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post Jul 25 2023, 06:46 AM

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QUOTE(bennyray @ Jul 24 2023, 10:15 PM)
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Aug 18 2023, 09:26 PM)
I thought boehly want to copy brighton

Nevertheless, Brighton development school is impressive, bring in amateur players, produce world class players

Deswai can buy low, sell high

We still buy high, sell low 😅

I think cobham academy is just a front for making quick buck, than actually serious in producing world class talent

Our golden boy also sold for same amount as Anthony gordon 😅

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Different club profile, CHE fans like u want top4 minimum, no win trophy kena kecam, BHA top6 exceed expectation liao. BHA can bring in youth and develop them by letting them play first team football. They have to because they dont have the money like the big club. If BHA is a rich club + challenging for trophy they would pay 100m for RICE rather than buy a youth like CAICEDO already.

How to develop player when fans are happy for GALLAGHER to leave because of 1 bad season by the whole team for finishing 12th ? How to develop BROJA if fans are more than happy if we sold him and bought KANE.

We can bring in top talent like KDB, SALAH, LUKAKU but if they dont get to play they will leave. If they dont leave and continue to stay and warm bench they could end up like CHO, RLC. Even top talent like KAI playing first 11 does not end up to expectation. CUCURELLA one of their best player in BHA when we sign (where MANC also want to sign) was already label a scam after a bad season, same might happen to CAICEDO if we finish 12th again.

I would say club did a good job this transfer windows in refreshing the squad, but dont pancut awal, those 7-8 years long contract is a double edge sword, imaging they end up like BAKAYOKO, PHIL JONES, MAGUIRE ? want sell nobody want, dont want to leave and prefer sit at the bench coz good pay.

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Aug 25 2023, 04:57 PM)
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 9 2023, 09:08 AM)


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QUOTE(Lahaha @ Sep 22 2023, 01:47 PM)
Why is he tinkering with the left side so much? Chilwell as winger when we have natural wingers. Colwill as LB when we have natural LBs. Why only 2 attacking players when our issue was scoring goals (the time when he only put Jackson and Sterling upfront)?
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QUOTE(hazgry @ Sep 24 2023, 08:03 PM)
3 natural left back on the bench while CB become left back.. and this team lead by conor gallagher.. hahahahahahaa
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U guys need to understand the formation POCH want to play, modern football no longer play in a fix formation, when in and out of possession team take on different formation.

Reason COLWILL in paper LB because POCH are playing back 3 when in possession/attacking with GUSTO playing wide going forward and STERLING cutting in. No reason to play CHILWELL LCB when u dont want him to go up and is better to play a proper CB with better defensive ability.

PEP play 4 CB or paper RB in WALKER/STONE, which they dont even go out wide during attack but to play centrally, then u play a more attacking player and let them freely to attack. The benefit is playing a better defensive player in defend and play a better offensive player for attack. Playing 2 wingback is so yesterday formation already.

Some will ask why POCH dont invert it and play a RCB and replace GUSTO with CHILWELL at left wide man since he is a better attacking player. This most likely is because STERLING only play on the right side, unless we have a left winger that comfortably cutting in play centrally.

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 25 2023, 05:01 PM)
Kan sudah cakap, top 6 is the best result we can hope for this season, but looking way off the mark and even top 10 also not secure

Trust the process lol, but see Postecoglou performing miracle with tottenham WITHOUT harry kane AND WITHOUT massive spending should cast some doubt into our board's 'long term vision'

Face it, we are the new banter club, all rival fans laughing loud2 cos we spent 1 billion and still midtable kek

Maybe should relegate to championship and boehly cepat2 sell to some arab prince
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post Sep 27 2023, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 27 2023, 02:28 PM)
Nowadays if you see manager overperforming during his first season, usually the board practically gave him the keys to do what he want, sign players he want so he can overhaul the team quicker and get them playing the way he wants. That's how it worked last time when roman was the owner

Our situation, maybe if you haven't caught on by now, is that board also want more control than they should be afforded. They wanna sign their wishlist of players (for marketability/resale reasons) and then ask the coach to make it work

Don't think boehly/eghbali knows football and is treating it more like a business, we may not be able to tell what shithousery is going on behind the scenes but the mass exodus of employees like vivell and bruno is already sending bad signals
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It actually depend how fans see it,

1) Ppl praising BRIGHTON board/DoF running the show so when they hire new manager/player will still base on their DNA without needed mass exodus to suit a new style. But when CHE want to do it, fans have no patience.

2) The last i remember nobody was complaining much of the mass exodus of our player last transfer windows, fans are mostly happy that those player are gone.

