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post Jul 13 2023, 12:05 PM, updated 3y ago

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Before you all kecam, I also read it in quora
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Thailand
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Basically, the term refer to the 2 different kingdoms at various different point in time.

Ayuttaya is the old kingdom, the predecessor of modern day Thailand. The kingdom was defeated and partitioned into many smaller states which were unified and re-incorporate in to Thonburi and Rattanakosin, both of which are Bangkok-based Empire.

Siam is the name given to Thai by foreign people for as far back as Ayuttaya and possibly even older. The term came from the Khmer who name the ancient Tai tribe “Siem” (Thief) and was pick up by every foreign traders and dignitaries eversince (the same way people call the Deutch German)

By the late 19th century, Siam became the Rattanakosin was officially named Siam and was composed of the original Bangkokian empire, Lanna (Chiangmai-based kingdom), Lanxang (Lao), and a large part of Cambodia.

During the 20th however, the arrival of the French and Britiah colonial empire saw the lost of these territories which prompted the rise of nationalism.

This trend reached its peak in 1932 which saw the nationalist government overthrown the monarchy and the country was henced renamed Thailand (land of the Thai and not Siem’s country) to reflect this nationalistic tendecy.

Territories were gained and lost again following the WWII but the name stick and so it still is today.


https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-differenc...am-and-Thailand

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saya suka makan siam = saya suka makan coklat ? drool.gif
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM

 
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Memang la different.

You see thailand got mee siam or not?
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM)
Memang la different.

You see thailand got mee siam or not?
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No meh ?
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM

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So they can eventually break away?

I wanna support Thaiwan independence.
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QUOTE(WhiskeyTango777 @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM)
It's like BKK and Krueng Thep je......hmm.gif
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Apa tu BKK ?
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM)
No meh ?
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Got meh?
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM)
Got meh?
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:16 PM

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post Jul 13 2023, 12:17 PM

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post Jul 13 2023, 12:19 PM

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the boys from siam and thai
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM)
Apa tu BKK ?
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Got Thai gf last time they said Siam consider darker skins while Thai fairest skins. Not sure which one is true
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QUOTE(tupai @ Jul 13 2023, 12:20 PM)
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:23 PM

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siam is old thailand right, then they change to thailand. same like malaya is old name for malaysia and temask is old name for singapore

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post Jul 13 2023, 12:24 PM

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During child time
Ayam grandma speak hokkien

Siam Luo = Thailand
Siam Riep = Cambodia

Siam = Go away
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:25 PM

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I only know siam bu and not thai bu (dialect speaking)

My old granny said my uncle married a siam-boh and not thai-boh

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Jul 13 2023, 12:17 PM)
Thailand has no ethnic breakdown in their legal documents.  King Rama 8 abolished it.

Trust a Malaysian to dig it out for Thailand.

Incidentally, Malaysia JPN’s ethnic group (apart from Malay, Chinese, Indian) also includes Thai and Siam (and still Malaysian).
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but ktard fav SG got

oh wai
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:28 PM

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malaysia very power

thai punya hal also can race as their hal

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post Jul 13 2023, 12:29 PM

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Thai / Tai came down to siam from southern china after conquered by the chinese han from the north and Thais are not han chinese.

Siam originally are khmer/cambodia people, now concentrated on Thailand northeast aka Issan
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ya.. same like tanah melayu and malaysia also "different"... owai..

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if your thai gf is fair than is thaibu, if is dark skin is siambu
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Afaik siam is pre thai era kingdom that cover more place than current thai. Due to wars it lose a lot lands.
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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Jul 13 2023, 12:29 PM)
Thai / Tai came down to siam from southern china after conquered by the chinese han from the north and Thais are not han chinese.

Siam originally are khmer/cambodia people, now concentrated on Thailand northeast aka Issan
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Issan girls, best wei
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Siambu, Siam Ong

Siamdiu

it's all SIAM

siam thay, siam lang, siam chiak
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Jul 13 2023, 12:39 PM)
Issan girls, best wei
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most easygoing among the thais
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM)
So they can eventually break away?

I wanna support Thaiwan independence.
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Southern Thai got separatist movement

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
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post Jul 13 2023, 02:01 PM

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read in quora TOPKEK
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I ask Thailand amoi, why Thai got brack and fair pipu

Then she say oh because of sun exposure....

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QUOTE(tvcat @ Jul 13 2023, 02:01 PM)
read in quora TOPKEK
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Wiki also same info but I feel quora got some storytelling skills
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Jul 13 2023, 12:39 PM)
Issan girls, best wei
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Northeastern of Thai. Pro-Thaksin
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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Jul 13 2023, 12:48 PM)
most easygoing among the thais
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jul 13 2023, 02:19 PM)
Northeastern of Thai. Pro-Thaksin
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chiang mai, chaing rai

wooooooo best wei

the girls there all very willing
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM)
Apa tu BKK ?
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No wonder mee siam and mee thai different.
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QUOTE(WhiskeyTango777 @ Jul 13 2023, 02:33 PM)
Bangkok la
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Jul 13 2023, 02:32 PM)
chiang mai, chaing rai

wooooooo best wei

the girls there all very willing
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No bro.
Cheng mai/rai (bordering burma/myanmar) and Isan (bordering laos) are two different region of thailand.

Udon Thani, Khon Kaen are in Isan region

The fairer skin, you me rike are cheng mai/rai

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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:05 PM)

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She thinks that Yangtze River and Yellow River are the same. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth lol...

The name Thailand was given by Phibun, the fella who staged a coup against the Chakri monarchy in the 30s. He was a modernist and nationalist.

