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post Oct 23 2007, 04:58 PM, updated 19y ago

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After much thoughts, I brave my cheeky self to open this thread along with all the experienced photographers and state of the art gears.
I'm just a newbie with my first compact camera trying to shoot and learn to utilize every bits of it before I buy my own DSLR, if I still find myself in the hobby and I'm ready for it. Like how I decide to move from my camera phone to my current cam.

I do realize that post-processing is pretty much as important as the shooting skill. I've been playing with the photoshop brightness, contrast, curve, shadow, highlight function lately but hard to find a compromise point between reality and pretty. So there will many questions of "is it looks real" to you for those pictures with some editing. Learning the photoshop now for some light editing and framing to add marks for my picture.

Comments and critics are very much welcome and please please please help me with my various questions.
Hope I don't get ignore because of my lousy cam and boring pictures, tell me how can I improve instead.
Thanks.

Here are some attempts when I first got my camera, before I sort out my Beijing trip and Zoo Negara pictures.

LRT near my house.
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Some tree and sky.
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The 6. are slightly edited to reveal "highlight" on the sky part.
I realized that the tree part will get dark shadow because of the bright sky behind it.
My limited knowledge tell me that I should use a lower f number and I did it.
I got more tree and leaves details now but that made the background overexposed and lose the beautiful blue sky and clouds.
Picture. 7 is a total failure. The sky became white paper and cannot recover by photoshop but I like how the tree looks like.

I did not get till a point that balance of details and exposure but I hope the photoshop editing is ok.
What do you think? Or I should not edit at all.
I was in a car park waiting for my friends that time. tongue.gif



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post Oct 23 2007, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(sharkware @ Oct 23 2007, 05:18 PM)
Your pics are fine for a newbie

Try using the Rules of Third during compositing, before you snap a picture.

Maybe you can try Foreground framing, and leading lines.

Keep the histogram nicely positioned, dont worry about dark images, just dont hit the spike which is the 230-255 in the histogram. (itll make your image over exposed)
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Just did a wiki of the Rules of Third and feel shameful I don't know about this before.
Very much agree to it after seeing all the examples. rclxms.gif
Are there rules of first or second or forth for me to read up? I cannot seems to find it.

Will try to understand foreground framing and leading lines, is it something of the composition too or the depth of field.

And for the histogram, Isn't it will only be generated after the picture was taken? Or was it a feature that you can see the histogram while shooting/focusing?
Or should I shoot and refer to the histogram, then adjust, then shoot again until the I see a nice "bukit" shape on the histogram?
Sorry if my question sound stupid.

Here are some macro pictures which still far from satisfy, but I'm like cannot get it better after many tries.
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I'm trying to focus on the whole screen instead of just the carapace(head) part are clear and leave the legs blurry.
Try with the macro mode and manual focus mode but still either I get to focus on the legs or or the body.

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post Oct 24 2007, 12:48 PM

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Any taiko care to teach me how could I focus the whole object (my spider) on the macro shoot.
Can lighting help? I'm struggling to put a bigger f number but it will be too underexposed.
I try not to use the flash in this situation as it is placed on a angle that will be blocked by the protruding lense. A close shot with the flash on will result a dark corner on the right bottom. I wonder other Canon A710 users have this problem?

Plus I don't feel natural with the flash light in such close distance. My tarantulas look shiny.

QUOTE(leetplayer @ Oct 23 2007, 08:02 PM)
love your tarantulas man smile.gif
Keep up the good work.
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Would like to see yours too when I'm back in Penang.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 24 2007, 04:46 AM)
well your newbie digital compact shots ARE an example of how people should use their camera.

at least you didn't snap lens cap or mug, some people just like to cincai snap and post - nothing to show, waste people's time.

yours shots are good! keep it up!
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Well actually I'm guilty of shooting ceiling fans and flowing water taps to test out the shutter speed on the first few nights.
I'm too excited with the camera and haven't ever play with aperture, ISO and shutter speed prior to that. laugh.gif
But of course those are try out shots that not worth posting.
Will keep shooting whenever I can until I got really bored with it.

QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 24 2007, 11:38 AM)
that just sounds exactly like me laugh.gif

your shots are great...
i like how you post process it to make it look so dramatic...
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I couldn't grasp the idea of dramatic but thanks a lot on the compliment. notworthy.gif
Reading through your gallery too and would like to do a mini studio for my tarantula too.

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post Oct 24 2007, 03:27 PM

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Thanks for all the inputs.
Will go through you guys gallery when free.
Learn to see from more angle and direction.

QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Oct 24 2007, 12:54 PM)
Honestly not bad for a newbie like u. But i would love u to not rely too much on post processing and try to capture ur best shot frm ur cam, rather than relying on editing.

Looking forward for ur next batch of pics. smile.gif
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Yeah, I feel like cheating a bit with photoshop but I can't help myself to not doing it. smile.gif
Almost all of my editing is "+10" or "+20" contrast or "-30" shadow.
I like the "after" more but sometimes look back its feel unnatural so right now I keep trying on my photos till my eyes can spot till a level I won't overdone it.
But nonetheless I will still try my best to capture the best from tweaking the cam.
Don't know when is the next outing but I still have bunch of pics haven't uploaded.

QUOTE(aaltong @ Oct 24 2007, 01:32 PM)
If you want the whole subject (the spider) to be sharp, you have no choice but to use smaller aperture(big f number), maybe f11 or f16 would be good enough. Then reduce your shutter speed to get the correct exposure.
However, if shutter speed too low, your subject might be blur unless it keep still and not moving around.
If that the case, then you can up your ISO, so that your shutter speed can be faster.
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Gotta slowly try out on this.
Yeah, the reading materials on the net tell me to slower the shutter but avoid any shaking in between. The subject is nice enough to stay still for me but me hands is kinda shaky.
Trying to hang it with my mini tripod but it won't allow me to bend closer to the subject.
Too bad my camera don't allow such small aperture size. But will try with the combination of aperture, shutter speed and ISO all together.

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post Oct 24 2007, 07:18 PM

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My trip to Beijing. 天坛。A place the ancient emperor worship the god of sky.
Really I wasted the good chances of this very unique place and the good weather.
It was my first time holding a camera during a trip and the tour guide basically rushed us like sheep.
I feel like running around with the tour and struggling to take photo over the crowd's head, and by the same time listening to the tour's explanation. mad.gif
Would have think more and adjusted to better setting if given some times but I promise my gf to shot a lot of pictures for her to see.
So i just dont care so much, shoot whatever I can in the times given.
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post Oct 25 2007, 03:03 PM

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Fantastic shot of the ceiling fan.
How can you blur the background this much, I try with my biggest aperture 2.8 but the background still very visible.
And for shot like this, for sure i have to use tripod?

Continue from the same place.

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C & C for this batch please.
Be mean if you have to.

Btw, can someone show me how you would crop picture 13.
I feel like the left side distracting.

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post Oct 26 2007, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 25 2007, 03:53 PM)
believe it or not, she was using hand. smile.gif the fan was decently fast, lighting not that dark yet. late afternoon i think.


Added on October 25, 2007, 3:57 pm
#11 would be nicer if you don't cut the tip off.
#12 no subject, might as well shoot the front of the statue
#13 the idea is there, try to avoid the other distraction like on the left
#14 is nice. have to play around with exposure a little. perhaps even composing it to avoid the humans.
#15 just a snapshot
#16 just another snapshot but I believe with proper composing something could come out of it.
#17 ... no idea. composition la.
#18 ... just another snapshot but has potential.
#19 just another snapshot
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Oct 25 2007, 09:31 PM)
From ur pics in bejing i believe u can do alot better with a DSLR. As what goldfries mentioned, most of teh pics r snapshot frm a normal ps camera. Sorry to say that but u need to work alot on the compo. wink.gif
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Yeah, I feel boring after looking at other's gallery and looking back at mine. The composition is weak but I was pretty helpless that time rushing around and trying to avoid the crowd.
Okay, let's just admit I'm still too noob. nod.gif

Maybe DSLR will help a little but certainly will be underutilized by me. I will not go there unless I satisfy with what I can do with my P&S.