3) When come to player coming in, base on point 1 above, the vision of the club now is buying potential player and develop. Establish player does not guarantee anything, CUCU, KOULIBALY, LUKAKU even STERLING. ENZO is a good buy. FOFANA, NKUNKU, LAVIA all cannot be rate coz of injury, BADIASHILE was looking good to before injury. We could buy MADDISON an establish EPL player but fans will not be happy because is not a big name and if he flop then is the same blaming the board again but look now he is flying with ANGE ball at TOT.

4) I will say that POCH does not have much say on the last transfer window on player coming in and out because he was also new to the squad/DoF but he definitely aware of the plan of the overhaul. So now he have been given a squad by the club, is his job to try his best to make it work and then by the next transfer window or end of season he should have the idea on area he want to improve and then hopefully work with DoF to get it fix.

The keyword is PATIENCE,

5) POCH have a new squad that did not play together and definitely will lack chemistry compare to ANGE have at TOT. Remember ppl are laughing when ANGE is link to us, but is still to early to say whether he will do good at TOT.

6) So far our football is OK base on the chances we managed to create.

7) JACKSON work on the field is good but as a striker of course he will only judge base on the goal score (he is not a prolific striker to begin with base on his VILLAREAL record) so give him some time hope he will improve. If he become GIROUD kind of striker that make other score will be fine too.

8) We still have many injured player that have not show their worth.

Lastly, the only thing that i will worry now is squad morale if team keep losing.

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post Sep 28 2023, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Sep 28 2023, 07:33 AM)
posh need to drop gallagher sterling and silva mext match

or not he is not learning anything from this game..
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PALMER seem good from highlight, POCH should try start him at AMC and drop ENZO to double pivot with CAICEDO. To me ENZO operate better at deep coz more time, space and vision to find those hollywood pass rather than tight space at AMC when he get close down quickly. But he himself want to play higher coz want to score goal but at the moment is not best for the team, so far his shooting/penalty, corner, free kick all cannot make it.

or try PALMER at STERLING role, he seem to be calmer and better vision than STERLING that always make poor decision.

SANCHEZ last 2 match have been making good saves, hopefully gaining back confident but that early mistake could have easily cost us the game as i believe we will not able to win if he going 0-1 down early.
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QUOTE(Shanks747 @ Oct 2 2023, 01:37 PM)
cause our players are all young...most experience conor gallagher ( shit player btw)....most of the player we signed dont even have 200 senior apps....

they lack experience,

poor decision making....always taking a extra touch on the ball when you should just shoot or pass......sometimes need to pass, they shoot

Football is easy , but many make easy become hard.

But they are talented but lacking what they need to do in those situation

Football is all about the IQ, what you thinking .....before you receive the ball you have to know what to do next arldy....you cant get the ball then start thinking, players will press you and close you down

I only can hope they make better decisions....trust me they will score more goals....team sport yo
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Fuyoh cakap macam sendiri play like MESSI, dare say GALLAGHER shit player some more. I wonder how successful are u in real life compare to GALLAGHER ? top in your field ?

Bro wake up, this is not your Football Manager game. Cant have superstar/top player in all position, GALLAGHER have been decent in all the matches he play so far, nothing fantastic but surely does not deserve all these hate. If u dont like to see him play, u better blame POCH for selecting him in the first place. We have many unsung hero contributing to CHE trophy winning in the past like FERREIRA, GALLAS, MIKEL, AZPI, they may not world best in their role but they contribute to the team and get the job done. Every trophy winning team will have these type of player.

Fans hope POCH can discover another KANE in CHE but academy player like GALLAGHER that only have been at the club for 1 season (not first 11 role) and just starting to be given chance to shine already kena criticize even not doing much wrong and be demanded to be sold. If RICE never leave CHE and have years experience starting for WEST HAM he will not have develop and cost 100m that ARS paid.

Good thing is POCH seem to give a lot faith in developing player, the continuous to start MUDRYK seem like helping him back to form.


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QUOTE(GravityFi3ld @ Oct 2 2023, 05:36 PM)
c'mon mate, don't need to kecam each other - we're on the same team here, flying the same blue flag  flex.gif
and yes, game time is what these young lads need  thumbsup.gif
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Sorry, i just feel the kecam on GALLAGHER does not warrant at all.

Anytime I always defend player like GALLAGHER that bleed blue play with their heart over fans that to me feel like the only matter for supporting CHE is winning trophy and bragging right at end season. Time to wake up to reality, gone are the days where CHE are bankroll by RA. With new owner and those drastic rebuild process, i expect we will not be serious contender anytime soon winning major trophy, continue support the team and all i hope is we get the right manager and progressively improve and back to the top.

