this SE invest will gv u a account at emallempire.com n also a package for calling to anywhere for free leh...
any1 try the calling b4 ??

I know it's hard to believe, I also guess I'm fool by Singapore SE marketing manager, but i have asking around my neighbour to check at Singapore, I dunno how truth izzit, but alot of singaporian knew this...

I'm not try to fool anyone at here, as those money is yours, we cannot force anyone to join us, why can't just peace and discuess this topic?

SE is not a investment company, just have some of members using wrong explain to their prospect, said that once you buy and join members, monthly you will get money, this is the most fast way to explain to their prospect, but this is the wrong way.

Reply though your question
1) I with my parents go KPDN check ourself
2) SE not collecting any investment funds before, i with my parents join SE almost one year, SE started at August 2006. im just a kid from kampung negeri - pahang
3) Sorry i didn't mention about previous post, but just one of Singapore bank short of money, mostly SE will suggest going which bank to get withdrawal, like Malaysia lots of members is using EON bank. SE is not forced to black list, just a warning to public only.

I know it my reply sound like childish, thinking is like a kid, so i still learning my and try get more knowledge...
hmm, r u a sunshine member too?

whether you believe or not, i just telling what the info i get from myself, u have ur own decision whether to trust it or deny it...

MAS have put SE in investor alert list, not just because of large amount, is alots of singaporean have join SE, MAS scare that whether SE izzit another scam company only put it on alert list...

This post has been edited by happy4ever86: Nov 11 2007, 09:04 PM

the calling service is from Emcom, alliance of EGA group...
monthly will have USD $75 airtime for you ....
usually i use this service call to foreign country like UK...

You also find hard time to believe the excuse, right? We are not flaming at individual nor have quarrel here, most are very nice and being quite peaceful to have proper discussion. Just as you said, it is money in stake, can't be fool around which might have significant financial implication for some that's why we care and ask question and raise some doubt if something is not making sense.

MLM is a legitimate business, any country authority won't list someone into alert list just because of MLM business or too many want to join the MLM.

Just be careful.
It looks uncannily similiar to a Ponzi scam.

Still in stomach ache stage...
Not yet pang sai.
Don't know can tahan until when.

Msg have been deleted , haha

in this topic ,
i will like to say any human that already joined SE having problem can ask me , any dizzy man tat arent sure wat's going on can ask me
please i wil not reply any flame or nonsense, only those with positive sense

u know but do you understand? if u wish to, yes im here .
in or yet in SE are welcome .

reminder - we are not investment :S

if jus IF im able to give answer that you seek are u willing to be in this business or least particate some venture then yes do msg me
if no then skip it , heh .

No problem is a problem no question cant be answer .
Good or Bad u decide .
Jus a helping hand + business ! haha ~

This post has been edited by GimGim: Nov 19 2007, 02:24 AM

SE not abt investment then abt what ???

I thought this thread already dead. Since it is up again, you may want to know Spore Govt is officially moving in to investigate the company. All these are reported in the Spore Press

MLM FIRM INVESTIGATED
'Man in black' guards office door

Toa Payoh office closed, visitors refused entry, people inside seen packing
SORRY we are closed. Come back at 7pm or the next day.

By Hedy Khoo
15 November 2007

SORRY we are closed. Come back at 7pm or the next day.

This was what visitors to Sunshine Empire's office were told yesterday.

Inside, people could be seen packing and sealing boxes.

Yesterday, police announced that the Commercial Affairs Department (CAD) is investigating the multi-level marketing (MLM) firm, which is located in Toa Payoh HDB Hub.

CAD might also ask those who have placed money with the firm to help in investigations.

Sunshine Empire has reportedly attracted 20,000 people here since it was set up last July.

In September, the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) placed the firm on its investor alert list. The list, which is updated regularly, warns people of unauthorised companies which may be offering products regulated by MAS.

A few months back, Malaysia's Securities Commission had also put the firm on its alert list.

When The New Paper visited Sunshine Empire's 7th-storey office yesterday, the glass doors to the back entrance were locked.

At the front entrance, the doors, though unlocked, were kept closed.

Several men in office attire were packing what appeared to be files and papers into boxes and sealing them.

At about 1pm, people who wanted to enter the office were turned away.

A middle-aged couple who tried to go in were told by a man in a black suit that the office was closed for the day.

He told them to return at 7pm or the next day.

When they asked for an explanation, he was overheard telling them that the management was helping with investigations. Later, he told them the management was helping with a survey.

Twenty minutes later, a group of four women turned up.

