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post Oct 11 2023, 09:46 AM, updated 3y ago

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A lot of Non-EV Car users (even not a Hybrid Car users) strongly/highly ... recommend/advice/persuade all to get a Hybrid for some of their own unique reasons here and there.

Instead, why not let EV Car Users tell us whether to stick on EV or Switch to Hybrid with the best reasons or consideration?!

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post Oct 11 2023, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 11 2023, 09:46 AM)
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A lot of Non-EV Car users (even not a Hybrid Car users) strongly/highly ... recommend/advice/persuade all to get a Hybrid for some of their own unique reasons here and there.

Instead, why not let EV Car Users tell us whether to stick on EV or Switch to Hybrid with the best reasons or consideration?!

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Depend what purpose of U r using the car for and do you stay with your family and your family have any petrol car ?
If ur job required you to travel long distance in car every week, then a petrol or hybrid car make sense.

R U or your family staying in condo ? or Landed ?
If your family already hv petrol car and over 90% of your time u use your car is for City drive, then u may still consider an EV.

So EV or Non EV, each person requirement and condition could be different. Petrol or Hybrid still good for long distance.

So good for your to do your own evaluation whether ur condition fit to get an EV not.

This post has been edited by sameday: Oct 11 2023, 10:18 AM
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post Oct 11 2023, 10:11 AM

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as Hybrid user, i do comparison with EV, Hybrid is still save a lot of money.
would probably recommend an EV for 2nd or 3rd car, but not as main vehicle.
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post Oct 11 2023, 10:12 AM

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Hybrid got the range (1000km) per full tank. You can used the Electric motor either give you more power / fuel saving mode but it comes with the highest maintainance cost. You still need service the car petrol engine, electric motor, electric generator, power control unit, and a power split device + Gearbox

2022 Toyota Prius XW60 in Japan.
The way I drive was Battery mode (60km) , until battery almost flat out, switch to engine mode (Recharge the battery until full) , then switch back to battery mode and drive 60km. sometimes need overtake car or need extra vroom vroom, used both engine & electric motor (220HP)

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post Oct 11 2023, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(sameday @ Oct 11 2023, 10:09 AM)
Depend what purpose of U r using the car for and do you stay with your family and your family have any petrol car ?
If ur job required you to travel long distance in car every week, then a petrol or hybrid car make sense.

R U or your family staying in condo ? or Landed ?
If your family already hv petrol car and over 90% of your time u use your car is for City drive, then u may still consider an EV.

So EV or Non EV, each person requirement and condition could be different. Petrol or Hybrid still good for long distance.

So good for your to do your own evaluation whether ur condition fit to get an EV not.
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Ok, thanks for the useful points! As your view, it seems Non-EV car still necessary as a standby car and not an good idea to have only 1 EV Car in a household?

QUOTE(awol @ Oct 11 2023, 10:11 AM)
as Hybrid user, i do comparison with EV, Hybrid is still save a lot of money.
would probably recommend an EV for 2nd or 3rd car, but not as main vehicle.
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Oh... so, Petrol still the most convenient at the moment la?

QUOTE(RegentCid @ Oct 11 2023, 10:12 AM)
Hybrid got the range (1000km) per full tank. You can used the Electric motor either give you more power / fuel saving mode but it comes with the highest maintainance cost. You still need service the car petrol engine, electric motor, electric generator, power control unit, and a power split device + Gearbox

2022 Toyota Prius XW60 in Japan.
The way I drive was Battery mode (60km) , until battery almost flat out, switch to engine mode (Recharge the battery until full) , then switch back to battery mode and drive 60km.  sometimes need overtake car or need extra vroom vroom, used both engine & electric motor (220HP)
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Ah... hybrid expensive maintenance, here's the point! Does it mean double the service cost (Petrol & EV Like)?
I remember a neighbor who owns a Civic Hybrid finally sold out because of Battery Kong. I still he only own for less than 5 yrs!

