6 on my phone.




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I usually upgrade when I have 3 or more devices. Getting first Wifi 7 device later this year so still 1-3 yrs away.

The speeds will be good for LAN. Internet not so much. My Unifi is only 800Mbps.

I already have Wi-Fi 7 device and tested at least 5 different Wi-Fi 7 routers. Here's some of my key TLDR findings

Wi-Fi 7 is not just about 6GHz. It enhanced the spectrum efficiency on 5GHz and 2.4GHz device as well.

There are Wi-Fi 7 devices without 6GHz band support in the market (Honor Magic 5 Pro). Similarly, you will see Wi-Fi 7 routers without 6GHz coming soon.

On a Wi-Fi 7 supported device used with a flagship Wi-Fi 7 router on the 5GHz band, you will get around 20-30% faster speed than a flagship Wi-Fi 6/6e router.

However, a flagship Wi-Fi 6/6e router will still outperform a mid-tier Wi-Fi 7 router on 2.4GHz and 5GHz.

Wi-Fi 7 on 6GHz is ridiculously fast at around 3000Mbps if it's within 5m line of sight, doubling performance on WiFi 6e.

Backwards compatibility is great, never had any issue even with my old IoT devices.

The best thing for now is probably the CPU upgrade. TP-Link Archer BE800 comes with 2.2GHz Qualcomm, ASUS is even ridiculous going all the way up to 2.6GHz Broadcom. Warn: All of them are hot.

Edit: All Wi-Fi 7 routers I tested currently are really stable, benefits older devices as well. All of them have the consistency of enterprise grade Wi-Fi access points, even on iPhone 12 Pro.

This post has been edited by blacktubi: Jan 20 2024, 08:59 PM

HOT. cannot last long or performance drop.

Apologies for my ignorance. How to get 3000 Mbps when our ISP in Malaysia max is 2 Gbps?

For LAN. Internet of course will be limited by your ISP plan.

I host my own Speedtest server with a 10G Interface

And higher frequency of the wifi means less far it can go. Wifi 6e? If u want fastest apeed need to be within 6 feet. Anything further then ur 800mbps speeds drops to 200mbps aje. Also iu devices need to have wifi 7 antenna or not also no point. Theoretically only benefit of wifi 7, is less channel congestion since all ur neighbours still b40 and using wiifi 6

If you’re upgrading from a free WiFi 6 router from ISP to even an entry level WiFi 7 router, even your old WiFi 6 device will experience a 20-30% speed improvement

That’s because of a new router comes with better WiFi components and all of them benefit older devices as well

The main target is solving the selection of GHz, unsure will it solved the problem of bad configuration or not.

For example, my TM University having renew of WiFi like 6 years ago, they put too much AP and each other interference like butterfly effect, causing whole WiFi near shut down for most building, even 5GHz got issues(but still online), lucky Android phone can select/limit to 5GHz only at that time.
Final solution is they turn off certain AP in between as monitor mode, solved.
(The problem of too much budget, each small room each AP, with thin wall, lol )

So as u can see, if they really fixed the "Auto" as default issues, it surely bring down the setup and experience of average customer that know near nothing for WiFi.

But yes, that will be after 3 years, WiFi 7 have been supported by default on each smartphone la....

Same story if you are in supermarket. All the small shop got their own modem. All the AP and mess up my portable modem. The best put in auto mode then the modem will set it self the less congested frequency.

Will it be OK to mix a Wifi7 node and a 6E main router under AiMesh?

for internal file transfer ok la

It is already auto mode, each reboot will change channel, but the same channel of signal passthrough the wall too easy, they can solve it by limiting 2.4G 20M to certain range of AP while 5Ghz 40M for all AP, or even 20M if they prefer more 5GHz users per AP + more AP using different channel.
Also yes, lower TX power la, but that team of peoples' skill level is too low, they even perform test in a silent quiet room in corner, without any full room around, then said speed no problem, full speed....
(Got invited, boring and go to learn how they perform test, lol)
Max budget for devices, but weak team, aiyo, then hopeless to TM as seeing them outsource like this...

Even got someone evil, using windows laptop connect to the AP in library, then create a strong signal of hotspot with same SSID but different password, blocking all people around, taken whole WiFi resource as him alone.
Very shitty I tell you...
(Ignore more stupid people stealing those big 4 antenna from AP, lol...)

Yes, Android phone also same, the auto failed to detect congested ch, same to Windows's hotspot.
Need to reenable again and again, or connect to a 5GHz WiFi/Hotspot, then enable it, aiya.
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So yes, the main problem is still the fail of default AUTO, not the generation of WiFi x.
With the WiFi 6 getting famous, now they are a lot of new stupid going around 160M without the need of it...

Hoping them jumping back 80M during congested night hour when everyone at home, is just a pure luck, lol.