This time, two women in black suits told the visitors the office was closed, that all classes were cancelled for the day, and told them to return at 7pm.

When the visitors refused to leave and continued probing, one of the women in black answered her impatiently in Mandarin: 'The office is closed. Nobody is here except some managers. You can come back at 7pm when we will open for business as usual.'

NO COMMENT

Half an hour later, the man in black who had been seen earlier returned to stand in front of the entrance.

When The New Paper approached him for an interview, he politely replied that he could not comment.

Multi-level marketing companies are legal here, and they usually invite people to pay cash for the right to market goods to other people, or they get cash for recruiting other marketers.

Sunshine Empire came under the spotlight when it also offered high profits without members having to buy or sell products. This makes its business model seem like a pure financial investment scheme.

Police advise those who have invested in the company to wait for further updates from CAD.

More information will be released in due course.

Copyright, 2007, Singapore Press Holdings Limited

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Added on November 19, 2007, 10:29 amThe so called investment by SE

SUNSHINE EMPIRE SAGA
NO SUCH DEALS?
THE affairs of some companies linked to Sunshine Empire have come under the spotlight again, this time in Taiwan.
New Paper, The (Singapore)
By Hedy Khoo
19 November 2007

THE affairs of some companies linked to Sunshine Empire have come under the spotlight again, this time in Taiwan.

An 'affiliated company' of SunshineEmpire, Empire Communications Technology (Emcom), has claimed on its website that it plans to invest more than $20million in a broadband project there.

The company, whose registered office is at the Toa Payoh Hub, has 'invested heavily into Taiwan' to build 'a seamless wireless broadband that will cover more than 95 per cent of the city of Taichung'.

It claimed that the project will be completed by the end of this year.

However, a check with the Information Management Section of the Department of Planning of the Taichung City Government showed noevidence of this.

Ms Huang Hui-Ming, chief of the section, told The New Paper on Sunday that Emcom does not have any partnership with the Taichung City government.

She said the company had never contacted its department regarding the broadband project.

Ms Huang noted that while it is true that the city's government plans to build a wireless Internet network, it is part of a project proposed by the Industrial Development Bureau of Taiwan's Ministry of Economic Affairs.

And this government-initiated project is being handled by Asia Pacific Telecom Group (APTG).

Ms Huang said: 'After contacting APTG about Emcom, we understand that EmCom is not involved in the government-funded M-Taichung project.

'As for other plans, such as Emcom's wireless network construction in Taichung, we at the city government cannot confirm itsauthenticity.'

On Sunshine Empire's website, EmCom is listed as an affiliate company.

The Taiwanese official's comment comes in the wake of a Commercial Affairs Department (CAD) probe into the affairs of Sunshine Empire.

Earlier, Sunshine Empire made news when the Monetary Authority of Singapore placed the company on its investor alert list in September.

Malaysia's Securities Commission also put Sunshine Empire on its investor alert list a few months ago.

While it maintains that it is not an investment company, some of its potential members have said that they were told that they could get returns of up to $96,000 in eight years if they put $12,000 into the company.

They claimed they were also shown various business 'projects' that a company, Empire Property Venture, is supposedly involved in, including a Malacca Empire Marine Theme Park and A Magic Kingdom theme park inSabah.

Empire Property Venture is listed as an affiliate of Sunshine Empire on the latter's website. But in an e-mail response to The New Paper on Sunday, Sunshine Empire's Asia Pacific president Jackie Hoo Choon Cheat said the two companies are 'legally unrelated'.

The CAD is now asking Sunshine Empire members to wait for further updates from the authorities and hope they can come forward to help in the investigation.

The authorities in Malacca and Sabah had earlier told The New Paper on Sunday that they have no information on the existence of theseprojects.

'NO PROPOSALS'

When contacted, the Mayor of the Malacca City Council, Datuk Zaini Md Nor, said that to date, they had not received any proposals for such a theme park there.

He added that he had received an application in August for the approval of a plan by Empire Property Venture to build a commercial and residential building of 510 units on 0.87 ha of land (slightly larger than a football field). But this project has not been approved.

The mayor added: 'If any developer begins building without approval from the City Council, we will put a stop toit. It is illegal to build without approval.'

This, however, has not stopped Empire Property Venture from supposedly marketing this development, as well as Empire Theme Park Service Suites and Empire Marina Villas, which are part of the Malacca Empire Marine Theme Park.

According to Empire Property Venture's website, the construction of the theme park and the Sunshine Villa project in Malacca was expected to begin about two months after the ground-breaking event on 9 Sep.

Each project has its own link to its price list and booking status.

