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[CAUGHT] Stranger made off with Honda at Car Wash, Everyone brain farted?
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TSkeybearer
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Nov 22 2023, 10:42 AM, updated 3y ago
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>Guy came claiming to be owner's friend went inside car and asked for car key >Staff had suspicion so gave to owner instead (incidentally came at same time?) >Guy already inside car ask from owner, owner gave it thinking he's one of the staff >GTA mission passed, new mission : quick getaway Update: Caught already yesterday, all the way in Kedah. Kudos authorities very efficient. QUOTE(ps3 fanboy @ Nov 24 2023, 10:27 AM) This post has been edited by keybearer: Nov 24 2023, 09:59 AM
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 10:45 AM
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Kesian no insurance payout.
Those who pannai pannai give car key to third-party like car wash guy, good luck. Insurance won't pay you.
Same with VIP parking, giving car key to hotel car park guy. Gone with the wind. U can start saving money to pay your bank loan and apply another car loan for new car
This post has been edited by RT8081: Nov 22 2023, 10:46 AM
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pinkfoxlulu
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Nov 22 2023, 10:46 AM
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??????
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pobox
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Nov 22 2023, 10:47 AM
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Free car
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wkn
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Nov 22 2023, 10:49 AM
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this guy play so much GTA until become pro at stealing cars.
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kopiride
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Nov 22 2023, 11:02 AM
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Steal then drive in Kampong or ulu places. Forever can't find.
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JonSpark
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Nov 22 2023, 11:05 AM
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> claim to be owner's friend > pretend to be cash wash worker
The AMOGUS is strong in this one.
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kons
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Nov 22 2023, 11:07 AM
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Конс
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QUOTE(kopiride @ Nov 22 2023, 11:02 AM) Steal then drive in Kampong or ulu places. Forever can't find. just spray new color and change car plate and get a fake roadtax for that... forever can't find
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coyouth
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Nov 22 2023, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 10:45 AM) Kesian no insurance payout. Those who pannai pannai give car key to third-party like car wash guy, good luck. Insurance won't pay you. Same with VIP parking, giving car key to hotel car park guy. Gone with the wind. U can start saving money to pay your bank loan and apply another car loan for new car seriously? i wonder why not many cases like that, since it's easier to steal car this way rather than breaking into a parked car.
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(coyouth @ Nov 22 2023, 11:09 AM) seriously? i wonder why not many cases like that, since it's easier to steal car this way rather than breaking into a parked car. Break in is different. Ur insurance will ask you to surrender your both fobs or car keys (usually in pairs). So If you fail to give even one, Ur insurance will take note and further investigate. They might even conclude you willingly give Ur key away so the onus is on you to prove. QUOTE Car owners in Malaysia commonly pass their car keys to workers at a car wash and collect their vehicles minutes or hours later. Although the transaction is often unrecorded, we are used to this business style — surrendering our vehicle to a washer that doesn’t provide any written acknowledgement or receipt before and upon the completion of the transaction.
The underlying cause for this carefree attitude could be misunderstanding your car insurance policy. Maybe you have a comprehensive insurance plan, and you think it’ll save you from every trouble. But in reality, there are exclusions to what your policy can and cannot cover.
Now, let’s imagine a situation where a young woman named Aisyah visits a mall in KL to do some shopping. Aisyah wants to get her car washed outside the mall at an auto wash facility. Young Aisyah thinks it’s okay to pass her car key to one of the workers and leave the vehicle behind while she’s shopping in the mall. About an hour later, she returned to collect her car only to realise that her vehicle was lost.
