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post Dec 21 2023, 11:07 PM, updated 2y ago

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Seems to me that the cheapest and good (maybe) mesh node is the kaon 2140 maxis router, currently selling 2nd hand for around RM100. A big plus point is it's light, good range (I think) as well as support for the open EasyMesh instead of something proprietary like onemesh aimesh decomesh etc.

Is it really a good idea? Or are there better mesh routers/nodes for RM100 a piece?
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post Dec 22 2023, 11:58 AM

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I don''t know why being light is a plus point since you are not carry it everywhere.

I personally prefer wireless router with external antenna. Many other brand also support EasyMesh.
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post Dec 22 2023, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(tvcat @ Dec 22 2023, 11:58 AM)
I don''t know why being light is a plus point since you are not carry it everywhere.

I personally prefer wireless router with external antenna. Many other brand also support EasyMesh.
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true, but nothing under 100 yes?

but i prefer external antenna as well. just that hard to beat sub 100 pricing, and not exactly difficult to mod it to accept external antenna.

being light is an advantage to me and me only I think since I plan to deploy for a kampung if possible. carrying 100s of these around is annoying after a while. easymesh seems to support up to 300 nodes AFAIK

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post Dec 22 2023, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Dec 22 2023, 12:40 PM)
true, but nothing under 100 yes?

but i prefer external antenna as well. just that hard to beat sub 100 pricing, and not exactly difficult to mod it to accept external antenna.

being light is an advantage to me and me only I think since I plan to deploy for a kampung if possible. carrying 100s of these around is annoying after a while. easymesh seems to support up to 300 nodes AFAIK
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100s? First you need to think of the processing power. Second the speed of the internet.
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post Dec 22 2023, 02:54 PM

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im using 800mbps last time, got 3 of this router. 2 of it act as mesh.
end up not using any mesh.
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post Dec 24 2023, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(awol @ Dec 22 2023, 02:54 PM)
im using 800mbps last time, got 3 of this router. 2 of it act as mesh.
end up not using any mesh.
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the mesh is bad or the router is good enough?
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post Dec 24 2023, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(tvcat @ Dec 22 2023, 02:51 PM)
100s? First you need to think of the processing power.
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that's why I'm here.
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post Dec 26 2023, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Dec 24 2023, 12:22 AM)
the mesh is bad or the router is good enough?
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the router is good enough
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post Dec 26 2023, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Dec 24 2023, 12:23 AM)
that's why I'm here.
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Everybody like the idea of mesh but you need to understand that mesh is for coverage only but not speed.

Say you have one router station at A. Then you find that at location B your signal is weak and can get only 1Mbps. Then you put a mesh router at B to get strong signal. Yes your signal is going to be strong there BUT if you mesh router at B is relying on wireless connection to A then the max speed you can get in B is just the max link connection between router A and router B. If the connection is at 1Mbps, your strong signal at B can only deliver 1MBps max. Therefore, for best throughput, you would need a cabled link between the router A and the router B.

The main purpose of mesh id that you do not need to switch to another router when you roam from one node to another node. You also get better coverage but the speed depends on how you link between your mesh router. If you plan to connect them wirelessly, you can get higher speed if your mesh routers are close to each other but that would beat the purpose laugh.gif
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post Dec 29 2023, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Dec 26 2023, 08:08 AM)
If you plan to connect them wirelessly, you can get higher speed if your mesh routers are close to each other but that would beat the purposeĀ  laugh.gif
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I know what a mesh is and what it can do. What I don't know is how it fares for mesh vs dedicated mesh nodes like deco or vs proprietary mesh like aimesh. Currently there are zero info (I think) available online especially on its mesh/easymesh performance.

Even if it's *almost* as good as a used rm350 deco m9, you cannot beat the sub rm100 price, with wifi 6, 6e, and ax speed.


Also I believe it's tri-band right? That alone puts it right on top as a competitor to pretty much any other mesh node.


Also #2 most will be wired, and some are wireless for extended coverage like you said.

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post Dec 29 2023, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Dec 29 2023, 04:09 PM)
I know what a mesh is and what it can do. What I don't know is how it fares for mesh vs dedicated mesh nodes like deco or vs proprietary mesh like aimesh. Currently there are zero info (I think) available online especially on its mesh/easymesh performance.

Even if it's *almost* as good as a used rm350 deco m9, you cannot beat the sub rm100 price, with wifi 6, 6e, and ax speed.
Also I believe it's tri-band right? That alone puts it right on top as a competitor to pretty much any other mesh node.
Also #2 most will be wired, and some are wireless for extended coverage like you said.
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It would be no different I'd say. If dedicated mesh uses own custom protocol to signal each other then you have no other option but to use router from same manufacturer. I would go for EasyMesy and I think every manufacturer will eventually go for open system because that is what people want.

I bought Asus last time because it can be used with different Asus models, more flexible than router that comes in a set like Deco. I thought I will add one more later to cover upstairs but end up I can just use one at the living hall to cover whole house. I think the most you need is just 2 routers for 2 storey house. Probably no need to use extender.
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post Jan 2 2024, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Dec 29 2023, 04:40 PM)
I think the most you need is just 2 routers for 2 storey house. Probably no need to use extender.
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I have a kinda big house, even 3 deco m9 plus is struggling to cover all especially when it needs to bypass walls and mirrors and doors. but I'm actually researching on ways to cover a whole neighborhood. think for old folks in kampung areas, with 100 nodes (estimated) and everybody chip in to pay 1 bill (and a router per house punya electric bill), cover whole kampung, rate limited per device for basic use.

was thinking about aimesh, but officially it supports 5 nodes wired, and people have done 8 nodes max (everything else after that gets turned into wireless automagically). that's why easymesh and the kaon router sounds exciting to me.
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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jan 2 2024, 11:41 AM)
I have a kinda big house, even 3 deco m9 plus is struggling to cover all especially when it needs to bypass walls and mirrors and doors. but I'm actually researching on ways to cover a whole neighborhood. think for old folks in kampung areas, with 100 nodes (estimated) and everybody chip in to pay 1 bill (and a router per house punya electric bill), cover whole kampung, rate limited per device for basic use.

was thinking about aimesh, but officially it supports 5 nodes wired, and people have done 8 nodes max (everything else after that gets turned into wireless automagically). that's why easymesh and the kaon router sounds exciting to me.
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The main problem to WiFi probably more on interference than the brick wall or wooden door. So, depends on house layout probably. With only 1 wireless AP I can cover my whole house of about 3000+ sqft with no problem.. Even on 5GHz band it still managed to to deliver speed of at least about 200Mbps anywhere in the house.

I've never heard about limit of mesh of just only 5 nodes wired. That is probably that particular brand firmware with star distribution to 5 mesh nodes. Theoretically is can go much higher. Even in theory one router can go 255 clients but in reality you will have sluggish connection. This due to the way WiFI operates. As you know WIFI is just simplex communication. A router can only transmit or receive at any given time and only can handle 1 client at a time. When many (or even two) clients try to talk to router at the same time, only one can get through. Thus the rest have to wait for turn but the problem is the wait time is just random, not first come first served.

I think the Deco mesh if connect wirelessly is not efficient because The mesh communication and users transmission shares the same band. Therefore, you will have more data collisions. It will significantly slow down connection where many use the network. Home grade WiFi router can slow down with just probably around 6 to 8 clients although theoretically can serve 255 clients laugh.gif

That is why big companies uses enterprise solution to manage mesh routers. Maybe this article will helps your project.

https://commotionwireless.net/docs/cck/netw...lines-for-mesh/

 

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