Been supporting CHE since they are mid table team, then got bankroll to winning multiple trophy and now total rebuild with a young team, is like reading a long novel with great up and low.
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QUOTE(GravityFi3ld @ Oct 2 2023, 06:20 PM)
and those are the best kind of stories  cheers.gif
tbh we still being bankrolled just like RA times -  just the spending pattern very different from RA time, now TB exploiting loopholes to spread out the cash over longer periods   laugh.gif
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RA bankroll no need pay one, BOEHLY gang are all investor, this is a loan, definitely need payback later with much dividend laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE(Shanks747 @ Oct 2 2023, 09:43 PM)
if you think conor gallagher is a good player.....then I dont rate your opinion on football

this last time I will reply to you also....sound like a sad individual.
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My opinion does not matter, most important is now POCH rate GALLAGHER that why he is given chance to show his worth. Everyone is new to POCH, so if chances is given to him and it does not work out then other player will take his place. We still have LAVIA, NKUNKU coming back to fight for spot in the squad. To me, he is good enough to be a CHE squad player, be realistic this is not football manager.

But shit player ? i am pretty sure even football G.O.A.T MESSI cant agree, there is a lot more player not able to play in EPL and CHE laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Look in the mirror.

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QUOTE(dennis008 @ Oct 10 2023, 06:06 PM)
Happy retirement Hazard~

One of the best player (if not the best) who wore blue
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QUOTE(imin @ Oct 11 2023, 05:04 PM)
It was always a joy to watch him play. But him retiring at 32 seems early no?
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I think mostly due to recurring injury. He have only 1 main attribute, which is his acceleration at stand still. He will stop the ball and the defender to stand still then when he start accelerating to dribble again few can catch him (this style is one of the main contributor that slow down CHE attack laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif ) and the only way to stop him going pass is to foul him (if i am not wrong he is the most fouled player for few year in top league) but with age and injury he lost his acceleration.

Same like MESSI and CR7, with age they can no longer rely on their physical attribute so MESSI are mostly playmaking with his passes, free kick while CR7 no longer play as winger but as no.9 poacher rely on his scoring instinct and HAZARD is not great at these either.

But undeniable, at his peak, he is unplayable.

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QUOTE(Lahaha @ Dec 28 2023, 01:58 PM)
How many times Poch want to play players out of position. We have proper RB and LB in Gusto and Maatsen but he stubborn want to play Colwill and Disasi there. Colwill got cooked by Olise. Only when Poch took out Colwill and put Gusto from RB to LB, we challenged Olise but we lost a proper RB because Poch shifted Disasi to become a RB. Disasi passing, movement, crossing is just pathetic as a RB. He is a wall like CB but cannot play as RB.

Luckily Madueke came in on the right side and caused an impact.

Lucky win, I would say. I would like to see Gusto and Maatsen playing in their proper positions as our fullbacks with Mudryk and Madueke on both wings with Palmer in the middle while Nkunku try as the CF.

I can understand giving Jackson time, maybe consider on a loan elsewhere if we bring in a proper CF. Right now Chelsea is under pressure to win games and fans are not appreciating him missing easy chances and always being offside. Luckily this game he had some good passes. Hopefully he is building some chemistry with Mudryk, Nkunku and Palmer. Saw they were attempting some creative passes.

I hope we will go for a ready CF "Victor", not another "promising" young talent "Viktor". We are already 2 seasons in midtable, no one is patient anymore, unless we start a string of winning games to give some breathing space.

So far Gusto been good too, his movement from right to left to compensate Colwill's lack of offensive move on the left to create the first goal. Dude's face looks seasoned, hard to imagine he is only 20yo.
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I mention before let me say it again, gone are the days of rigid formation, LB nowadays do not always means they play on the flank and cross from byline. MANC play AKE and ARS play WHITE on LB now, both are natural CB and when in possession/attacking they move more centrally instead of out wide to byline. It all depend on the formation a manager like to play, especially good for possession football, as they dont so easily get caught by counter attack as their fullback dont often overlap and leave big space, and when they lose possession near opponent box, whos is better than an natural defender to win back those 50/50 ball or breakup play.

-------DISASSI---SILVA---COLWILL
----------GALLAGER--CAICEDO
----------STERLING--PALMER
GUSTO------------------------MUDRYK
----------------JACKSON

Our attacking position is something like above, 3 at the back with GUSTO and MUDRYK support at wide, JACKSON in the box, STERLING and PALMER play just outside the box and forming a box midfield with GALLEGER CAICEDO. U can then see that there is no reason to play a CHILWELL or MAATSEN at that COLWILL position. This is just how POCH want to play now, of course if he is playing for overlap fullback formation then we can blame him for playing COLWILL at LB/LWB instead CHILWELL/CUCU/MAATSEN. We also need to consider overall player height for defending set pieces, imagine we take out COLWILL and replace with CUCU, we basically only have 2 CB that good at challenging aerial ball and statistically JACKSON are not good in the air, he don't use his head much.