One of the car wash attendants had mistakenly handed over Aisyah’s car key to the wrong person. Now that the car is lost, Aisyah does what every car owner would do. She contacts the insurer for help and files a claim for car theft since her comprehensive insurance policy covers theft. Unfortunately, the insurer rejected her claim because the incident had happened due to her negligence. https://bjak.my/blog/car-insurance-stolen-vehicle/Back to your question why thief target car wash, because they know this kind of culture is like norm This post has been edited by RT8081: Nov 22 2023, 11:15 AM
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keyibukeyi
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Nov 22 2023, 11:14 AM
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Noted with thanks, i always ask people when they come in together, LU punya kawan ka. On a serious note, malay like to buat anggapan untuk apa saja situasi LOLOLOL TRUST ME IF NOT U OWNSELP LUGI.
This post has been edited by keyibukeyi: Nov 22 2023, 11:19 AM
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TSkeybearer
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Nov 22 2023, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(coyouth @ Nov 22 2023, 12:09 PM) seriously? i wonder why not many cases like that, since it's easier to steal car this way rather than breaking into a parked car. Valet parking got few cases people impersonate as staffs, few time already car missing when checked valet operator say never have that description of staff working for them (or maybe cuci tangan statement lmao). High charisma people scam like that, high dexterity/intelligence people break into parked cars.
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Phoenix_KL
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Nov 22 2023, 11:19 AM
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owner gave it thinking he's one of the staff
lol
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ps3 fanboy
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Nov 22 2023, 11:22 AM
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my tips..stay at the vacinity of the car wash and choose the shop with uniform
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ycs
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Nov 22 2023, 11:22 AM
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in SC also same case can happen,
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coyouth
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Nov 22 2023, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 11:11 AM) Break in is different. Ur insurance will ask you to surrender your both fobs or car keys (usually in pairs). So If you fail to give even one, Ur insurance will take note and further investigate. They might even conclude you willingly give Ur key away so the onus is on you to prove. https://bjak.my/blog/car-insurance-stolen-vehicle/Back to your question why thief target car wash, because they know this kind of culture is like norm how about when you send your car to repair/service? you have to pass the keys to the service agent and they force you to sit in the room only.
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robotking123
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Nov 22 2023, 11:23 AM
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Jgn cuci kereta bawah pokok, it is totally unsafe. They will simply put your keys on the table and anyone can just grab the key and drive away your car. It is funny people install this and that but when wash car they let go all kind of securities...
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Ayer
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Nov 22 2023, 11:25 AM
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Top kek owner
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JimbeamofNRT
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Nov 22 2023, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(kopiride @ Nov 22 2023, 11:02 AM) Steal then drive in Kampong or ulu places. Forever can't find. steal sini juga sama. 1 hour after that gps device all sudah buka. hilux. then masuk kontena. if hantar sabah sarawak from semenanjung change plate number cannot detect already. better still export to third world countries can see the stories in fb This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Nov 22 2023, 11:27 AM
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mushigen
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Nov 22 2023, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(ycs @ Nov 22 2023, 11:22 AM) in SC also same case can happen, Sometimes when I forgot to bring the service chit, I just told them forgot to bring. OK jer, no need to check ID using IC or phone number tallies with their record. I think they assume only genuine owners know when their car is ready for collection.
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(coyouth @ Nov 22 2023, 11:23 AM) how about when you send your car to repair/service? you have to pass the keys to the service agent and they force you to sit in the room only. If authorised service center, chances of getting it stolen is low because your car agent is the same guy who takes the car from you and he knows you. SC will usually compensate as they have their own insurance to cover. And they won't risk their reputation especially dealing with own brand. Agent will probably gets terminated. Besides they are the same SC who also renew your insurance such as Honda HIP. You can always sue SC back and if you can prove their negligence, you will be compensated. This post has been edited by RT8081: Nov 22 2023, 11:36 AM
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Randomization
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Nov 22 2023, 11:36 AM
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Literally kthxbye
Siap handshake, great deal.
KEK
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SUStolongking
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Nov 22 2023, 11:36 AM
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everytime i go JB for car wash i just stay inside the car and never pass my key to the staff
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zuozi
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Nov 22 2023, 11:36 AM
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I always give the key to carwash guy i know because tak ada parking after wash they help me park 😂
I don't wash at any random car wash shop, if i rly want to wash even on raining day i also sent my vehicle to wash .
