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post Jan 11 2024, 10:34 AM

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Out of curiosity on all these cost of insurance increase, do you all check your annual statement to compare the cost of insurance increase?... Not refering the premium paid but actual cost of insurance deducted after your paid premium is converted to funds unit.

My overall cost have creep up slowly over years but did not recall a dramatic jump but expecting a big one when hit 60...
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post Jan 11 2024, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 11 2024, 10:40 AM)
Cost of insurance deducted will increase every year simply due to age. That's different from medical repricing where there's a one off bump across the board for everyone.
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Yes... But this repricing will translate into actual cost of insurance which is to be paid...

I have not seen a dramatic repricing notification thus far for many years that I need to top up. Maybe the cash reserve was able to sustain it as I intentionally have spec an extra investment contribution so I don't get caught out unexpectedly down the road which for sure an ever upward trajectory...

And I have also refreshed my policy 4 years back when the insurer offer an upgrade without medical check leveraging same submission back 10yrs+ ago. Yes there was some increased premium but also massively increase my coverage limit to unlimited lifetime which was capped previously.

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post Jan 11 2024, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 11 2024, 11:08 AM)
Yes. Burning money if you never use it. Like my friend. In his 60+. Never use his medical insurance.
I think those cost of insurance is not publicly shown. More like company secret?
What insurance company is that?
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Ayo.... insurance benefit is like unwanted lottery... rather have it burned than materialised it.... I know sounded ironic....

The cost of insurance on our policies statement... not their super secret internal cost....

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post Jan 15 2024, 01:23 PM

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And as long as they have something to sell after analysing your portfolio....its a clouded judgment... its somehow conflicting interests no...?
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post Jan 15 2024, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 15 2024, 01:27 PM)
You goto the hospital for medical consultation,...the doctor after reviewing your conditions recommend some actions need to be done. These actions can be made in that hospital.
Is that "a clouded judgment... its somehow conflicting interests  too no...?"
Ha ha
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Possible too... hence second opinion... dry.gif

On serious note, they are subjected to rigorous selection and carry oaths and obligations that need to have its own insurance too... yes? As for certified or qualified financial planner... so far have not needed one... maybe too peasant of level.... blush.gif
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post Jan 16 2024, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 15 2024, 08:37 PM)
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Yeah, if they suggest the ratios of split, options, where too etc. that supposedly match one risk profile, thats fine.... but than again, who would know one risk profile better than own self.... hmmmm, frankly at my age, I know what I'm looking at given all facts considered....risk appetites, age, commitment, liabilities,....

Crunched all my numbers, from worst to best case I possibly could...even if these folks planner can help me making extra 10-20%, not going to make any differences.... but a discourse of diversification would be productive....as long as my interpretation of risk threshold is met etc..

Sorr6 digress off topic....Heck its part of COLA inflation discourse.... 😄

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post Jan 16 2024, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 16 2024, 12:40 AM)
this time increase just 7.8%. that is low i think, as it had been published that the medical inflation rate in malaysia had been around 10% ~ 15% per annum.

do you still remember when was the last increase for your plan? hope it is not just last year
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Damn.. I need to download and check my previous year statement to see the annual creep...

I don't think its gone that much higher ie 7-8%... hmmm,.... makes me worry a bit pulak......
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post Jan 17 2024, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 16 2024, 07:52 PM)
Mine had gone up abt 270% in 13 yrs...

Just for fun numbers, ...
Contestchris had just posted this in insurance tread.
Entry age and price variance of 2 online products
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Looking back, my current policy started 15yrs ago. Midway, I have 2 supplementary policies whenever insurer offer them at discount with extra coverage with low premium and no medical check requirements to provide the additional coverage.

Then 2 years ago, it was consolidated when insurer offer an upsell without medical check, allow me to upgrade my original plan that in total match all 3 policies combined. Nett Premium is actually lowered as part of their upsell consolidation. I let my 2 supplementary policies run for another 6 months as there was waiting period on the upsell.

Now with only 1 policy and the other 2 is cancelled. Overall, the premium remain about the same last 5 yrs with small creep about 3-4% annually.
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post Jan 17 2024, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 17 2024, 11:29 AM)
You upgraded policy, ..thus added total premium or changed premium value to higher just 2 yrs ago...
Would be good to see if the 3-4% pa medical inflation rate increase remained after 5 yrs.
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Ya that the million bucks question.... bye.gif

Finger crossed.... but then again, I'm already at high state cost group at 55... so it will be an upward trajectory premium... pretty sure.
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post Jan 17 2024, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 17 2024, 12:34 PM)
Regarding this,...just for discussion, no right or wrong issues
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You are absolutely correct on the agent gain. However it was an open eye on my part as I requested the agent to check for it.

That period, health wise was having some issues and felt my policy limit is not adequate, hence when the offer came, I pick it up while waiting for upsell.

Lo and behold, few months right after consolidation just past the waiting period, I had a complications which recoup whatever I have paid last 8yrs ish of insurance premium.

Let's just say it's not an lottery/ROI that one should aim for when it come to insurance.

Be it the 3 separate policies or one consolidated it would have cover it. But having a single one now that technically cheaper ie higher coverage for same dollar, it's easier to manage.


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