Yup, works well.

Cross model compatibility is great on their Broadcom CPU based models.

Eyeing BE98 for my new home. Wish to use wired backhaul and multi-gig LAN.
Actually if I get a switch in the mix, probably will have more options.

Yes this new router is gonna be a beast.

my 2021 deco x90 can reliably get 850mbps on wifi 6 for phone, and gigabit on laptop

RM3988

My mi cr6608 (5GHz HE80) (which cost only rm170) can ran 800Mbps as a wifi access point.

I will wait for the ZenWiFi series

My XT12 been serving me well

My dads xiaomi used to keep phoning home to Chinese servers everyday and gets blocked by my ips

And after the github leaks there’s no way I’d let any mainland brand be my router. Have more faith in the Taiwanese

My mainland branded routers was flashed to openwrt.Does it phoning to mainland?

I honestly can’t say, from the github leaks most of what it looked like was some sort of permanent hardware solution, something which isn’t in the software and would not be affected by flashing firmware, but I think there isn’t much to worry about, unless you are constantly talking about tiananmen square and then travelling to china

Are we talking about backdoor(routers)or native tracker on devices?

Yes, even in other countries who provide 19Gbps to household However, if you have many interconnecting devices in house that are transferring data to each other, then it is still beneficial.

If you have extra money to spend on it, you can still upgrade. There is still benefit to it. The higher the capacity, the more challenging to design the circuit board because the board has to have lower noise to handle much more complex modulation for example. By doing so, the quality of signal received at lower speed is also improved. I can bet that link speed would also improved compare to your previous router.

Me, I just wait until price drop when new one enter market

It is linked to its cloud based control app services which is DDNS based.

Just like many IP-based CCTV cams out there which no longer needs public IP.

The purpose is to control your modem/CCTVs outside from your phone even when behind private IP based home connections.

We already live in a cloud based era where devices now works behind private IPs. Why Malaysians still so backdated one?

What cloud based service? Xiaomi account was not activated

I also have a dahua ip based cctv, use it outside of home daily, no issues. I also use more than 4TB a month, but the only hits on the firewall (outgoing) are from the xiaomi connecting to known “blacklisted” IP’s.

Did you even read the github leak? Bro risked his life and you’re justifying it as a ddns service 💀😂

As someone that works as a sales in SI, I don’t even want to use these cloud stuff in my own home environment lmao

My guy is legit just selling out his shit willingly to the CCP

I already found my answers.See the second post.



I did use adblocklean and stubby(DOT to cloudflare) install on my router.

It's a norm for Cloud based devices and IoT.

Nothing alarming as Tesla and Google IoT devices also does the same all the time regardless if you've activated your account or not.
To be able to cut off from their cloud servers is considered more of a security threat as anyone who gains access to your CCTV network or routers.

It has to constantly update your device status to the cloud network for monitoring the uptime/activities for AI processing to predict threats or abnormal activities.

You should only be wary if your CCTV is pointing to your toilet or it's transferring gigs of data daily but then again if you're on remote cloud recording using the manufacturer's storage servers it's also normal.

Those thieves or robbers break into your house, they can't destroy the evidence as the video is continuously uploaded to the remote servers for safe storage.

Why not? It's the future of IoT and AI adoption.

If you're not selling shit to CCP, then you're selling it to the Western Jews or Bharatians instead.
There's no escape unless you cut yourself out from the internet entirely.

You need to trade privacy for transparency.

How about selling to none of them and just host the stuff yourself and use proper routing rules?

And if I had no choice, I’d rather sell the stuff to westerners than CCP.

You mean closed based offline CCTVs?

Not safe either, robber or thieves enter your house smash up the network recorder all your evidences destroyed.

Yeah right, why just only China? Westerners and Western Asia are saints? You unaware of the darkening of Europe and the West?

impressive

Frustrating that Samsung Malaysia is the only mobile probider Did not enable 6ghz band

I can get close to 500Mbps, sometimes slightly exceed for download. Upload will be a bit under 500Mbps.

Router Wifi- Tplink AX72.

PC 1 - Tplink TXE75E PCIE x1 Wifi (intel AX210 chipset)
PC 2 - Gigabyte Aorus 450 i Pro Wifi (some older Intel AC chipset)

Phones cannot though (all WIFI AC) max around 250Mbps to 300Mbps.

Key is wireless mesh backhauling.

With 6GHz backhaul, it's now possible to do 10Gbps. File transfer from/to NAS will be quick.

For you to take advantage of this, you probably want to have a fat pipe to begin with. Anything less than 1Gbps from your ISP. you will be probably better to stick with older WIFI standard.

