Hi all ,

im thinking of getting a prosumer camera, there are 2 cameras in my mind now, the canon s5is and panasonic fz8 ..... based on the reveiws from dpreview, seems that fz8 has a higher rating ...i just wanna get more comments and opinions from you guys here..... which one do you think is better?

This post has been edited by LightEnchanter: Oct 22 2007, 10:15 PM

why not include Olympus prosumer camera in ur comparison as well?? for me Olympus is the best. is this help u in choosing the camera?

This post has been edited by mutt: Oct 22 2007, 10:27 PM

if ur budget can reach 2k.. then just go for a DSLR cammie..

ya.. go for DSLR would be better.

s5 still better

What I like about S5 is the vari-angle LCD, enabling you to shoot from any angle, from high during crowded places or from extreme low - on the ground... this is definitely an advantage when come to photo shooting.

The rest of the features almost the same except some people may prefer Lumix lenses, will opt for Panasonic FZ8.

I too support Canon S5 IS. I once own a S3 and it does wonder for me. The vari-angle LCD sure is very helpful in getting pictures of different angle, high view or low view and even side view.

For Me i go for Canon S5 IS Too , still i own an s3 is , very good , camera
u can check some reviews

Canon g8??? ...

but for me... save few more RM.. and get low entry of dslr..

people always said that.. people behind the camera is more important than the camera itself.. i do agree.. partially

but camera do play important role...

This post has been edited by ganz: Oct 23 2007, 11:11 AM

Yeah, its true. But once you have gotten into DSLR, its like diving into a pool of poison! First you'll get a camera with its kit lens. Then you get bored of your kit lens, you get a longer focal lens. Then your on-board flash cant light up the subject of your long lens, you'll get an external flash. Later you'll be buying other lens for other types of photograph like landscape, potrait, macro....Then you learn that you cant capture the environment mood with flash light, you'll get faster lens with bigger aperture, f/4 - f/2.8 - f/1.8 - f1.4 and so on. And filters comes in ...CPL, ND, IR, soft, stars......The never-ending buying list just keep on going and going.....

y not fz18 instead of fz8...

here's a forum link on dpreview.com that you might want to refer to:

FZ18 vs Canon S5IS vs Sony DSC H9

I highly recommend FZ18.

FZ18 have 28mm at wide angle, whereas S5IS have 36mm.
FZ18 also have RAW support.

Check out the photos posted by FZ18 users.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1033

One of the hundreds of FZ18 shots.

Wow, the pic seems good to me. If you were to considered S5 IS or DMC-FZ18, I'd say go get the FZ18. Wider coverage of 28mm really is a big advantage there!

Panasonic!!!

with the choices given, go for fz18... you won't regret.... unless u have budget for a DSLR

One more thing I like about the FZ18 is that it weighs in at 400gms (with battery).

The S5IS is 550gm.

Some nice macros.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...essage=25316156

what I dislike FZ18 is the flexible LCD does not serve any purpose... they only allow you to lift out the LCD screen but doesn't allow you to have variation of angle.... if only the LCD like Canon S5... I would go for Panasonic FZ18.

On the other hand, one more consideration b4 you buy Panasonic FZ18... as this is last year model... Panasonic may come up with new model to replace FZ18....

mmm. fz18.. good one...



n.. one more thing.. as for me (which is low budget but with a heart of photographer =)) ).. as u move along ur hobby.. u find a need in low light condition? which either in good ISO (low noise), apature, IS and last but not least FLASH.. in which S5 support the usage of external flash..

and also easy access in menu and other option in which i feel that panasonic might have better.. for example my s3 is quite difficult to use manual focus and altering few setup such as ev, iso on the run.. while g7 got a dial similar to dslr that assit u to swith tose function easily..

while fz20 (i'm refering with the camera that i have knowledge only) got a dial ring that can assist u in manual focus..

n wide angle is a bless...u can crop to zoom in picture but u can't crop to widen the view..
well...