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TOMEI-R
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Nov 22 2023, 11:37 AM
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Habis. Since owner voluntarily passed the car keys to the thief, insurance claims process would definitely be a difficult process.
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zuozi
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Nov 22 2023, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(tolongking @ Nov 22 2023, 11:36 AM) everytime i go JB for car wash i just stay inside the car and never pass my key to the staff Wait inside the car is okay but makes sure engine is off, don't keep the engine running the entire shop will have your exhaust flume is a unpleasant for other customers and workers
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PJng
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Nov 22 2023, 11:40 AM
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Cannot play embed whole post
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coyouth
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Nov 22 2023, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 11:34 AM) If authorised service center, chances of getting it stolen is low because your car agent is the same guy who takes the car from you and he knows you. SC will usually compensate as they have their own insurance to cover. And they won't risk their reputation especially dealing with own brand. Agent will probably gets terminated. Besides they are the same SC who also renew your insurance such as Honda HIP. You can always sue SC back and if you can prove their negligence, you will be compensated. how about those repair shop that repair cars after an accident?
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(coyouth @ Nov 22 2023, 11:45 AM) how about those repair shop that repair cars after an accident?  That one u claim under insurance panel, not your responsibility. As long you sent to insurance panel and inform them. If hilang, good lol. Probably get a cash compensation 🤣
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SUStolongking
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Nov 22 2023, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Nov 22 2023, 11:39 AM) Wait inside the car is okay but makes sure engine is off, don't keep the engine running the entire shop will have your exhaust flume is a unpleasant for other customers and workers My car is a hybrid lol
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la bella
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Nov 22 2023, 12:02 PM
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I'm the paranoid one who never give car key to carwash guy.
I would choose a carwash place where I can sit and watch the whole process, when they need me to move my car, I drive myself.
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kcchong2000
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Nov 22 2023, 12:04 PM
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Beli nissan je. Confirm tarak orang curi
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MR_alien
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Nov 22 2023, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(kopiride @ Nov 22 2023, 11:02 AM) Steal then drive in Kampong or ulu places. Forever can't find. he also cannot come out...same with the car never commit a crime thinking CCTV doesn't exist unless it's a one off
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amboi_asamboi
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Nov 22 2023, 12:28 PM
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I wash my own car
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jojolicia
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Nov 22 2023, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 10:45 AM) Kesian no insurance payout. Those who pannai pannai give car key to third-party like car wash guy, good luck. Insurance won't pay you. Same with VIP parking, giving car key to hotel car park guy. Gone with the wind. U can start saving money to pay your bank loan and apply another car loan for new car This is correct. Duty of care by the owner. Its in the policy This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 22 2023, 12:41 PM
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kamfoo
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Nov 22 2023, 12:35 PM
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Ezpz
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malaozhai
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Nov 22 2023, 12:38 PM
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Alot hidung pointing langit ppl like to go car cash or car salon place coz they think this place vy atas wan
Alot cases like this but car owner still ignore. Always think this type of incident wont happen to me wan
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hoonanoo
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Nov 22 2023, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(kopiride @ Nov 22 2023, 11:02 AM) Steal then drive in Kampong or ulu places. Forever can't find. use as bank robber getaway car
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hoonanoo
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Nov 22 2023, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(malaozhai @ Nov 22 2023, 12:38 PM) Alot hidung pointing langit ppl like to go car cash or car salon place coz they think this place vy atas wan Alot cases like this but car owner still ignore. Always think this type of incident wont happen to me wan I don't let anyone drive my car I drive my car into the wash myself
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cockyboy
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Nov 22 2023, 12:48 PM
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duno why, the last bit when he tried to shake hand with owner but left hanging, went to bro fist with worker only to hav the owner slowly realise no one know who the fuck the guy is before he cabut is damn hilarous
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zuozi
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Nov 22 2023, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(tolongking @ Nov 22 2023, 11:46 AM) Hybrid also ada engine mah...