That's not all - the company has also put up the Sunshine Villa project's blueprint on its website, indicating that 317 of the project's 510 units have even been sold.

The price of these units ranges from RM100,000 ($43,000) to RM300,000.

When contacted, a receptionist at the Sunshine Empire office in Toa Payoh Hub said the properties were available to the public.

However a receptionist who answered a call made to the Malaysian office of the Empire Property Venture International said the units of all the properties were only available to Sunshine merchants or members.

She said interested buyers had to go to the Sunshine Empire office in Singapore to sign up as a member before getting access to their merchant website to make the purchase of the properties online.

She also said that more than 300units of Sunshine Villa have been sold, with the seaview units fully booked.

When asked if there were any showflats available for viewing, the woman said there were none, but brochures were available online.

She also said there were units available for a higher-end project in Kuala Lumpur called the Empire State Tower.

The brochure on the company's website describes this development to be 'the most prestigious residential address right in the heart of the Golden Triangle Business District of Kuala Lumpur'.

This project which is supposed to be built on Jalan Tun Razak, purportedly has 290 units available for sale, with 147 units shown as 'sold' on the online price list.

However, a check with the City Hall of Kuala Lumpur revealed that no such project is in the works at present.

A spokesman said: 'City Hall Kuala Lumpur has not received any application for a property to be developed at Jalan Tun Razak called the Empire State Tower.'

Copyright, 2007, Singapore Press Holdings Limited

This post has been edited by cuebiz: Nov 19 2007, 10:29 AM

All the SE investors must be more careful!!! SE nearly to the dead end.

so how the status now?? did ther close?? anyone know about it??

Because i know their monthly payment become less now, will be announced next month. And their GP increase price too.

I told you. Now pang sai already.
Too late liao.

now there is alot of report on SE on newspaper, when the number of ppl joining SE start to drop, then it is really pang sai time.

guy don't simply say thing lah ... later "gimgim" said u guy talk c*ck and nonsense ..... he on the way to be a millionaire now (fly to indon) ....

no free lunch in this world

GP price no increase. All the GP price start Wed will be $6300, but the rebate is just $18,000 compare to last time which is $72,000. They increase the Customer rebate bonus and withdrawn the customer loyalty bonus.

Lucky I checked through the Internet regarding on this Sunshine Empire. My mum nearly get cheated when my stupid auntly keep influence her to join and I did stop my mum and said "Why not wait till auntly earn and see the result then you invest? You will still earn that time right?". Hopefully is not too late to inform my mum regards this tomorrow.

My aunty bring that sunshine empire guy to my house and present on the scheme today. I was very suspicious since my body language feel so uncomfortable when he talk.

For your information Sunshine Empire now change name to Emwealth

Their old website Sunshine Empire - http://202.122.111.44/member/
Their new website is Emwealth - http://emwealth.com/live/index.php

PLEASE TAKE NOTE: TO ALL PLEASE BE DON'T GET CHEAT BY THEM.

This post has been edited by swanchew: Dec 13 2007, 02:26 AM

harvest ur fortune on that, erghh... cheated one la.. invest on me, i make ur a company using the money. hehe..

I just realized that this even been discuss in ASTRO before but they didn't said the name of the company. Their way of cheating is simple.

You bank in 20K for investment to them. They said will return benefit and bonus at least 3 times which mean 60k in return in the future. When the future deadline? No ideal.

Then they will paid you back a little bit.

Example (If you didn't ask any member to join):
1st mth return 3k
2nd mth return 2k
3rd mth return 1k
4th mth return 1k
5th mth return 1k
6th mth return 1k
7th mth return 1k
8th mth return 1k
9th mth return 1k
10th mth return 1k
11th mth return 1k
12th mth return 1k
So total in a year will be 15k.

If you don't invite any member for the whole year, one day the return will suddenly stop. When you ask why you didn't get your money they will said their investment earning was low and request you to bank-in money more in order to get the higher return. When you do that again, you get back the flow of return again.

What you didn't realize is you already bank in 20k but only get 15k in return. YOU STILL LOST 5K!!

They will persuade you again to investment more and ask your friend to join.

The scheme will continue the return ONLY if you bank in again another 20k OR you need to invite people to join.

Then you will ask but they still paying me after that. You must remember this is their way to cheat. How? They will still pay you as long there are still people who willing fall into their trap. What they need to do is just get other people to paid you to believe!!

So please don't be stupid. There is no free lunch in this world.

This post has been edited by swanchew: Dec 13 2007, 08:47 AM

its simple, if you are investing in 'real working' business plan, there is no need of mlm or whatever introducing at all..