I thought it was Auto switch in between Petrol vs Battery mode, which means user cant decide!? As X90 seller mentioned... like below 40km it switches to Battery Mode and above 40km then I'll turn to Petrol Mode!

Wah... it an be Campur Guna the Petrol + Electric Motor 😲 never know!

So, you won't go for EV at the moment and highly recommend Hybrid?
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post Oct 11 2023, 09:07 PM

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Its pretty simple, does the current EV offering is able to fulfill your current mobility needs?
If not then don't get an EV.
Everyone has diffrent requirements.

QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 11 2023, 09:46 AM)
Hi,
A lot of Non-EV Car users (even not a Hybrid Car users) strongly/highly ... recommend/advice/persuade all to get a Hybrid for some of their own unique reasons here and there.

Instead, why not let EV Car Users tell us whether to stick on EV or Switch to Hybrid with the best reasons or consideration?!

Appreciate πŸ™πŸΌ
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post Oct 11 2023, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 11 2023, 07:19 PM)
Ok, thanks for the useful points! As your view, it seems Non-EV car still necessary as a standby car and not an good idea to have only 1 EV Car in a household?
Oh... so, Petrol still the most convenient at the moment la?
Ah... hybrid expensive maintenance, here's the point! Does it mean double the service cost (Petrol & EV Like)?
I remember a neighbor who owns a Civic Hybrid finally sold out because of Battery Kong. I still he only own for less than 5 yrs!

I thought it was Auto switch in between Petrol vs Battery mode, which means user cant decide!? As X90 seller mentioned... like below 40km it switches to Battery Mode and above 40km then I'll turn to Petrol Mode!

Wah... it  an be Campur Guna the Petrol + Electric Motor 😲 never know!

So, you won't go for EV at the moment and highly recommend Hybrid?
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Hybrid are way better than EV because you no need worry any range problem. 5 min full tank (Petrol). Go to mall or Airport, I park at Hybrid / EV spot, hassle free. New type of Hybrid Car are PHEV. You can charge your car like EV. Old Hybrid such as Civic Hybrid / Camry Hybrid / Honda Insight are non PHEV. Japanese hybrid car in Malaysia market are all non PHEV, so you can't park at EV car spot. biggrin.gif

Hybrid maintenance really really high and car after sales value very very low. If you plan to play play for few years then sell, forget about it. Every 10k need service the car like ICE car, my Prius in Japan service around Rm1-1.2k.
4-5 years need change car big Battery, Electric motor, Electric generator, Power control unit, and a power split device approx. Rm15k + Engine Part will be Timing Belt , Engine Water Pump + Gearbox Service another 5-7k (plus workmanship)

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post Oct 12 2023, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 11 2023, 08:19 PM)
Oh... so, Petrol still the most convenient at the moment la?

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yes. no range anxiety of EV that need to search for charging station at rural area.
my hybrid will be 6 years old next month.
at 110km still can use battery. not above 40km sure gonna be petrol/ICE mode.

QUOTE(RegentCid @ Oct 11 2023, 11:59 PM)
Hybrid are way better than EV because you no need worry any range problem.  5 min full tank (Petrol). Go to mall or Airport, I park at Hybrid / EV spot, hassle free. New type of Hybrid Car are PHEV. You can charge your car like EV. Old Hybrid such as Civic Hybrid / Camry Hybrid / Honda Insight are non PHEV.  Japanese hybrid car in Malaysia market are all non PHEV, so you can park at EV car spot.  biggrin.gif

Hybrid maintenance really really high and car after sales value very very low. If you plan to play play for few years then sell, forget about it.  Every 10k need service the car like ICE car, my Prius in Japan service around Rm1-1.2k. 
4-5 years need change car big Battery, Electric motor, Electric generator, Power control unit, and a power split device approx. Rm15k  + Engine Part will be Timing Belt , Engine Water Pump + Gearbox Service another 5-7k  (plus workmanship)
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my car service every 9 months or 15000km.
service more or less the same as ICE car, not that expensive.
the most i can get per tank is 1000km, average at 700-800km.
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post Oct 13 2023, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Oct 11 2023, 11:59 PM)
Hybrid are way better than EV because you no need worry any range problem.  5 min full tank (Petrol). Go to mall or Airport, I park at Hybrid / EV spot, hassle free. New type of Hybrid Car are PHEV. You can charge your car like EV. Old Hybrid such as Civic Hybrid / Camry Hybrid / Honda Insight are non PHEV.  Japanese hybrid car in Malaysia market are all non PHEV, so you can't park at EV car spot.  biggrin.gif

