ok, confirm mali msia wor...




compare price in Thailand

is this gonna by bajaj oso like the ktm 390s and the bmw 310s??

I bet it's RM29,999.

yes made by bajaj, new engine,
not the dominar/390 engine...

You're right.
They're probably gonna price it higher than their RE counterpart since now it's under the same company.

Speed 400 for 29,999.99
Scrambler 400 for 35,999.99

Thais are getting theirs for less than 20k (their money)

Nah...cos I know the price It's all out war. Best company wins!

They really leaning on the branding to price that much. 35 k is in the 650cc twin category already.

at 35k, might as well wait for the Z650RS soon™. should be around 38~39k.

Whats the tentative price?
25k and 29k?

Good if it's priced under 40k

is it really coming? ask kawa people some say coming some say maybe

Wah, you know the price already ah?

I dunno.
I'm asking you since you said you know the price

i saw some fler sed scrambler 400x 29,999 lol...
dono tru ornot la, but triumph sa noe the price, blom announce to public oni...

This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 10 2023, 08:27 PM

You hit the nail 100%

People in triumph group are saying that price.
Speed 400 for 25999
Scrambler 400 for 29999

Triumph same price with KTM? Will sell like hotcakes....

It's gonna be cheaper than the new ktm 390 duke.
That new Duke with 400cc engine is priced at $32k now.

Offroad oriented 390 adventure is even more expensive.

From how I understand the new importers, their game is marketshare. This will fuel a strong market for servicing and parts, thus lowering parts cost due to volume. So, they're not going to make a lot on sales per bike. They also reduced RE prices when they took over. Good is that we will be getting more affordable branded bikes. Other oldschool bike importers have the thinking that they won't sell many units so, might as well price the bikes high with high margin and high parts pricing to match. I guess the Triumph and RE guys are taking a gamble with this strategy and I hope it pays off for them. In the end, the buyers win.

If the price not much different than Thai price, I'll buy one, for short weekend breakfast trip.

That's the business model for stuff like printers, where the printers themselves serve almost as loss leaders and the real profit margin is in the consumables. Doesn't work with bikes tho, as the importer will only enjoy limited profit from certain consumables during the warranty period. Parts will still be under warranty, which means there's no money to be made there. They can only make money from parts outside the warranty period, and even then they won't be the only source for parts. And big bikes simply don't command the volume to drive the sale of parts for the business to depend on. So overall, this kind of approach is too much to hedge your bet on if you're a business.

Bottom line, old-fashioned market share leading to profit from bike sales is still where it's at. Bike sales have a multiplier effect as they build brand equity and loyalty which create a sales loop when customers upgrade to a bigger or newer model. Triumph is starting to realize this, hence its strategic collaboration with Bajaj to develop accessible lower cc offerings to entice new and younger riders (esp those in Asia) into its ecosystem who have all the years ahead of them as potentially loyal fanboys.

And it is for this exact same reason that Harley is struggling, as it had spent decades building its brand around the older demographic that has a limited lifespan as customers which hurts bike sales. It is forced to rely on disgustingly fat margins per bike, but without that sales loop it's hard to have a future. Bike brands need new and younger riders to drive sales and keep them going.

Gps 143km/h @ ~9k rpm....

This post has been edited by basilisk: Nov 22 2023, 08:03 PM

https://www.facebook.com/groups/13843451087...mibextid=Nif5oz

Seems there's a lot more to what was reported in this story...

Read about it here :

https://www.topspeed.com/spied-triumph-400c...7VQlbFwGY5MP2nw

IF it does come...would anyone be interested in this? And, hmmm, the million-dollar question...how much would it probably sell for? 400 cc single, liquid cooled. What would it compete with?

RE Hunter 350 & Scram 411 are the most direct competitors under RM30k, in which case it would come down to the perceived value of the logo on the tank coz there's no point buying this type of bike for its performance specs. Other 400cc singles like BMW G310 & KTM Duke 390 are above that and they don't have the timeless retro charm.

Me, if I wanted a retro-looking bike at that price, I'd look at a used RE Interceptor 650.... but I'm biased coz I'm such a sucker for 270-deg twins.

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Jan 21 2024, 01:30 AM

anyone bought speed 400 at Rm26900?