Will look for inspiration and go shoot again.

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post Oct 29 2007, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(goliath @ Oct 26 2007, 10:33 AM)
That's the ugly side of going on tour. Because tour guides will rush the hell of their groups from one place to another but dump them at souvenir shops for hours because they get commission from the sales the shop made... tongue.gif
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That's very true.
Countless of souvenir, herbs, tea shops for hours.
Visited 2 shopping plaza for 3 times EACH for excuses like dinner, go toilet before long journey, waiting for nearby park to open, and to stop by for toilet again, which lasted 1 and half hour. OMG.

Let's not forget that they arrange pretty decent hotels which located at ulu places so you get no access to normal shops, to make sure you won't find out their so called recommended shops are overpriced and most importantly they don't receive any commission from you.


My last trip to zoo negara.
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post Oct 31 2007, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(leetplayer @ Oct 30 2007, 08:25 PM)
I love that elepahnt shot man! Good work.. but some picture have high contrast smile.gif
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Yeah, it was so hard to get it pose for me.
Hands are everywhere trying to feed the fella and sometimes it got some water coming out from the trunk.
I wish I can freeze it and get closer to the trunk and blur the background more.

QUOTE(~rainNshine~ @ Oct 30 2007, 10:39 PM)
Nice shots you have in your gallery. I like the macro shot of your tarantulas  thumbup.gif
Your PS skill is good too!
I also happen to have the same camera as you but disappointing photography skill  cry.gif
Maybe 1 day I have the courage to open a gallery for the sifu here to C&C  biggrin.gif
Keep up the good work!  rclxms.gif
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Thanks, glad that you like them.
I don't have any skills at all to talk about, just that I try to shoot as many as I can and learn from that.
You can post your shots here if you dont mind.

QUOTE(aceejay @ Oct 30 2007, 11:45 PM)
your first shot is the best but sadly..other pic kindda give bit of noise into the scene ..good try anyway thumbup.gif
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The noise is deteriorated by the resizing program but most of the shots are far distance zoom except the first one and fifth one.

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post Oct 31 2007, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(julchin_09 @ Oct 31 2007, 12:53 PM)
Wah Hong. I didn;t know you had an interest in photography. Hey, LIke that this coming CNY, We go Penang Hill and Ferringhi again lar.... smile.gif Not forgetting the city area....

Some of you pics have good compositions. The camera may be limited in functions and settings to give the pictures that extra impact a DSLR Can but I can see you have the idea already. Get the best out of the camera and spend less time in the digital darkroom a.k.a PS. But good job with the pics and keep them coming.

p:s I like the elephant pic......
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How could I not after seeing everyone's masterpiece.
But I was initially buy it for shooting macro of my T but end up it wasn't really shoouitable in indoor condition.
I couldn't get the whole T on focus with the max f8.0 and moreover it will certainly go underexposed.
The flash in so close distance is too harsh and it will create a stupid dark corner at the bottom right because of the protuding lense barrel blocking it. Increase the shutter will blur the subject and my tripod couldn't bend to the right distance and right angle. Aihhh.. I'm like dont know how to proceed. I'm thinking of a way to shoot again with the help of external light source and reflection.

I'd love to go Penang Hill and Batu Ferringhi for a try especially if you are there to guide me.
No idea how to shoot at people, building, and the city area fast moving environment.
I personally think that is the hardest part but I don't mind following you around and see the result as an experience and inspiration.
If you have got the time we can try our luck at pantai keracut waiting for turtle to come ashore.