I am pretty chill regarding POCH position, the chances we manage to create are good, as for result and standing at the table is not good coz i was hoping we are closer to challenging for top4. With basically a full team of player that new to each other and inexperience, i am still patience. What i am expecting end of season is that we can see significant improvement on how the team playing together.

But the game against WOLVES i was very mad at JACKSON, it was so bad, cant be playing at this level and unable to sort out his feet and as a central forward with height, why do u even come and to take a short corner and not staying in the box.

As for GUSTO, totally agree with u, he bring so much energy and confident. flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jan 11 2024, 05:02 AM)
Any striker wouldn't make a difference under poch

When he at psg, he had messi, neymar and mbappe and made them so mediocre

He even played messi at dm lel
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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Feb 5 2024, 12:13 AM)
told you, 4 at the back is disaster, we concede so many ball from channels ....

play 343 drop gallagher and sterling...
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If not wrong POCH have never play 343/352. There is a reason why COLWILL a natural CB play LB in POCH back 4, same with WHITE for ARS, GVARDIOL/AKE for MANC, some just dont get it and keep asking to play CHILWELL/MAATSEN there without considering the balance in attacking and defending. CHILWELL play higher up will just leave DISASI and THIAGO too expose to defend turnover. CUCU is a better defensive option if COLWILL is not available.

If POCH want to play traditional back 4 with 2 attacking fullback he will need to play a covering DM (do we even have 1 ?), so when fullback attack, DM will drop back and form a back 3 to defend turnover. CAICEDO is a ball winning CM not a DM, his strength is press the opponent to win the ball back early and covering is not his profile.

The top team/attacking football trend now is pressing and winning the ball back early, that why we no longer hear term like have a DM to protect the CB. So team rather have ball winning CM in the team and transition wise, instead having a DM to drop to left or right or fullback racing up and down, playing a natural CB at LB/RB to form a back 3 when attacking involve less running for players. When we attack, COLWILL just move middle to form a back 3, GUSTO/REECE are able to attack freely and no need to race back during turnover, CAICEDO is free to charge at opponent to win the ball with 3 solid CB behind him.

Actually POCH formation is not that bad, those xG we manage to create proves that, before the problem lies with finishing but now we have problem with defense, we does not seem to have confirm back 4 (not help by injury), hope POCH just stick to COLWILL THIAGO DISASI GUSTO for a while and let the teamwork build up, if we have to sacrifice CHILWELL/MAATSEN so be it. But there is also possibility where we can change attacking RB to LB,

CHILWELL JACKSON STERLING
-------PALMER GALLAGHER
---------ENZO CAICEDO
--COLWILL THIAGO DISASI


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QUOTE(Shanks747 @ Mar 5 2024, 11:06 AM)

I was actually okay with Potter also but Potter situation was worst then what POCH have now.....Potter had nearly 35+ players to manage, plus his situation was attackers not scoring the chances, but that was old players Mount, Havertz, ziyech, pulsic, etc

Under Potter we had a system, defensively we were good...only the midfield and attack problem. But this season we got marlo gusto ,caicedo, Nunkuku, Cole palmer, jackson, we actually got better upgrades but we dont have a manager

I think Potter would have gotten us 6 th if he stayed.

E > D > C > B > A
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I would not say POTTER situation was worst compare POCH,

Squad wise, POTTER have a CL winning squad, an experience squad that play together for a few season. Compare to POCH, a squad almost everyone is new to each other and young.

Football wise, i dont think POTTER have the xG that POCH team has.

Result, same same both at 11th place, which is not acceptable with the player they have at their disposal.

But both team have one problem in common, BOEHLY, one that give a manager 35 player to manage and then give another a brand new youngster squad. Not to forget the one that sack TT because he is not a yes man.



QUOTE(Shanks747 @ Mar 5 2024, 12:05 PM)
Jose now still better then Poch lol...Jose win trophies
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JM record undeniable, at TOT get sack before League Cup final, could have win them a trophy. At ROMA, win Europa Conference, next season lost Europa League final.

But i dont think his siege mentality style and throw player at media suit CHE young player now and confirm he wont be yes man for BOEHLY.

If we try to build for long term we have to give time to POCH, at least a full season, judge him at the end of season. Result have to be significant better, a minimum top6.






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