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netflix2019
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Nov 22 2023, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 10:45 AM) Kesian no insurance payout. Those who pannai pannai give car key to third-party like car wash guy, good luck. Insurance won't pay you. Same with VIP parking, giving car key to hotel car park guy. Gone with the wind. U can start saving money to pay your bank loan and apply another car loan for new car I heard insurance ppl will ask for both keys to claim lost car. If u jilang the key together then u got lengthy battle ahead.
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Boomwick
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Nov 22 2023, 01:03 PM
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Wash ur own car la
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Nov 22 2023, 01:00 PM) I heard insurance ppl will ask for both keys to claim lost car. If u jilang the key together then u got lengthy battle ahead. Yup
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urnicksux2
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Nov 22 2023, 01:15 PM
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make another copy of key give to carwasher so if stolen u can show u got 2 orig keys with u when claim insurance
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ScooterBoi
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Nov 22 2023, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(kons @ Nov 22 2023, 11:07 AM) just spray new color and change car plate and get a fake roadtax for that... forever can't find Just change car plate enough dy. No need to fake the road tax sticker as it had gone digital. Change car plate, then can park it anywhere. Nobody can tell its fake plate or not, since no road tax on display to compare the plate number.
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GOPI56
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Nov 22 2023, 05:53 PM
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Ada Honda, Ada BJ from awek
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Roman Catholic
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Nov 22 2023, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(kons @ Nov 22 2023, 11:07 AM) just spray new color and change car plate and get a fake roadtax for that... forever can't find Don't even need a fake roadtax anymore.
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Roman Catholic
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Nov 22 2023, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(ScooterBoi @ Nov 22 2023, 05:00 PM) Just change car plate enough dy. No need to fake the road tax sticker as it had gone digital. Change car plate, then can park it anywhere. Nobody can tell its fake plate or not, since no road tax on display to compare the plate number. Thats what we want so that more cars can be stolen and never be found. Isn't it great or what ? Brilliant Loke.
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andrekua2
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Nov 22 2023, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 10:45 AM) Kesian no insurance payout. Those who pannai pannai give car key to third-party like car wash guy, good luck. Insurance won't pay you. Same with VIP parking, giving car key to hotel car park guy. Gone with the wind. U can start saving money to pay your bank loan and apply another car loan for new car Huh? U sure about this? Then those kena rompak, u gip key or not?
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:00 PM) Huh? U sure about this? Then those kena rompak, u gip key or not? Yup, u have to come with a good defense and backed with police report. But if polis find out you tipu, habis Kau lol
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andrekua2
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Nov 22 2023, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Nov 22 2023, 01:00 PM) I heard insurance ppl will ask for both keys to claim lost car. If u jilang the key together then u got lengthy battle ahead. Heard? U never claim dont simply tell story. My mom car was driven away when she was threaten with a knife before entering car. Claim done... Insurance will ask for the remaining keys.
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andrekua2
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Nov 22 2023, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:02 PM) Yup, u have to come with a good defense and backed with police report. But if polis find out you tipu, habis Kau lol Tipu apa? You can report loss car and as long as police finds no foul plays and give u keputusan cannot find, you can proceed with insurance claim. Whether or not insurance wanna let you claim, that is between u and insurance. What da hell does it involve police pulak? Police only there to find missing car.
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:03 PM) Heard? U never claim dont simply tell story. My mom car was driven away when she was threaten with a knife before entering car. Claim done... Insurance will ask for the remaining keys. U better read your insurance fine print. It already stated there
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:05 PM) Tipu apa? You can report loss car and as long as police finds no foul plays and give u keputusan cannot find, you can proceed with insurance claim. Whether or not insurance wanna let you claim, that is between u and insurance. What da hell does it involve police pulak? Police only there to find missing car. If the insurance feels Ur story is suspicious, they will report police. I worked in insurance company, I can this happens
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andrekua2
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Nov 22 2023, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:05 PM) U better read your insurance fine print. It already stated there U tak pernah claim better dont act like you knew everything. My mom gave her car key to the fella with a knife... Successful claim jugak.