QUOTE(NonBlooD @ Oct 31 2007, 01:10 PM)
like me 2.. = =


Added on October 31, 2007, 1:16 pmzoo negara photos... smile.gif

1. Pics are too flat, try reduce the aperture like f4 or f5.. smile.gif
2. I think its bit noisy rite?...hi ISO?...

but i think the real thing that cause the photo bcome like that is the way u post process it, did u increase the shadow area in curve?...dont increase too much cos u will make the dark parts become very noisy, try do it when u shot that time.. smile.gif the curve also make u lost some details and the color i guess cos its bit dull..

just my 2 cents.. tongue.gif still learning too.. ^.^

P/s : try shot the side with light falls on not shadow fall on, most of ur shots the shadow is in front so it makes the object darker... smile.gif

hope this helps...if dont then let me know.. XD
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I'm sorry but can you elaborate more on how you see that it is flat or non-flat.
Very interested to learn about this.

And yes, I increase the shadow area using photoshop and obviously I failed since everyone noticed the noise.
Will keep trying on different side of light and shadow. Thanks for the useful remind
I have a bad habit of avoiding light because my photoshop experience tell me I can fix the under area but not the over area, which I really shouldn't.


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post Oct 31 2007, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(NonBlooD @ Oct 31 2007, 06:03 PM)
flat as in the color blend into the back ground...if u having this exposure problem, try over expose your photo +1 or +2 then later go into computer reduce it cos if its under expose n when u increase it all noise come out...i try to do 1 editing on my fav photo from u.. smile.gif nice shots and angle...very good for compac cam.. ^.^

P/s : hope u dun mind i edit it without permission.. tongue.gif wanna test test... smile.gif
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Show me, please.
You are doing me great favor.
And if you or any taikor dont mind, show me how you would crop no.13 in my beijing pics.


ADDED: Hey, how you do that?
I mean how the color become like...... blend or blur or dont know how to describe it.
More of a dreamland feel, like a layer of fog.

QUOTE(julchin_09 @ Oct 31 2007, 06:13 PM)
Oh.... I didn;t know at f8 you won't get the whole spidey in focus? Last time when I used the POwershot S3 it seemed ok at least for me. Though the flash for sure won't work unless you find a way to bounce it off white card and diffuse it. Alternatively use a table lamp as your light source. icon_rolleyes.gif

Pantai Keracut is the Ranger patrolled beach right? Yea, it would be nice to go there but Im guessing it has to be either in the wee hours of the morning or an overnight thing. We can plan that no biggie, but since last trip we went to Ferringhi and the fact that I missed the chance to go up Penang Hill... this time really got to go. Oh and that huge dam after the butterfly farm. There's waterfalls there right? We should go there..... rclxm9.gif
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Maybe I wasn't try it hard enough.
We will see how we can work out that time.
For waterfalls, we can try the one in Bukit Hijau, nearer to Kulim and cleaner.
I like it there instead of Penang one with teh tarik color.

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post Nov 6 2007, 05:44 PM

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Thanks nonblood and I like your Wat Pho shots. Show us more please.

Here some update. My exercise trip to Taman Pertanian with my college mates. We rented a bicycle each but only gone through roughly half of the places.

1. Pony's breakfast
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3. Wanna try something other than the usual close out macro shots. Satisfied with how it turned out despite it is not very noticeable and normal looking compare to other flamboyant blossoms.
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4. Inside the four season house.
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5. Could have find a better background, but it was too late when I got the idea.
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6. A view from the tower. really nice view but I just dont know how to present it in better way. I will go back for more shots of this.
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7. This is copy pasta from inspired by ryan_c, note the caption. I really admire his works.
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8. Another shot inspired by ryan_c, my first try out on B&W.
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9. I purposely blur it during that time because I'm knew what I'm gonna do with it.
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post Nov 13 2007, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(orenzai @ Nov 7 2007, 10:16 AM)
quite nice shots there smile.gif
only thing i would comment about is the last pic. The top left part is blown.
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Yeah, that part is the bright sky contrary to the tree.

QUOTE(szyap @ Nov 7 2007, 11:52 AM)
only pic #5 and #8 are interesting  smile.gif
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Thanks.
Will try to think more to get my composition more interesting.
And I like your pictures in your blog too.
Where are you? seems like wester country.

 

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