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icemanfx
post Oct 4 2023, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(urbanite @ Oct 3 2023, 11:32 PM)
This is short term measure due to impact from ukraine war not for long term.

Typical of miss the forest for the tree.

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post Oct 4 2023, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Oct 3 2023, 04:15 PM)
no doubt things doesnt change overnight....so we've given them around 1 year already and things still as fk as1 year ago, if not as bad..i dun want to eat maggi for the next 4 years...

Well just hope that the govt can pick up, because if shit still going on like this, Kerajaan PAS dream is no longer a dream in next GE.
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Good govt policies play little role in affecting election results. Is more like oredi cast on stones.
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post Oct 4 2023, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 4 2023, 08:50 AM)
Good govt policies play little role in affecting election results. Is more like oredi cast on stones.
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It’s going to be a real fight between “what is good for all” vs “what is good for me”. What to do? The mentality is set and pervasive.
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post Oct 4 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 4 2023, 08:50 AM)
Good govt policies play little role in affecting election results. Is more like oredi cast on stones.
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Oct 4 2023, 09:13 AM)
It’s going to be a real fight between “what is good for all” vs “what is good for me”. What to do? The mentality is set and pervasive.
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Those live on hand to mouth only think of what could be the next meal, unable to think beyond tomorrow and want instant gratification.
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post Oct 4 2023, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 4 2023, 11:17 AM)
Those live on hand to mouth only think of what could be the next meal, unable to think beyond tomorrow and want instant gratification.
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This is more likely to happen in a kerajaan pas. Then we will get the government we deserve not the government we need.
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post Oct 4 2023, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Oct 2 2023, 08:16 AM)
Lol the problem is Kg Selamat was selling at close to mid tier city prices before. Yea it makes sense if it’s changed hands at the market price of 50% discount. Not a good example to use as it’s a failed development. You can’t cherry pick data without disclosing the full story.
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The purpose of the example is to illustrate that location is not the end all and be all. And ~300k was used as that was the market/transacted price for the area, regardless of whatever initial bloated price it was launched at for that unit size.
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post Oct 4 2023, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 3 2023, 04:46 PM)
None of EU countries, USA, or PRC have subsided fuel or anything.

Petrol price in prc is >2 times of here and yet most of their products and produce are cheaper. Until subsidy is removed, this country remains a 3rd world country like Pakistan.
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You want double digit inflation/cpi figure is it? Followed by OPR hikes every MPC meet for the next year or two? That's the reality of removing petrol/energy subsidies in the current economic cycle.
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post Oct 5 2023, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Oct 4 2023, 10:33 PM)
The purpose of the example is to illustrate that location is not the end all and be all. And ~300k was used as that was the market/transacted price for the area, regardless of whatever initial bloated price it was launched at for that unit size.
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Still not a great example to use as essentially the entire primary market failed. A lot of people have lost hundreds of thousands by investing in the area. This one is a cautionary tale of proximity to a large infrastructure project (Kwasa) that never happened so location does matter. One can cover a 20-30% loss but 50+% is near impossible to recover from.

So kanak-kanak if it’s too pricey for the area and you see many disparaging remarks don’t go against the grain.

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post Oct 5 2023, 05:40 AM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Oct 4 2023, 10:42 PM)
You want double digit inflation/cpi figure is it? Followed by OPR hikes every MPC meet for the next year or two? That's the reality of removing petrol/energy subsidies in the current economic cycle.
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To become a more competitive and efficient economy, one needs to endure a short term pain else forever trapped in the 3rd world like Pakistan, Egypt, Algeria, etc.
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post Oct 5 2023, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 5 2023, 05:40 AM)
To become a more competitive and efficient economy, one needs to endure a short term pain else forever trapped in the 3rd world like Pakistan, Egypt, Algeria, etc.
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It can’t happen yet. There will be a lot of pain as USD strengthens. This has to be gradually ushered in by a stable political party.
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Oct 5 2023, 08:06 AM)
It can’t happen yet. There will be a lot of pain as USD strengthens. This has to be gradually ushered in by a stable political party.
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Pn gomen had the opportunity to remove subsidy during pandemic when oil price was low. Until subsidy is removed, the economy will remain a 3rd world like Pakistan, Egypt, Algeria.

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post Oct 5 2023, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Oct 5 2023, 01:48 AM)
Still not a great example to use as essentially the entire primary market failed. A lot of people have lost hundreds of thousands by investing in the area. This one is a cautionary tale of proximity to a large infrastructure project (Kwasa) that never happened so location does matter. One can cover a 20-30% loss but 50+% is near impossible to recover from.

So kanak-kanak if it’s too pricey for the area and you see many disparaging remarks don’t go against the grain.
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I'm not here to defend a failed project but never is too permanent a term. EPF will eventually complete the Kwasa project, they've already invested too much money (ours lol) as well as moved their people there to show that they ARE serious. Now the issue is just on timing. If they could get some big developers to move faster, it'll go a long way in building confidence in the area.