FZ18 was launched after S5IS.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_po...mcfz18&show=all

The best thing about Canon S5IS is the flip-out & twist LCD
But a salesman told me if you're not careful you can twist it beyond its limits and the LCD is gone.
Some people may like the external flash option on the S5 but for me this will only increase its weight and bulk.

Honestly speaking, if you really want to buy external flashes, wide angle converter, tele converter, .... you're better off buying a Canon DSLR.

i also thought of FZ18 before ...but quite expensive.....

and i like the canon's design....


omg.....headache

Just go with what your heart tells you.......

This post has been edited by pac1: Oct 24 2007, 12:36 AM

u gotta go and check out ur self and then u can solve ur dilemma

Since you already have Canon in mind... why think so much again, just go to the shop, grap one and start shooting. Different people will give different suggestion / recommendations. The suggestions and recommendations can go on and on..... by then, you will get more confusing. Just zoom in what you wanted, and if that particular model can give you what you wanted... then don't think much - go for it!

Yeah, go try it, get your hands on it and handling it at camera shop and see if it really satisfied you. You should try other cameras as well, some of them might feels better in your hand, you wont know it unless you try them. That's how I got my camera, it feels so good in my hand compared to others that I tried.

which one have a better noise reduction since both are using the same size of sensor?

I know panasonic camera always have a visible noise above ISO400

This post has been edited by barlogteoh: Oct 24 2007, 12:00 PM

Try clickin the link below and see.
FZ18 vs Canon S5IS vs Sony DSC H9

Check this out for picture comparisons..

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

will go and check out the cameras...thanks

Yes, go check-out those cameras and do tell us which one did you choose later, ok!

sure sure

i bet that u'll choose Canon S5IS

not a link .....
izzit u mean comparison in dpreview?

so..which 1 is better? i'm gonna get a new cam 2 and 2 of there are in my choices..

So amazing..... FZ18 has less noise than S5IS.

Oops, sorry forgot to din add in the link for it, my bad. Yeah, its refering to the comparison in dpreview.

Canon has better marketing than the rest of the field.

It doesn't mean they have better technology, which translates to better picture quality.

Just got my Z18 and I'd say its pretty impressive. Anyway here's the reason I chose z18

1) Stronger zoom w/o compensating quality
2) Awesome lens
3) Wide Angle
4) EVF is better - S5IS's EVF looks crappy & unrealistic (EVF = Electroniv Viewfinder)
3) Li Ion Batteries - AA batteries for S5IS means they have way less powerful flash and limited technoogy (That's y S5IS has the flash slot)
4) Light weight - U will really notice this when u have a long shooting session and also when u're at maximum zoom u're more relaxed.
5) Strong Flash
6) Much Cheaper

Bought mine with a surprisingly insane deal from Harney Norman @ Ikano

RM 1450
Z18
2 X 2GB
Tripod
Casing
Screen Protector

+RM150 and u get a 5 year extended warranty

Woah! That's insane indeed. What tyoe of tripod they gave you?

Wow that is a great deal. I paid RM1499 and only got 1pc 2GB card. Screen protector also need to pay.

Welcome to the world of Lumix FZ18.

Click on my signature to see the experiences of more FZ18 users

Tripod i got the standard 10 inch one la.

Just now i bump into another crazy deal while i was tryin to look for a bigger camera bag. The original Z18 one is kinda crappy sad to say.

Camera bag selling for RM75
but if you buy a 1.5meter tripod u get the bag for free. Tripod sells for RM59.90

So I bought the tripod and get a free bag. Crazy doens't make sense.

Shop is Photo Miami @ Seksyen 14 Digital Mall there

Well, good for you that the shop not selling at sensible price!

how about nikon stuff ? cheap ma there ?

Ya, ya, any crazy price or bundle promotion at that shop there?

RM1450???? fot FZ18?? u sure about that.. ..then i will get my hand on this baby on err...thrus canot...public holiday...friday lar

last week went there....awfully quite there ask about TZ3...they also dint sell.....