In the mid 40s, Phibun was ousted and the name was changed back to Siam for a few years. In 1948, Phibun returned to power through another military coup and the name changed back to Thailand.
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Jul 13 2023, 02:32 PM)
chiang mai, chaing rai

wooooooo best wei

the girls there all very willing
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Northern =/= Northeastern

you have no idea what you talking about hor
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Jul 13 2023, 12:20 PM)
Got Thai gf last time they said Siam consider darker skins while Thai fairest skins. Not sure which one is true
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fair skin thai is mixed chinese wan, like thaksin family
their ancestor is from guangdong area
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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Jul 13 2023, 12:29 PM)
Thai / Tai came down to siam from southern china after conquered by the chinese han from the north and Thais are not han chinese.

Siam originally are khmer/cambodia people, now concentrated on Thailand northeast aka Issan
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nonsense, stop making up bullshit pls
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Jul 13 2023, 12:17 PM)
Thailand has no ethnic breakdown in their legal documents.  King Rama 8 abolished it.

Trust a Malaysian to dig it out for Thailand.

Incidentally, Malaysia JPN’s ethnic group (apart from Malay, Chinese, Indian) also includes Thai and Siam (and still Malaysian).
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same wif indo
everyone is the same
can be diff kg & ethnic group
but all indonesian

meresiah practice systemic racism
malaysian bumiputera
malaysian chinese
malaysian indian

same like murica
american
african american

deswai jada kena kecam with her black cleopatra
i) confirm she dun have that lineage
ii) they dun see color there, all egyptians
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 13 2023, 02:43 PM)
She thinks that Yangtze River and Yellow River are the same. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth lol...

The name Thailand was given by Phibun, the fella who staged a coup against the Chakri monarchy in the 30s. He was a modernist and nationalist.

In the mid 40s, Phibun was ousted and the name was changed back to Siam for a few years. In 1948, Phibun returned to power through another military coup and the name changed back to Thailand.
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Interesting 😅
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QUOTE(zenix @ Jul 13 2023, 02:50 PM)
same wif indo
everyone is the same
can be diff kg & ethnic group
but all indonesian

meresiah practice systemic racism
malaysian bumiputera
malaysian chinese
malaysian indian

same like murica
american
african american

deswai jada kena kecam with her black cleopatra
i) confirm she dun have that lineage
ii) they dun see color there, all egyptians
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lol who says Indonesia don't have?
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Cukur our ppl not asimilate w each other if not sked dunno where asal usul kek
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I only know mee siam and pad thai. very different.
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM)
No meh ?
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jul 13 2023, 02:42 PM)
No bro.
Cheng mai/rai (bordering burma/myanmar) and Isan (bordering laos) are two different region of thailand.

Udon Thani, Khon Kaen are in Isan region

The fairer skin, you me rike are cheng mai/rai
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 13 2023, 02:44 PM)
Northern =/= Northeastern

you have no idea what you talking about hor
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doesnt matter, had sex

the girls bordering vientianne also sedap

sometimes go hatyai ask where they from, they say vientiane or mientian, whatever la

makan je
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 13 2023, 02:49 PM)
nonsense, stop making up bullshit pls
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Then freely shared your knowledge about Thai history demographics
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Last time my Thai kolik say he can understand Lao because it's similar to Thai. So i assume it's similar like Bahasa.
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 02:03 PM)
Wiki also same info but I feel quora got some storytelling skills
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Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_people
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As a result of government policy during the 1930s and 1940s resulting in successful forced assimilation of many the various ethno-linguistic groups in the country into the dominant Central Thai language and culture, the term Thai people has come to refer to the population of Thailand in general

TLDR:
Thai: Race and/or nationality (same as Malay)
Siam: Nationality

Maybe the Tai ethnic group are part of Austronesian people. If yes, she isn't entirely wrong.

Also TIL there is Karen ethnic group, from reading about Thai ppl. For this reason I prefer wiki > quora.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_people
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Jul 14 2023, 08:21 PM)
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_people

TLDR:
Thai: Race and/or nationality (same as Malay)
Siam: Nationality

Maybe the Tai ethnic group are part of Austronesian people. If yes, she isn't entirely wrong.

Also TIL there is Karen ethnic group, from reading about Thai ppl. For this reason I prefer wiki > quora.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_people
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Karen lol
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QUOTE(PerfectZero @ Jul 14 2023, 08:16 PM)
Last time my Thai kolik say he can understand Lao because it's similar to Thai. So i assume it's similar like Bahasa.
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Cambodian also can understand Thai a bit. Nothing surprising lah they live near to one another.
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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jul 13 2023, 12:24 PM)
During child time
Ayam grandma speak hokkien

Siam Luo = Thailand
Siam Riep = Cambodia

Siam = Go away
Kekwa
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The name Siam reap means the Siam was defeated (in a war between Siam and Cambodia).
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apa chocolat chocolat.. si nam tan .

so dark malay are ori malay.. fair malay are from northern near golok river.
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The only place in Thailand I feel familiar is Chinatown because they speak teowchew which I can fairly converse and understand
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QUOTE(PerfectZero @ Jul 14 2023, 08:16 PM)
Last time my Thai kolik say he can understand Lao because it's similar to Thai. So i assume it's similar like Bahasa.
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He is probably from Issan. The Issan language is very close to Lao language.
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thai is nationality
thailand has many ethnicity
Tai-kadai
Mon-khmer
Tibeto-burman
Sino-tibetan
Austroasiatic
Austronesian
Dravidian
etc.

Siamese was used during colonial period
hard labour (slave), farmer, fisherman commonly has tanned skin or darker complexion.
nobility, aristocrat naturally has fairer skin complexion

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