Or can people choose to opt out of the installation?
Not asking for why it's good etc. Just want to know if people want to opt out... can.. or cannot? if can, how? If anyone went through a proper procedure, then just share, if not...

I will remove all trolling comments like asking to cut TNB and live in jungle, offgrid etc...

This post has been edited by lindtra: Aug 30 2023, 02:55 PM

there will be no meter readers sometime in the future

Meter owned by TNB. They can do whatever they want. Your property is only after the meter

No way to opt out.

why you dont want one?
so convenience can see how much current you are utilizing, can monitor daily usage from mytnb portal and a new meter should be more accurate (for my old meter, its spin 20% faster)

you know what kind of people dont want one? the person that tempered their meter.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Aug 30 2023, 01:44 PM

need pay more?
if upgrade?

2 reasons.
1. Everyone i know who installed it is getting more expensive bill (30 -50% more)... ya old meter not accurate reading excuses bla bla bla, not interested in that, if that is true it's only benefit for the user so why should i choose digital over the old meter if i'm getting the benefit, IF i can choose...
2. Don't like EMF wave constantly near me and my family in my house. Before anyone want to debunk bla bla bla. Save it. your belief, your choice. My belief, my choice. Science have both sides when you read more.
And no, my house meter have never been tampered before.

This post has been edited by lindtra: Aug 30 2023, 02:15 PM

lol. u cant opt out. in fact u dunwan tnb can sue u

there is no way to opt out

my house last time using the old 1 spinning wheel in the middle, then TNB send out letter stated date they will come change it without your confirmation

but luckily my electric bill didn't spike too much like those people claimed

The meter belongs to TNB, of course they have the right can change it.

if don't want TNB service, you can buy the solar panel off grid system

else you don't have a say on what meter they use, it is their discretion.

but still increased...

thats not a good excuse to opt out from new meter installation. new meter not running slow as the old meter is not TNB problem, beside everyone you know should be grateful that they are paying less due to the old meter spoiled accuracy.

well you have one other option that you could go, go off-grid instead if you dont like with new meter installation.

if you are so much concern about radio frequency, tell tnb you want 'new' analog meter, keeping the old meter is not an option.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Aug 30 2023, 02:50 PM

Saving money is always a good reason. Also EMF effect is a super good reason.

sky is blue, water is wet.

no choice,

and tnb as an business entity dont need to pay untung, if you are seeing their finacial report, they only managed to make small profit last quarter.its not like they going to overcharge you post new installation, they just charge you for what you are actually using.

technically it is not compulsory or not compulsory on consumer perspective. these devices are maintained by TNB, they can change it as they see fit. same like changing wiring and etc connected to your house..

So... it's all about corporate profit after all.

I wonder what does 30 - 50% extra in bill adds up in years.

Expect 30 - 50% more in your monthly bill.

cannot opt out, you can block them from entering house compound, but they also can terminate contract to sell electric to you. Afraid emp maybe can ask them install another place, you have to pay more for installation, or get certified contractor to do it. Create housing or something?

TNB will replace all meters with smart meters. No choice - it’s a matter of when.

I am now enjoying reduced usage bills ever since TNB installed my smart meter about two years ago.

Perhaps my old analog meter was faulty

My old meter was 9 years old, when they changed to smart meter, honestly no difference in electric bill. Average about the same only.

So those who claimed spike either that month coincidently use more electric, or their old meter got problem.

Why coincidently? Is because I find many people don't know how air cond works. They thought on 8 hours on a cold day/night will use same electric as 8 hours on a hot day/night

mine too.
the old meter inaccuracy can go two ways, either the disc moving slower or faster.

but ts only believe that changing to smart meter confirm increase bill.

It's called statistics.

Unless they can't pay you a visit on the scheduled installation.

The meter belongs to TNB, whether to change or install is subject to their decision.

The reason why TNB change the meter because a lot of people tamper and steal electricity with the old meter. And also the manual meter is less accurate over time.

From TNB point of view it is necessary.

Those who refuse to change generally has bad intention so i do not see there is a reasonable justification.

One of my neighbor locked the gate when they went out for work, so their legacy meter still the wheel spinning type, skipped previous digital meter and recent smart meter installation.

I'm not sure will TNB take any action or just ignore those on older meter type?

not only that,
this is AMI meter,

which used for billing collection, load management and etc

for them easier to manage the load across area.
which include HES and MDMS.

This post has been edited by angelgemini: Aug 30 2023, 09:23 PM

after changing smart meter my bill slowly and gradually decreases. idk where ur 30-50% stats come from

depend your luck

new smart meter have accuracy of 1% as of IEC62052 standard.

old meter which unknown accuracy.

if some spoil meter, they can go 1% to 100% faster or slower.

so new meter, will ensure it accurate.

I live in apartment, there is one unit which is still using the old meter when everyone else changed to smart meter. When I ask the TNB guys doing maintenance one day, they say if they are using the old meter 'mesti ada sebab'.

So I think it is not compulsary. But you probably not allowed to opt out if you ask TNB.

https://www.nst.com.my/amp/news/nation/2023...ngs-penang-june

read this news for Penang, but ask around nobody in that area get install yet

yeah and with smart meter we can monitor the actual usage which is quite helpful, recently changed my room ac from 1.5hp non inverter to 2.0hp inverter. The bill significantly dropped again snd can monitor real time which is good

some of my neighbours 'opted' not to change (when the neighborhood changed to smart meter before COVID).

but I did see the TNB 'enforcing' them to change a few weeks back.

funny thing is.. there's still meter reader walking around every month..

My community has around 600 houses, has replaced to this smart meter since 2 years ago, I don't face issue of 'new meter increase your bill $$', so far didn't heard anyone else complain about this problem as well.

i prefer old meter. 3-phase. can see the load on each phase.

surprisingly, new meter, cannot see phase-by-phase. only lump sum. i confirmed with tnb.

useful for load balancing.

TNB oredi say new smart meter more accurate reading....so yeah, 1 way or the other, they will insist you must change to new smart meter

indeed for them... higher pay for me bill increase tremendously after change

Heard some says bill increased while some says decreased.
Probably due to old meter calibration not correct.

small current leak below RCCB rating but detect and bill by smart meter 24 x 7 x 30

they will notice any obstructions on wire poles, like excessive tree growth.

TNB won't change until the situation is settled while a case is ongoing if the old meter is discovered and suspected of being tampered with. It is not because the customer can choose to opt-out.

Would these smart meters stop the rampant meter tampering devices?

Apartment meter should be all in one central place?
Actually they just need use clamp meter then can know if there's any "special activity" going on.

Yes it is still possible.

Old meter mechanical, smart meter everything mostly digital and electronic, both can be tempering, just smart meter after being tempering much more significant obviously and easy to Trace

Possible your old meter degraded so reading not accurate or being tempering usually tnb will closed one eye when their ppl replace to smart meter those guy just lucky

Smart meter any billing missing or wrong premise delivered you still can via app/mytnbportal to check your current transaction, as usual any overdue bill gonna extra charge from next bill

Tempering meter problem should avoid i see a lot new shop owner rent a shop without knowing meter has been tempering, 5 year later tnb come and check and found out so tenant buta buta kena fine from the first day they rent

So if anyone who first time rent a shop/house should ask tnb have a meter check first after you moving in , at least you have prove you just move in anything ask your landlord to settle and non your problem

Anyways I'm not pakar tnb and wireman just sharing my experience what i know

No.