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:08 PM) U tak pernah claim better dont act like you knew everything. My mom gave her car key to the fella with a knife... Successful claim jugak. Probably you are lucky, but doesn't mean your next claim will be like this. So many factor involves. Your is only one incident. Try asking your insurance agent la dei. 🤦 This post has been edited by RT8081: Nov 22 2023, 06:10 PM
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wawasan2200
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Nov 22 2023, 06:11 PM
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what to do if i lost 1 of my car key many years ago?
later claim insurance got issue?
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WaCKy-Angel
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Nov 22 2023, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 10:45 AM) Kesian no insurance payout. Those who pannai pannai give car key to third-party like car wash guy, good luck. Insurance won't pay you. Same with VIP parking, giving car key to hotel car park guy. Gone with the wind. U can start saving money to pay your bank loan and apply another car loan for new car Not true. Insurance will most likely payout
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 22 2023, 06:12 PM) Not true. Insurance will most likely payout I don't want to argue on this la. If you say they will pay, then ok lor. All I can tell it all depend on your scenario.
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WaCKy-Angel
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Nov 22 2023, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:09 PM) Probably you are lucky, but doesn't mean your next claim will be like this. So many factor involves. Your is only one incident. Try asking your insurance agent la dei. 🤦 Once ot twice no issue to claim. If many times insurer will check for fraud and blacklist u will never able to buy any more insurance after that.
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andrekua2
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Nov 22 2023, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:09 PM) Probably you are lucky, but doesn't mean your next claim will be like this. So many factor involves. Your is only one incident. Try asking your insurance agent la dei. 🤦 Follow the procedure and it will be long. If first time claim loss car due to theft, I dont think insurance will suspect foul plays. If multiple claims under same car owner, then of course will raise suspicion. Just follow the procedures, report police wait keputusan. Then submit claim... Then nego with insurance. The world is different now. Of course insurance can reject you but you can also bring them to court and ask them to prove it.
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 22 2023, 06:13 PM) Once ot twice no issue to claim. If many times insurer will check for fraud and blacklist u will never able to buy any more insurance after that. Usually they may pay and they will also do their own investigation. Because they also need to verify. Just because you claim, doesn't mean auto payment. They will also make a police report incase you made a fraudulent claim after they pay out. Source: ask your insurance agent
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:14 PM) Follow the procedure and it will be long. If first time claim loss car due to theft, I dont think insurance will suspect foul plays. If multiple claims under same car owner, then of course will raise suspicion. Just follow the procedures, report police wait keputusan. Then submit claim... Then nego with insurance. The world is different now. Of course insurance can reject you but you can also bring them to court and ask them to prove it. The last one I agree because you can always bring them to court but the onus to prove will be on you. Probably now they may be paying in advance kot. If yes, then so many things has change since I left my company This post has been edited by RT8081: Nov 22 2023, 06:17 PM
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WaCKy-Angel
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Nov 22 2023, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:05 PM) U better read your insurance fine print. It already stated there QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:06 PM) If the insurance feels Ur story is suspicious, they will report police. I worked in insurance company, I can this happens Ayam has a helang pren drive expensive car go racing racing end up exsiden u know racing cannot claim right? But he get to claim everytaim eksiden. Because he say if insurance dont pay he just bring all his business (his company's insurance) give to other insurance company. So whay ayam saying is those are just guidelines..as i said normally will payout unless found fraud
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likefunyouare
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Nov 22 2023, 06:23 PM
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Smooth criminal
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RT8081
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Nov 22 2023, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 22 2023, 06:22 PM) Ayam has a helang pren drive expensive car go racing racing end up exsiden u know racing cannot claim right? But he get to claim everytaim eksiden. Because he say if insurance dont pay he just bring all his business (his company's insurance) give to other insurance company. So whay ayam saying is those are just guidelines..as i said normally will payout unless found fraud Hnnngg dam good to be helang