Hybrid maintenance really really high and car after sales value very very low. If you plan to play play for few years then sell, forget about it.  Every 10k need service the car like ICE car, my Prius in Japan service around Rm1-1.2k. 
4-5 years need change car big Battery, Electric motor, Electric generator, Power control unit, and a power split device approx. Rm15k  + Engine Part will be Timing Belt , Engine Water Pump + Gearbox Service another 5-7k  (plus workmanship)
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OMG! Which means user needs to service EV parts & ICE Parts, double the service cost?
No wonder my neighbor who drove Civic Hybrid sold after not more than 5 years!

QUOTE(awol @ Oct 12 2023, 08:30 AM)
yes. no range anxiety of EV that need to search for charging station at rural area.
my hybrid will be 6 years old next month.
at 110km still can use battery. not above 40km sure gonna be petrol/ICE mode.
my car service every 9 months or 15000km.
service more or less the same as ICE car, not that expensive.
the most i can get per tank is 1000km, average at 700-800km.
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6 years old Hybrid Car?! Wow... Any big problem? And so far. How's the maintenance cost in average? Estimating when will be the time to replace the battery? πŸ€ͺ



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post Oct 13 2023, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 13 2023, 12:17 AM)
6 years old Hybrid Car?! Wow... Any big problem? And so far. How's the maintenance cost in average? Estimating when will be the time to replace the battery? πŸ€ͺ
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maintenance cost from RM300+ to RM2000+ depend on the service schedule.
my milage is only about 77000km++. other user of the same car, reach 300,000km++ and the hybrid battery still working good.

but if talking about 12V normal battery, once every 2-3 years.
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post Oct 13 2023, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Oct 11 2023, 11:59 PM)
Hybrid are way better than EV because you no need worry any range problem.  5 min full tank (Petrol). Go to mall or Airport, I park at Hybrid / EV spot, hassle free. New type of Hybrid Car are PHEV. You can charge your car like EV. Old Hybrid such as Civic Hybrid / Camry Hybrid / Honda Insight are non PHEV.  Japanese hybrid car in Malaysia market are all non PHEV, so you can't park at EV car spot.  biggrin.gif

Hybrid maintenance really really high and car after sales value very very low. If you plan to play play for few years then sell, forget about it.  Every 10k need service the car like ICE car, my Prius in Japan service around Rm1-1.2k. 
4-5 years need change car big Battery, Electric motor, Electric generator, Power control unit, and a power split device approx. Rm15k  + Engine Part will be Timing Belt , Engine Water Pump + Gearbox Service another 5-7k  (plus workmanship)
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servis can apply installnent or not? or credit cards
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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 13 2023, 08:33 AM)
servis can apply installnent or not? or credit cards
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i dont know about installment, but can use credit card on service centre.
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QUOTE(awol @ Oct 13 2023, 08:39 AM)
i dont know about installment, but can use credit card on service centre.
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maybe jp is different. so i ask.
is a good idea for bankers also brows.gif
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post Oct 13 2023, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 13 2023, 08:50 AM)
maybe jp is different. so i ask.
is a good idea for bankers also brows.gif
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Thought Japanese 5 years change car, that's the time to skip those major repair and replacement
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post Oct 13 2023, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(awol @ Oct 13 2023, 08:20 AM)
maintenance cost from RM300+ to RM2000+ depend on the service schedule.
my milage is only about 77000km++. other user of the same car, reach 300,000km++ and the hybrid battery still working good.

but if talking about 12V normal battery, once every 2-3 years.
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As your experience, in terms of Money Save wise, Hybrid is best bet compared to ICE Car?
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 13 2023, 03:25 PM)
As your experience, in terms of Money Save wise,  Hybrid is best bet compared to ICE Car?
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Only if you do high mileage.
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 13 2023, 03:25 PM)
As your experience, in terms of Money Save wise,  Hybrid is best bet compared to ICE Car?
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proper Plug In Hybrid (PHEV) is the best of both world.
Hybrid (HEV) as second as it can extend the ICE range.
ICE is normal.

