Seems like many of the thread I started have been deleted with no explanation whatsoever.

I guess a good empty chamber is on the table.

Seems like many of the thread I started have been deleted with no explanation whatsoever.
I guess a good empty chamber is on the table.

Ts might be next in "got sus function" one day

Sometimes I wonder ppl like TS... is it because his life is empty or lack meaning, hence desperately searcing for fulfillment, but unfortunately latched to the wrong cause like veganism, antivax, just stop oil or some religious cult... because thats where he think he found meaning and acceptance?

Every one want to be David goggins.. that's why

Seems like many of the thread I started have been deleted with no explanation whatsoever.

I guess a good empty chamber is on the table.

May report this thread later

Actually I’m also no fan of Covid vaccinations and will definitely not be getting another shot but having said that, I’m not dedicating my life on an anti-vax crusade the way both TS and JBCoder are.

I just read what they have to offer and find it most entertaining, that is all.

Thats the thing. You see how the antivax put their arguments... no hard evidence, no reliable data, no genuine research, nothing that specifically showed that covid vaccination is the DIRECT cause of this, this and that. And the excuse is? Oh, govt/ pharma evil global conspiracy to suppress the truth, deny research etc etc etc. But where's the evidence of said govt/ pharma evil global conspiracy to suppress the truth, deny research etc etc etc? Twitter posts? Some tinfoil hat claims in FB or youtube vids?

I consider myself open minded to look into all angles and arguments, but if antivax wants ppl to believe their arguments then show the hard evidence, the real research data la. But what do we get instead? Retarded stuff like "why so many young ppl dropping dead" without context or supporting data, then when got called out, goes "until proven otherwise" or "whatever floats your boat".

How to take them seriously? You tell me

As if you are going to understand when actual hard evidence gets out up to you.

Sometimes, by the time hard evidence is available, you are dead already.

As if you are going to understand when actual hard evidence gets out up to you.

Show the evidence and research la. No need beat around the bush and insinuate here n there.

Genuine credible research from credible sources ya, not from some quack doctors in some dodgy tinfoil hat conspiracy sites and questionable non peer reviewed results

I guess cancer

One colleage got wife operate for cancer, he's been out of work for a while

Another colleague lost a sister from cancer

Both younger than 40 years old

Diam lah sei sohai

Diam lah sei sohai

Thats the thing. You see how the antivax put their arguments... no hard evidence, no reliable data, no genuine research, nothing that specifically showed that covid vaccination is the DIRECT cause of this, this and that. And the excuse is? Oh, govt/ pharma evil global conspiracy to suppress the truth, deny research etc etc etc. But where's the evidence of said govt/ pharma evil global conspiracy to suppress the truth, deny research etc etc etc? Twitter posts? Some tinfoil hat claims in FB or youtube vids?

I consider myself open minded to look into all angles and arguments, but if antivax wants ppl to believe their arguments then show the hard evidence, the real research data la. But what do we get instead? Retarded stuff like "why so many young ppl dropping dead" without context or supporting data, then when got called out, goes "until proven otherwise" or "whatever floats your boat".

How to take them seriously? You tell me

Even if hard evidence slaps you in the face you wouldn't acknowledge it...because it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge.

This. Why need to spam threads antivak or threads of "oh you got jabbed, you going to die"?
Why so bodo like jbcoder no life. You drive grab too much time open such threads?
Sometimes /k really peaceful when jbcodee get banned and the topics stopped. Now you want to stir shit and just cannot stop posting your propaganda threads?
Wahai /k let's see this jbcoder protégé get banned like his master. Cukuplah don't open thread machiem ini. Sehari thread ok lah no need to spam your stupidity.

Come try me, slap me with the hard evidence. So far all I've seen in the antivax cause are just mindless posts and insinuations like this.

Please, you want ppl to believe your cause? Show the hard evidence lah. Come, show the evidence here, go on, show it.

Genuine credible research from credible sources ya, not from some quack doctors in some dodgy tinfoil hat conspiracy sites and questionable non peer reviewed results ok. Genuine research that pinpoint covid vaccination is the DIRECT cause of so many young ppl dropping dead now.

.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejhf.2978

Just the recent one.

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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejhf.2978

Just the recent one.

Major adverse cardiac events
Thirty-day follow-up was completed in 775 participants (99.7%) and no participant developed MACE (0% [95% CI 0–0.4%])....

...Second, all cases were mild with only a transient and short period of myocardial injury (maximum hs-cTnT concentration 35 ng/L). No patient showed ECG changes and no patient developed MACE within 30 days...