This post has been edited by shadowofevil: Nov 7 2007, 11:50 AM

hahaha really la. I show u receipt also can. But u gotta be thought on ur bargain la. and also know ur stuff. I managed to bargain a P5100 for RM1200 with crazy bundle as well. U go try la

harvey norman such big chain store....can even bargain.....
thks for advise bro....i never though can bargain at such shop wan....

my fren at mid V ask around the price @ harvey norman...they said 1599 free 2x2GB saja.....how u done it bro

This post has been edited by shadowofevil: Nov 7 2007, 06:52 PM

i've been there yesterday @ Harvey and seems like the price all normal wan de .. zzzz

Have you try bargaining with them? Maybe you'll get great deal after bargain crazily with them!

i tried bargain him for sb-600 lol but he said comission wut so ever .. at the end still same as price at International shop ~ sigh

This post has been edited by aceejay: Nov 8 2007, 04:40 PM

yo bro, which harvey N u went to? i went to mid V wan...no point bargaining at there lar.....

This post has been edited by shadowofevil: Nov 8 2007, 08:22 PM

between this 2, canon is good for the varia-angle LCD but 4x AA battery..aiks..abit..prefer panasonic li-ion...but love the LCD..shit..

Went to Harvey Norman Sunway Pyramid,

FZ18
can't get 1450 with 4gb etc =(

the minimum is 1500 and only with 2gb...

told u all already go to the IKANO wan la... they don't mind u bargainin coz the camera dept is shifting to another location. So they wanna clear stock as well. That why can get cheaper. Also think u'll nid a Bargaining for DUmmies hahaha. I go Fotokem also can get 1470 2GB HD SD card lol!!

Use la the cheap technique

1) squeeze a lowest price.
2) Say wahh i go another shop (then u name shop and location) cheaper than u this this price. U can do that for me o not?
3) My friend ask me come here he buy here so cheap this this price. I'm sure u can do that price.
3) Wah ur price is interesting, ok i give u straight cold hard cash now. What price u give me?
4) Wahhh not bad, ok like this, U give me one extra SD card/ battery / etc. I confirm buy from u now. Wont squeeze anymore.
5) aiyoh no cash now, I'll see how la. Nid to withdraw. (then He'll prolly say "OK la u got CC now i give u this price for CC")

*now u buy the unit*

6) This is when u joke with him abit, if u got balls squeeze him some more. Then while u bodek him say la he good saleperson, u'll recommend more frends to come see u bla bla.
7) when he setting up & testing ur camera u ask, eh u also got tripod ah? u sell how much? he'll give u a very cheap price also, then u ask him wahh ok la.. fren fren u bundle in also la. then he'll either give free another accessory or sell to u at cost price.
8) b4 u leave make sure u shake his hands and ask him for his name again. Then u say thank you and I'll remember u, u're a really good salesperson. (u do this so next time u wanna buy accessories or upgrade or buy another unit, he'll take care of u kao kao and u can get a really good deal next time as well)

Ok la all the best!

Walau i post this here, all the camera shops gonna go broke man.

HAVE FUN!!

Fuyoh damn pro

canon s5is
..G9 also not bad

FZ18 is the best of the 'really big' zoom cameras.

source : dpreview

previously had the same dilemma as u

finally chosen fz18 due its unique features where s5 does not offer.

This post has been edited by monochrome: Dec 17 2007, 11:27 PM

Guys, I was thinking of obtaining the DMC-F728. Whats your views on the camera? They're also having a promotion on the panasonic website. RM1499 with Lumix Camera Case and 4GB SD memory card. Is there anywhere else I can get it cheaper?

Canon C5IS

I like S5IS coz:

Zooming when shooting video, not sure Pana can or not.

AA Battery for many days shooting if cannot charge battery, littium sure die. AA can bring many and still can buy alkaline.

Can use external flash coz got hot shoe.

But SX1 the brother to S5 is out. HD Video, CMOS sensor and 20x Zoom