Been eyeing on this bike as well. Any reviews?

Best place will be indian bike forum team bhp.

I test ride both the scrambler 400 and the speed 400 recently.

The speed is very light on its feet, good balance, narrow making it a perfect city commuter bike. Looks good to boot as well. Power wise, it's to be expected of a 400, which worded mildly, sufficient for city ride. Highway rides may be asking a bit too much if you plan to cruise comfortably at 150. Vibrations are quite well controlled. Build quality and fit and finish is the best out of India so far.

My only beef is the throttle maps are very very conservative. Makes for an easy smooth ride but kills some of the engine characteristics of a single. Low end grunt.


My choice would be the scrambler though. Feels like a more substantial bike. It does have a taller 830mm seat, but the seat is narrow so not has hard to get your feet down. It's significantly taller than the 790mm seat on the speed 400 which I can flat foot with my 166cm height.

If you plan on doing mostly highway runs, better look to get something with more than 1 cylinder.


I would still avoid the comparable REs given the price they go for here. The older Himalayan and scram 411 is very underpowered, and the new water-cooled 450s are not here yet....don't mind them if they are cheap...but not for the price they are here. Much better bikes to be had.

I'm planning to use it as my daily bike to work (KL). Do you think Scrambler still better than Speed in traffic jams, etc?

sounds like india build issue..

The service interval for Triumph Speed 400 is at 16K KM

impressive or asking for trouble?

Msia mentality is 5k km oni ler... lol

If just solely for city ride. The smaller speed4 is better. Narrower handlebar and lower seat height. 30mm and 40mm less each dimension. Easy to flat foot 2 feet.

30mm width less than the scrambler may not seem much, but at 790mm wide, it's still wider than most kapchais...mostly less than 700mm if you plan to cilok like a kapchai.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: May 21 2024, 01:13 PM

Manufacturer suggest every 16K KM.
Dealer suggest every 10K KM.

Thanks for the info. Will definitely go with the Speed.

Good write up for the Speed 400. The RE Hunter 350 looks nice but is way too underpowered for the asking price.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/advice/group...78OBo42A46K_s5y

I am still contemplating between the new 400/X vs the 2nd hand 6 years old Twin 900 for a little bit more. Been reading the posts in FB group and it seems that the bike surely have a big QA issues but the one sold here seem to be assembled in Thailand, though the parts still coming ftom Bajaj plant. Get assured that those teething problems are easily resolved but these bikes were launched last year in India, so they should have resolved many of the issues ain't it?

street twin 900 is definitely better.. bigger cc = more fun and its 270 degree crank brap brap sound will make you smile
i like bonneville t100 when I tested it which use the same engine

I doubt they will identify or resolve much quality issues with assemblies if the bike doesn't sell...

Well Triumph doesn't just sell the 400 in India. I'm sure there is some management oversight to make sure the new bike meets triumph standards.

Ironically Bajaj doest even show up on the list... Save for the KTMs built by them. I am surprised the Pulsars didn't even make the list......

Like I said, the fit and finish is still the best coming out of India.... Befitting of the triumph brand name. You compare the frame welds on the triumph to my dominar and it is night and day...lol.

Likewise, RE has been trying to improve on its newer models as well.

You will appreciate the extra oomph of the bigger twin. Especially on the highway. It's a relaxed ride. Rode the scrambler 900 before. Lots of low rpm grunt. 1st and 2nd gear is tall. But you only have 5 gears.

if anything, bigger CC is the way to go

mark my words "bigger CC bikes is easier to go slow than a smaller CC"
haha

Naaaaah, U won't go slow on a big cc bikes or a big bike for that matter.

It would only feel slow. Going 130 is like 80 on a kapchai.

Hahaha

yeah, you get it, like wringing the throttle on a 250cc~400cc to go top speed, then comes a 900~1200cc that just chugs along

I’m in dilemma either the 400 or go directly to 900.
Some sifus say why bother start 400c when u know you are going to upgrade anyway.

My concern conti bike is on the maintenance & parts as i’m in east coast.

if you are worried about conti bike 400 or 900 also doesnt matter.
tbh if you take care of it properly, don't left it not riding for more than a month should be fine.

triumph 400 is new platform, if you want reliability 900 is the better choice since it has been proven to be good.