...The long-term consequences of vaccine-related myocardial injury detected by transient and mostly mild hs-cTnT/I elevations on day 2 or 3 are unknown. Given the small extent of acute cardiomyocyte injury in our study, that is, cTnT levels of about one-fourth of those observed in patients with spontaneous myopericarditis,10 and its transient nature, good long-term outcomes can be expected. COVID-19 associates with a substantially higher risk for myocarditis that mRNA vaccination,33 and myocarditis related to COVID-19 infection has shown a higher mortality than myocarditis related to mRNA vaccination...

In conclusion, using active surveillance, mRNA-1273 vaccine-associated mild transient myocardial injury was found to be much more common than previously thought. It occurred in one out of 35 persons, was mild and transient, and more frequent in women versus men. Neither anti-IL-1RA, nor pre-existing vaccine/infection-induced immunity or systemic inflammation seemed to be dominant mechanisms of myocardial injury. No participant developed MACE within 30 days.

I thought you deleted the one on the guy dying at the condo.

ok good, finally some genuine research instead of rubbish from some quack doctors in some dodgy tinfoil hat conspiracy sites and questionable non peer reviewed results.

And?
So how does this prove "Why so many young people dropping dead"? Where's the link that shows covid vaccination is the DIRECT cause of all these "higher than average deaths"? At the end, you're just showing a research on the possible risk of vaccination (something which is common in all vaccinations) but zero direct cause of this so called "why so many young people dropping dead?"

Do you even understand how silly your argument or not? It's like saying "Scientist have discovered increased mortality since 2021", then show a research on the risk of swallowing cyanide. How is cyanide is the DIRECT cause of all these increased mortalities?

So so you know why so many young people dying?

I don't know that's why I'm asking

Troponin leaks can also be found in wards for no real reason

Topkek

They didnt do analysis on people without boosters as control

ok good, finally some genuine research instead of rubbish from some quack doctors in some dodgy tinfoil hat conspiracy sites and questionable non peer reviewed results.

And?
So how does this prove "Why so many young people dropping dead"? Where's the link that shows covid vaccination is the DIRECT cause of all these "higher than average deaths"? At the end, you're just showing a research on the possible risk of vaccination (something which is common in all vaccinations) but zero direct cause of this so called "why so many young people dropping dead?"

Do you even understand how silly your argument or not? It's like saying "Scientist have discovered increased mortality since 2021", then show a research on the risk of swallowing cyanide. How is cyanide is the DIRECT cause of all these increased mortalities?

Ok. I will be wasting my breath on you, it seems.

You're not the first I encountered and you won't be the last. It's really not worth it to discuss with you.

I don't know why they died, thats why I won't claim anything.

You wanna claim they died from covid vaccination, prove it. Show the evidence covid vaccination is the DIRECT cause of all these ppl dying. Come on show it.

Real hard facts, and not retarded stuff like "until proven otherwise" or "whatever floats your boat"

I'm waiting

Why? You're just showing the side effect risk of vaccination.

Where does it show it is the DIRECT cause of so many young people dropping dead?

Dude, you want ppl to believe your cause then please give the indisputable facts can or not?

Show the evidence and research la. No need beat around the bush and insinuate here n there.

Genuine credible research from credible sources ya, not from some quack doctors in some dodgy tinfoil hat conspiracy sites and questionable non peer reviewed results

I don't know why they died, thats why I won't claim anything.

You wanna claim they died from covid vaccination, prove it. Show the evidence covid vaccination is the DIRECT cause of all these ppl dying. Come on show it.

Real hard facts, and not retarded stuff like "until proven otherwise" or "whatever floats your boat"

I'm waiting

Can show me where did I claim that in this thread?

Nope. That's a whole other discussion. I dont wwnt to get into that now. The point of the discussion was just the covid vaccines were shit and should have never been forced on the population. I think very high rates of myocarditis counts as one of them.

In order to establish that the vaccines cause increased death, it will require me to post lots of studies which will take time for me to compile since I didn't keep a collated record personally, even though I have read those reports. Basically to establish proof, there are a few things need to be established. Like:

What side effects has covid proven to cause that cause death?

Like does covid cause myocarditis which can result in death?

Does covid increase cancers which often result in death?

Does covid cause blood clots which can result in death?

Does covid cause increase heart failure which can result in death?

To wrap it all up. Do we see increase deaths in countries where there is widespread rollout of vaccines?

Well, for me the answer is Yes to all the above. So it's a proof for me.

But there is no such thing as a single  research paper which directly points to the vaccine as the cause of death. A single paper can only study one of the causes above. So you would need to put all the papers together to come to that conclusion.