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 5 2023, 05:40 AM)
To become a more competitive and efficient economy, one needs to endure a short term pain else forever trapped in the 3rd world like Pakistan, Egypt, Algeria, etc.
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Have you been to those countries to be able to make that comparison? And your 'short term pain' may cause the economy to spiral out of control. You can ask the Fed/UK/EU how easy is it to tame raging inflation (hint: difficult).
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post Oct 5 2023, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Oct 5 2023, 03:35 PM)
I'm not here to defend a failed project but never is too permanent a term. EPF will eventually complete the Kwasa project, they've already invested too much money (ours lol) as well as moved their people there to show that they ARE serious. Now the issue is just on timing. If they could get some big developers to move faster, it'll go a long way in building confidence in the area.

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There are many proven big developerssss in this country. Do you think we are short of any?

Problem is, do you know what are the red tapings behind, requiring of (to be) a so-called kwasa developers there?

Please, don't amuse don't smoke me.

Secondly, I ask you for kwasa master development to fruition, commercial first or residential first? Balanced up! Yes, how? Just by merely giving a theme/ slogan/ wawasan dot dot again, a few 'poised to be' articles?

See the word 'ours $' no reply your post pon cannot

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Oct 5 2023, 08:06 AM)
It can’t happen yet. There will be a lot of pain as USD strengthens. This has to be gradually ushered in by a stable political party.
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I am of the opinion that the USD will weaken over the long term as de-dollarisation increases. But not sure what impact will this have on our property market. BNM may not have to track our interest rates to the Feds anymore.
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post Oct 5 2023, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Oct 5 2023, 01:48 AM)
Still not a great example to use as essentially the entire primary market failed. A lot of people have lost hundreds of thousands by investing in the area. This one is a cautionary tale of proximity to a large infrastructure project (Kwasa) that never happened so location does matter. One can cover a 20-30% loss but 50+% is near impossible to recover from.

So kanak-kanak if it’s too pricey for the area and you see many disparaging remarks don’t go against the grain.
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https://www.nst.com.my/property/2023/10/962...centre-selangor
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post Oct 5 2023, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Oct 5 2023, 04:15 PM)
20 years for this thing to reach its potential when people bought future priced units in 2015. Much as we invest for the long term, one also needs to survive in the short to medium term. A high end development populated by working class people means it’s now a lower end project. The real value of upper middle and blue chip properties is the community after all.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Oct 5 2023, 04:04 PM)
There are many proven big developerssss in this country. Do you think we are short of any?

Problem is, do you know what are the red tapings behind, requiring of (to be) a so-called kwasa developers there?

Please, don't amuse don't smoke me.

Secondly, I ask you for kwasa master development to fruition, commercial first or residential first? Balanced up! Yes, how? Just by merely giving a theme/ slogan/ wawawan titik titik again?

See the word 'ours' no reply your post pon cannot
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1. I got say Malaysia no big developers meh?

2. The red tapes that you are referring to is exactly what EPF should try reduce

3. What the hell is amuse/smoke you?

4. Obviously the recent launches indicate residential first mah. Why else would they bring in names like Exsim, Tujuh Residence, ytl etc before announcing any commercial players or partners? Sime darby did the same with Elmina/Denai Alam, why shouldn't epf just follow suit?


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post Oct 5 2023, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Oct 5 2023, 04:50 PM)
1. I got say Malaysia no big developers meh?

2. The red tapes that you are referring to is exactly what EPF should try reduce

3. What the hell is amuse/smoke you?

4. Obviously the recent launches indicate residential first mah. Why else would they bring in names like Exsim, Tujuh Residence, ytl etc before announcing any commercial players or partners? Sime darby did the same with Elmina/Denai Alam, why shouldn't epf just follow suit?
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Item 3. You sure Epf reduce/ cutting or imposing ?

Comparing to elmina/d.alam as a role in kwasa master dev? Good luck

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Oct 5 2023, 04:56 PM)
Item 3. You sure Epf reduce/ cutting or imposing ?

Comparing to sdb elmina/d.alam as a role in kwasa master dev? Good luck
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1. Read my words carefully ya. I say SHOULD try. Not that they WOULD try or that they ARE trying. All carry different meanings. I don't work in EPF so I can only speculate as an outsider.

2. It's not SDB, it's SDP, two different entities. And why can't we use Elmina/Denai Alam as an example? Denai Alam started decades ago followed by Elmina. No real commercial element, not even a school proposed till recently let alone a mall.
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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Oct 5 2023, 05:41 PM)
1. Read my words carefully ya. I say SHOULD try. Not that they WOULD try or that they ARE trying. All carry different meanings. I don't work in EPF so I can only speculate as an outsider.

2. It's not SDB, it's SDP, two different entities. And why can't we use Elmina/Denai Alam as an example? Denai Alam started decades ago followed by Elmina. No real commercial element, not even a school proposed till recently let alone a mall.
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Ok, sorry typo sdp. Thanks for correcting.

Qwasa is a tool if you can see better.

Edited. Oh yes, you do as i just read your latest post in 7 thread.

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