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andrekua2
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Nov 22 2023, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 22 2023, 06:16 PM) The last one I agree because you can always bring them to court but the onus to prove will be on you. Probably now they may be paying in advance kot. If yes, then so many things has change since I left my company That claim is almost 12 years already. I think more than 12... That 2nd gen honda city with cvt. Anyway I have since learn a lot about how insurance work. Like my boss merc, sohai uncle without license operate a mobile crane without road tax and insurance (since never move what, but insurance for what). One lucky day, it fell down and landed on my boss merc. Many ppl said cannot claim, but one insurance agent said can. In the end, managed to claim, macam victory... But last2 company receive a lawyer letter from merc car insurer claiming our crane piap their mercedes (since you already transfer car to the insurer after total loss). Cant remember how much my boss paid later to settle outside the court. This post has been edited by andrekua2: Nov 22 2023, 06:33 PM
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pgsiemkia
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Nov 22 2023, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Nov 22 2023, 11:14 AM) Valet parking got few cases people impersonate as staffs, few time already car missing when checked valet operator say never have that description of staff working for them (or maybe cuci tangan statement lmao). High charisma people scam like that, high dexterity/intelligence people break into parked cars. High class valets got give receipts to owners in exchange for keys. However during busy time, valets not at their counter and drawer are unlocked so thief just take the car keys, the thieves also well dressed so doesn’t raise suspicion. I rarely give keys to valets unless to certain places like restaurants with their own perimeter fencing ie Hakka (opp Pavi), or places that I park in their valet parking and I pay the valet price but still hold my car keys.
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jojolicia
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Nov 22 2023, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 22 2023, 06:12 PM) Not true. Insurance will most likely payout Its true, if insurance co finds its one partof your negligence that led to the theft. They can deny claim. There is an exclusion on duty of care somewhere in the policy This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 22 2023, 07:38 PM
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Nov 22 2023, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 22 2023, 05:57 PM) Thats what we want so that more cars can be stolen and never be found. Isn't it great or what ? Brilliant Loke. Lots of people support. But they don't know background history why this piece of road tax paper becomes costly with hologram and finally comes with added security as a sticker that can self destruct when peeling it.
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machomama
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Nov 22 2023, 08:58 PM
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insurers - 3rd dirtiest unscrupulous institution
thief knew damn well he could trick his way into getting his way as we generally trust no one will cheat/steal like this
more n more bad hats mushrooming out of nowhere
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lovedota88
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Nov 22 2023, 11:05 PM
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my wife go mall wash car, then she ask me go pick up the car from car wash and park else where, i just go to the car wash and say kereta bini sy and pay rm20 they just pass me the car key without asking lol...
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SUSskyblu3
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Nov 22 2023, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(lovedota88 @ Nov 22 2023, 11:05 PM) my wife go mall wash car, then she ask me go pick up the car from car wash and park else where, i just go to the car wash and say kereta bini sy and pay rm20 they just pass me the car key without asking lol... You stay in condo ?
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ps3 fanboy
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Nov 24 2023, 09:27 AM
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jojolicia
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Nov 24 2023, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(machomama @ Nov 22 2023, 08:58 PM) insurers - 3rd dirtiest unscrupulous institution thief knew damn well he could trick his way into getting his way as we generally trust no one will cheat/steal like this more n more bad hats mushrooming out of nowhereBad hats are everywhere. Hope one is not at the wrong place wrong time kena targetted. How? Do more good deeds, help others in need more, hopefully we will be spared, misfortune will skirt around us (siam ar)
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TSkeybearer
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Nov 24 2023, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(ps3 fanboy @ Nov 24 2023, 10:27 AM) Thanks for the update.
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Chowda
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Nov 24 2023, 10:18 AM
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Shah Alam all the way to Kedah.
Really no rezeki up in the North these days?
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