Now pardon me, but you are not the first naysayer to what I say. And I've made efforts to show the light but it's just been a lost cause. So I'm quite reluctant to take the effort to dig out the links for you which could take 10 or more articles.

Can show me where did I claim that in this thread?

Dude, see your title and first post.

So much research and details but ultimately gone wrong tangent, because you know what, nobody ever said vaccination is Abs01uTeLy anD 100% SaFE wIThOuT SIdE efFECtS Wh@tsOEveR!!! Dude, even vaccines researched and developed over the decades like BCG, polio, etc do not claim that.

The correct question should have been, how many has died against how many vaccination dosage? And how many would have died if vaccination was never introduced?

Can you prove covid vaccination killed MORE people than if no vaccination and we just let Covid run its course?

So much research and details but ultimately gone wrong tangent, because you know what, nobody ever said vaccination is Abs01uTeLy anD 100% SaFE wIThOuT SIdE efFECtS Wh@tsOEveR!!! Dude, even vaccines researched and developed over the decades like BCG, polio, etc do not claim that.

The correct question should have been, how many has died against how many vaccination dosage? And how many would have died if vaccination was never introduced?

Can you prove covid vaccination killed MORE people than if no vaccination and we just let Covid run its course?

Yea, read it 10 times for you.

Can show me where?

I guess 2 can play that game 😉

Show me proof that those people died of other causes?

If they died of heart attack, please show proof that the heart attack caused the person to die.

I don't know why they died, thats why I won't claim anything.

You wanna claim they died from covid vaccination, prove it. Show the evidence covid vaccination is the DIRECT cause of all these ppl dying. Come on show it.

Real hard facts, and not retarded stuff like "until proven otherwise" or "whatever floats your boat"

I'm waiting

Nobody ever said that? 2 mins, I can think of 1 person. 😉



Can layan U la, I'm bored now.

So much research and details but ultimately gone wrong tangent, because you know what, nobody ever said vaccination is Abs01uTeLy anD 100% SaFE wIThOuT SIdE efFECtS Wh@tsOEveR!!! Dude, even vaccines researched and developed over the decades like BCG, polio, etc do not claim that.

The correct question should have been, how many has died against how many vaccination dosage? And how many would have died if vaccination was never introduced?

Can you prove covid vaccination killed MORE people than if no vaccination and we just let Covid run its course?

What I have shown is Q2 2023 SG deaths is 7k, pre2021, around 5.5k quarterly.

Lazy dig up the other stats for you. Waste my time because you won't care anyway.

That tweet talk about what? You're impotent??

See, this is why ppl laugh and mock you 

Already said this earlier, you have comprehension issues or wat?
Ok nvm, I'm going to put this in as simple language as possible fit for children or those with learning disability:

1. NOBODY claims those ppl died of this or that causes

2. YOU claimed or insinuate they died from covid vaccination

3. So you PROVE it

Do you understand what you need to do now? No? Still cannot understand? Ok nvm then

Can show me where did I claim that in this thread?

Oh gosh, you assumed the person who Tweet it was me?

Giving you the benefit of doubt here before I call you a derogatory name and insult your reading comprehension. That's how Lowyat kopitiam works right?

You put words in my mouth, I put words in your mouth too

We go back to square 1. Where is the claim that I made that all of the deaths is due to Covid vaccine in this thread?

Ok. Like I said. No matter what, evidence slap in the face yet will not accept.

That tweet appear in first post by itself ka??

You really no feel malu one. Everyday spam about covid vaccine but still want to act like you not talking about it. Grow up la, just because you think you can pretend not means people will falls to your lies.

Play stupid games now? thats all there is to you antivaxx? "Until proven otherwise" "whatever floats your boat" and now "when did I claim they died of covid vaccination"?

And thats how you convince ppl of your cause? Really?

Nobody ever said that? 2 mins, I can think of 1 person. 😉



Can layan U la, I'm bored now.

Rest my case.

You're not worth my time.

Welcome to my ignore list.

I suggest you ignore me too so you don't have to get so triggered reading what I post.

In this paper, we present evidence that vaccination induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. Immune cells that have taken up the vaccine nanoparticles release into circulation large numbers of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites.

We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances potentially have a causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, impaired DNA damage response and tumorigenesis

We show evidence from the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines questions them as positive contributors to public health.

Ok so the evidence is there that mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines is not absolutely 100% safe without any complications whatsoever.

And? Is that proof of direct cause why so many young people dropping dead?

Also, how many would have died if vaccination was never introduced, and we just let Covid run its course from 2020 until now?

How about this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9968612/

i'm not here to convince anyone one way or the other; just pointing out the available info

i'm not here to convince anyone one way or the other; just pointing out the available info