EV (BEV) not yet nearing HEV level. Yes, they said that low maintenance due to no engine fluid etc.
but the cost to own, the tax after tax free period, the special tyres, charging station for home, charging rate at public station... not money save at all.

example by soyacincau

https://soyacincau.com/2023/09/05/hyundai-i...poh-taiping-jb/

RM161.24 charging with 1st charge is free, cover 1236km.
RM164 is approximately 2 times my full tank and can cover Β±1600-1800km.
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QUOTE(dev/numb @ Oct 13 2023, 04:10 PM)
Only if you do high mileage.
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High Mileage means always outstation?

QUOTE(awol @ Oct 13 2023, 04:11 PM)
proper Plug In Hybrid (PHEV) is the best of both world.
Hybrid (HEV) as second as it can extend the ICE range.
ICE is normal.

EV (BEV) not yet nearing HEV level. Yes, they said that low maintenance due to no engine fluid etc.
but the cost to own, the tax after tax free period, the special tyres, charging station for home, charging rate at public station... not money save at all.

example by soyacincau

https://soyacincau.com/2023/09/05/hyundai-i...poh-taiping-jb/

RM161.24 charging with 1st charge is free, cover 1236km.
RM164 is approximately 2 times my full tank and can cover Β±1600-1800km.
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Appreciate your useful info & practical POV!
Regarding to PHEV, it seems the trend from now on ya?! In terms of Petrol First on Hybrid vs Battery First on PHEV, what about maintenance wise like both are equipped with ICE Engine, right? Then might double the maintenance cost for EV & Engine service like engine oil, coolant & radiator ... etc?
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 16 2023, 09:10 AM)
Appreciate your useful info & practical POV!
Regarding to PHEV, it seems the trend from now on ya?! In terms of Petrol First on Hybrid vs Battery First on PHEV,  what about maintenance wise like both are equipped with ICE Engine, right? Then might double the maintenance cost for EV & Engine service like engine oil, coolant & radiator ... etc?
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my service of hybrid car, compare to my brother ICE car, more or less cost the same. it is not double the cost.

the thing is, proper PHEV is no longer available. PHEV from europe, still put "performance" first rather than milage per tank. PHEV from asia seems dead and move on to full EV.
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QUOTE(awol @ Oct 16 2023, 09:16 AM)
my service of hybrid car, compare to my brother ICE car, more or less cost the same. it is not double the cost.

the thing is, proper PHEV is no longer available. PHEV from europe, still put "performance" first rather than milage per tank. PHEV from asia seems dead and move on to full EV.
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What I heard is the other way around β€” PHEV is the trend in Asia! Not sure.
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 16 2023, 06:40 PM)
What I heard is the other way around β€” PHEV is the trend in Asia! Not sure.
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May i know which model and manuf of phev still around?
More like most of them will focus on EV only moving forward.
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Oct 11 2023, 09:46 AM)
Hi,
A lot of Non-EV Car users (even not a Hybrid Car users) strongly/highly ... recommend/advice/persuade all to get a Hybrid for some of their own unique reasons here and there.

Instead, why not let EV Car Users tell us whether to stick on EV or Switch to Hybrid with the best reasons or consideration?!

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Been using 2012 Honda Insight for the past 10 years... Hybrid is much more suitable for Malaysians for the time being. Very hard to find a fast charging station outside a major highway or city... less time to refill your petrol than to charge up your batteries.

 

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