I'm looking forward to get this: https://dongknows.com/asus-zenwifi-bq16-pro-review/ to see if I could finally get near to 1Gbps wirelessly on my secondary mesh.

my iphone can get 400Mbps close to 500Mbps via my wifi 5 mesh also.

BQ16 lol

If u hav wifi based NAS, maybe?

it's probly the top performer for wifi7.

it's even got the combination of afc and mlo which will be a game changer.





the question though, what client do you have which is wifi7?

heck the samsung S24 Ultra can't even do it in malaysia afaik
https://r1.community.samsung.com/t5/galaxy-...25895844/page/4


so you'd need a phone with working wiifi 7. pixel 8 wifi7 seems subpar compared to one of those chinese brand phones.


for pc/laptop there is the intel wifi7 card. but this pcie addon won't work well on amd systems i heard.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1ay52...g_wifi7_on_amd/



all i'm saying, wifi 7 is good, but you need the appropriate client to connect to it to truly get wifi 7. we are getting there for sure, but it's probably still too early.

You can get a XE75 2 pack for half the price of an a BE65. One is wifi 6e and the other is wifi7. if you simply just need wifi, then the cheaper option is not bad. but if you don't mind paying a premium then the wifi 7 is ok i guess.

if you want the very best of wifi7, only the asus zen bq16-pro you mentioned has that the combination of afc with mlo. but like dong's review mentioned, it has it's own quirks. like slow apply settings

Just do your own setup. Everyone is not trustable.
https://frigate.video/

can anyone explain why eap-773 cost double in shopee, but on amazon is half the price?

Also for the amazon price, shopee sells you the older eap-673 which is a wifi 6


i've already ordered a eap-773 with free shipping to malaysia (there is an import deposit however, though it's still within reason).

I will do the initial benchmark using my Samsung S24 Ultra brand new.

All i am saying is, do not order this model ap from shopee. Cauz you will pay double the price of amazon. lel

ps: if there is issue you need cover under warranty, no idea what to do then. Will tplink still cover it despite the overseas order? keep that in mind, i don't have the answer either




@sitescope

even if your wifi cannot max out your internet, that is your isp issue. Get faster internet subscription speed, then you can complain why your wifi isn't keeping up then.

But the short answer is what soonwai said basically.

The longer reason elaborating on that talking point, wifi 7 will then (beyond usage for internet access) be for LOCAL LAN speed over wifi. Then your bottle neck would be a few things

1. your wifi ap. wifi 6? wifi7? even then not all these are equal, there are solid reliable ones and there bad ones. And ones with premium features, take like the zen wifi that has AFC for wifi7

2. your client device. If you have a wifi7 and you want to take full advantage of it, then you need a wifi 7 client. A pixel 8 has wifi 7, but it doesn't have 320 MHz band which the Samsung S24 Ultra does. Even the client you pick needs to be capable to get the most out of it.

3. your switch connected to the wireless ap. If your ap uses a 10g ethernet, then connect it to a 10g port as well. That is not to say you will get 10g speeds for wifi. But it eliminates any possible bottlenecks. Just make sure you use a switch matching your equipment to avoid bottleneck.

4. there a few client devices that current support wifi7. For amd desktop pcs, you can get a msi wifi7 pcie adapter that has the qualcom chip in it, this supports amd systems for wifi7. For intel systems, they have the intel chipset wifi7 pcie addon cards (these don't work on amd). For laptops they may have wifi 7 already in it, if not you can get the module to add that capability assuming you can install it into the laptop.

the other popular device is the smartphone. You pixel 8 (it doesn't have 320 MHz band because this is possibly an early iteration of wifi7 so is lacking in features. If i'm not mistaken it's capped at 160 MHz), Samsung S24 Ultra (the non ultra for S24 do not have wifi 7 because they use the exynos chip which confirm does not have it).
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/commen...ve_functioning/

Eventually years later more devices will get wifi7, but for now these 3 things are most likely to have it and be using it for now e.g. desktop/laptop/smartphones



so talking in regards for local lan speed case scenario, do you need wifi7? probably not, especially at these premium prices. You can go out and get a wifi 6e system for half the price of what you are paying for wifi 7. Some even cost a lot more.

wifi7 has shorter range and may require line of sight. But for some wireless 7 aps like the zen wifi, they have something afc which would give it a similar range as 5GHz.

MLO is also another interesting feature wifi7 has for making full use of your wifi to get good speeds and reliability.



fyi i was testing a samsung s24 ultra with a wifi5 ubiquiti unifi ap lite. I am able to stream netflix 4k, flac lossless music from navidrome, file transfers to my other devices on the network just fine. So you see even the outdated wifi can already do these things without any lag. though range, throughput are still things to be aware of among other things.

