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Cubalagi
post Jul 31 2023, 11:50 PM

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Safer than investment grade are government bonds of a solid country. Tho safer means lower yield.

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post Aug 2 2023, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Aug 1 2023, 06:43 PM)
ya true very safe also no use if coupons so low.
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I also invest in treasuries to get potential capital gains, on top of the coupon. Basically take a directional view of where interest rate is going.

Add: for cap gains: I prefer Bond ETFsz rather than individual bonds.

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post Aug 6 2023, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 5 2023, 06:21 PM)
Yes, you have a few options - I can elaborate on the options of buying through a banker (as that's what I do), I don't have any bonds through DIY options like FSM so I can't comment on those, nor do I have any participation in bond funds.

You'll need to open a bank account in Singapore and demonstrate that you are an ACCREDITED INVESTOR.

The criteria (for DBS anyway, but it's quite uniform amongst the banks in Singapore) to be an accredited investor are as below:

Minimum income of S$300,000 in the last 12 months (or its equivalent in a foreign currency); or

Net personal assets exceeding S$2 million, of which the net value of your primary place of residence can only contribute up to S$1 million; or

Net financial assets exceeding S$1 million (or its equivalent in a foreign currency); or

Hold a joint account with an Accredited Investor, in respect of dealings through that joint account.


Once you've successfully opened a bank account, you'll need to be assigned a relationship manager. For DBS, unless you're with private banking, you'll be assigned a RM that takes care of a group of investors. In my case, I have a personal private banker so the bond options I get are usually not available to those that are taken care of by the common pool RM. These are usually IPO bonds of good companies.

For UOB, you're assigned a personal RM even if you're just a UOB Privilege (AUM $250,000 or $300,000) or Privilege Reserve (AUM $1,500,000) account holder, but I followed my Privilege Reserve RM over when he got promoted to private banking (AUM $3,000,000 and above) - and it's the same case: if you're UOB Privilege, you won't get access to certain bonds, and certainly not the IPO bonds of good companies. For that, you'll need to be at least Privilege Reserve or Private Banking.

Finally, Maybank (these are the 3 banks that I bank privately, so I can comment a bit). I was assigned an RM when I was merely Maybank Privilege, and initially, just like with UOB or DBS, I was only ever offered bonds on the secondary market. However, as my portfolio grew and my AUM expanded with Maybank, my status was upgraded to Private Banking and the IPO offerings came fast and furious.

I believe it should be quite the same with all the other banks in Singapore: they'll reserve the juicy ones for their "best" clients.

Moving on, to the bonds themselves: private banks offer the option of buying bonds at IPO price, and usually offer a rebate of between 0.25 to 0.5 basis points as an incentive, so I've bought a few IPO bonds at par prices. However, they will charge an account keeping fee (can be quite hefty if not waived - and waiver depends on AUM value), and take a commission out of every coupon payable (not a lot). There are also ancillary charges pertaining to keeping the bonds in trust for you and lodging them with the CDP.

Finally, the cost of entry of a bond in Singapore is like that of Malaysia's: you'll need SGD250,000 minimum to buy a bond. I believe Malaysia requires at least RM250,000 as well.

Some Australian bonds (bought through the Singapore banks) allowed entry as low as AUD200,000 in the past, but because the AUD has trended downward, it's now also AUD250,000 per bond per purchase.

Hope that helps.
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Not necessary to have Singapore bank account. If you have a Malaysia private bank/wealth management account, they could also offer SGD bonds.

You also need to be accredited in Malaysia, but Malaysian accredited is lower threshold as its in MYR eg RM3 million.

But for small fry like me minimum ticket size (SGD250k) is a problem. Thats a huge chunk to be exposed to one name.



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post Aug 6 2023, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 6 2023, 07:56 PM)
I fail the first criteria 😁

Moving on. What's the typical returns for these types of bonds?
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Depends on the rating n issue currency and timing.
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post Aug 7 2023, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 7 2023, 03:17 AM)

Yes. I forgot about the rating part. Thanks for reminding.
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Earlier this year, some of the lower rated USD AT1 bonds of European banks were being offered at more than 10% yield.


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post Aug 8 2023, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 8 2023, 05:30 PM)
This reads like it's a sovereign bond. Honestly, these are bonds that you can hold on to, unless you have absolutely no faith in Malaysia - the only thing you worry about is if the country defaults. The yield won't be the most attractive, but it's as safe as it gets.

Please feel free to correct if I'm mistaken.
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Correct

N its very very very unlikely a govt will default with its own currency bond.

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post Apr 17 2024, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Apr 17 2024, 09:47 PM)
Yield is too low.
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