Wifi 7 just makes it better but isn't must for everyone just yet. One of the other benefits of wifi 7, you can use a range outside your neighbours so that their wifi won't affect yours. This is one important use for say 6GHz. Nearby the 2.4GHz and 5GHz is all very congested

So that is how you can make use of wifi 7

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jun 27 2024, 05:10 PM

FYI. The BQ16 is available for purchase.

I am surprise we get the 6GHz Pro version. But I am not complaining.

but it's so expensive. on shopee is 3k for 1 unit. i imagine with mesh its 4-6k or something. their out of stock.

the cheapest wifi 7 for 2 unit i saw either a eap-773 (ordered from amazon. it's not a router. it's only a wireless ap)

Or the deco be65 (shopee)

for 2 pack for either of this is RM2k. Not cheap but still better in pricing than the asus.

But the asus has one neat feature AFC to make the 6ghz a similar range to that of 5ghz supposedly
https://dongknows.com/asus-zenwifi-bq16-pro-review/


it has weird quirks like a slow boot up, and whenever changing settings also slow to commit? read dong's review for the details.


Also consider wifi 6e, a 2pack TP LINK Deco XE75 is RM1k (half the price of the wifi7 2 pack mesh options i mentioned above). Heck, if you are not even bothered with 2pack, and fine with just 1 unit, then it goes down to rm577



another wifi option is the ubiquiti u7 pro. subtel on shopee has this for about 1k. This ubiquiti is a wireless ap only (not a router. it's only a wireless ap)


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 23 2024, 04:58 PM

yes very pricey unit.

I think the general issue with WiFi 7 is the 6GHz range as even the mid range WiFi 7 routers struggle horribly on 6GHz range.

Fun fact, the range of WiFi 6E routers on 6GHz will beat most WiFi 7 routers. In order to perform well on 6GHz, the manufacturers have to use really expensive RF components hence they are only used on the flagship lineup.

That's because Wi-Fi 7 works up to MCS13 (4096QAM) with 320MHz wide channel. Wi-Fi 6E is only MCS11 (1024QAM) with 160MHz wide channel.

The 6GHz MCS11 power output on a flagship WiFi 6E router is around +18dDm. is One of the engineers share with me that WiFi RF component that can output +18dBM at 6GHz MCS13 is ridiculously expensive. Hence they are opting for cheaper alternative that only do +14dBM unless on their flagship model.

Don't be surprised when 5GHz outperforms 6GHz on a mid-range or entry level 6GHz WiFi 7 routers after a wall if they can even penetrate a wall.

yeah i followed your blog.

for myself, how i would use wifi7, is have it in the same room as my client device in line of sight.


then, if i want wifi7 in another area in the home, i'd have ANOTHER ap in that location (connected via wired ethernet. not sure if omada eap support wireless meshing backhaul?), and for say tplink omada, there is mesh, AI roaming, seamless transition for clients when switching between aps depending on which offers the better signal.

So that is how i would go about it.

I wouldn't expect wifi7 to punch through walls and go long distances. Though i wonder if the asus zen with afc can do that or not?




This is the teardown of the eap-773 v1.6 (this is the one i have)
https://www.reddit.com/r/TPLink_Omada/comme..._eap773_ver_16/


Not sure what component is in it


another way to put it, would most people notice the difference in terms of actual use between wifi6e and wifi7? probably not (especially if u aren't using the 1gbps or 2gbps broadband plans). But they will most definitely notice a difference between dolling out either RM1k or Rm2k or 4-6k (assuming they are going for a 2pack for a mesh setup as their baseline wifi setup) for their next wireless mesh/ap

Also if all you need to is 6ghz to counter congestion in you area for wifi, then the wifi 6e 6ghz should have you covered.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 24 2024, 07:58 AM

There seems to be a Triband version of BQ16 (called BT10) instead of quadband.

It should presumably be cheaper. No news on price yet, might be worth losing one 5Ghz band if the price is right.

I tested the BQ16, I manage to get over 2Gbps on the 10G LAN port at the mesh node via wireless backhaul MLO. Crazy stuff.

Don't think that's possible with tri-band.

THe most IMPORTANT ROUTER spec IS NOT WIFI BANDWIDTH in Modern home setup


Said many times.

1. Signal Strenght
2. Concurrency Handling
3. Beamforming
4. Anti Inteference (in crowded wifi area)

Where is the setting to enable MLO? "Smart Connect"?

I bought a pair too. Using 6Hz backhaul because I hate the idea of the router randomly assigning bands to my non-BE devices (which was all of them). And I am just getting OK 6GHz backhaul signal strength. With my 1GBps internet bandwidth, I am getting around 8xxMbps. Which isn't bad.

My issue is, heat seems to degrade the performance. And BQ16 runs hot if you place it in a room without running ceiling fan/aircond.

This post has been edited by ray_: Jul 29 2024, 01:15 PM