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Didn't know that Thai and Siam are different
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 13 2023, 12:05 PM, updated 3y ago
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Before you all kecam, I also read it in quora » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE How are Thai and Siam different?
Thai is a major ethnic in Thailand (Siam), Siam mean dark people. Siam is a name of Thai kingdom since Ayuthaya Period. It commonly appear in many western book, manuscript etc. However, in the period of Rama V, The concept of national state that’s influenced by western were adopted by Thai king and Siam become a name of a nation in South East Asia.
In Chinese Archives called Siam by using a word "เสี่ยมล้อ" (暹羅) [Xiānluó] since Sukhothai Period. Some evidence indicate the Siam word is from 2 words, “xian” is from the name of Sukhothai kingdom, luo is from the name of Lavo kingdom (later, Ayuthaya kingdom). So China is a first nation that using the word “Siam” for call a south kingdom. From this evidence, It is assumed that Siam is a name that Chinese call a south nation, then western country use this name for call Thailand.
Thailand is a name of current Siam, Although the name was changed on 24 June 1939 , At the time Thailand was in a period of Nationalism (Fascism) that led by Plaek Phibunsongkhram.
“Using word Siam is not appropriate for our national ethnic (Thai), In future foreigner that live in our country maybe claim Siam as own country. We are Thai we are living in Siam, Chinese also live in Siam, If migration of foreigner increase in thousands years, we will not understand what is Siam, who was own of Siam? ”
- Plaek have said about the using Thailand instead of Siam in Parliament 1939.
In fact, English name of Thailand was changed back to Siam again, and nationality of Siam also was changed to Siamese in a short period of Pridi Banomyong in 1946 - 1949. In 1949 Plaek Phibunsongkhram was elected to the government, So he changed the nation name back to Thailand/Thai again.
By the way, before 1946 Thai was also used for name of nation in the same way with Siam without separation.
In term of use, word Siam still in use for literature and poem. or about royalty such as Sayamminthr (สยามมินทร์; lit;leader of Siam)
In my opinion, Siam/Siamese is a best word to refer to current Thailand because Thai is a majority ethnic, but Thailand is not only Thai living. However Thailand racial conflict is not a problem. Everyone thought they are Thai, although they are Chinese or minorities. https://www.quora.com/How-are-Thai-and-Siam-differentThailand  Siam  Ayuthaya  QUOTE Basically, the term refer to the 2 different kingdoms at various different point in time.
Ayuttaya is the old kingdom, the predecessor of modern day Thailand. The kingdom was defeated and partitioned into many smaller states which were unified and re-incorporate in to Thonburi and Rattanakosin, both of which are Bangkok-based Empire.
Siam is the name given to Thai by foreign people for as far back as Ayuttaya and possibly even older. The term came from the Khmer who name the ancient Tai tribe “Siem” (Thief) and was pick up by every foreign traders and dignitaries eversince (the same way people call the Deutch German)
By the late 19th century, Siam became the Rattanakosin was officially named Siam and was composed of the original Bangkokian empire, Lanna (Chiangmai-based kingdom), Lanxang (Lao), and a large part of Cambodia.
During the 20th however, the arrival of the French and Britiah colonial empire saw the lost of these territories which prompted the rise of nationalism.
This trend reached its peak in 1932 which saw the nationalist government overthrown the monarchy and the country was henced renamed Thailand (land of the Thai and not Siem’s country) to reflect this nationalistic tendecy.
Territories were gained and lost again following the WWII but the name stick and so it still is today. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-differenc...am-and-ThailandThis post has been edited by bananajoe: Jul 13 2023, 12:11 PM
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khaimitoban
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Jul 13 2023, 12:12 PM
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racist
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lonely66
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Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM
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saya suka makan siam = saya suka makan coklat ?
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poweredbydiscuz
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Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM
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Memang la different.
You see thailand got mee siam or not?
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WhiskeyTango777
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Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM
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It's like BKK and Krueng Thep je......
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM) Memang la different. You see thailand got mee siam or not? No meh ?
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Slowpokeking
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Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM
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So they can eventually break away?
I wanna support Thaiwan independence.
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(WhiskeyTango777 @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM) It's like BKK and Krueng Thep je......  Apa tu BKK ?
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poweredbydiscuz
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Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM) Got meh?
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 13 2023, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM)
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emburrar
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Jul 13 2023, 12:16 PM
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Kap
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SUSWahlberg
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Jul 13 2023, 12:19 PM
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the boys from siam and thai
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tupai
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Jul 13 2023, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM) bukkake
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Azury36
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Jul 13 2023, 12:20 PM
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Got Thai gf last time they said Siam consider darker skins while Thai fairest skins. Not sure which one is true
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 13 2023, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(tupai @ Jul 13 2023, 12:20 PM) Ooo tq
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Burningsunz
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Jul 13 2023, 12:23 PM
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siam is old thailand right, then they change to thailand. same like malaya is old name for malaysia and temask is old name for singapore
This post has been edited by Burningsunz: Jul 13 2023, 12:24 PM
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hcmalaya
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Jul 13 2023, 12:24 PM
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During child time Ayam grandma speak hokkien
Siam Luo = Thailand Siam Riep = Cambodia
Siam = Go away Kekwa
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jojolicia
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Jul 13 2023, 12:25 PM
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I only know siam bu and not thai bu (dialect speaking)
My old granny said my uncle married a siam-boh and not thai-boh
This post has been edited by jojolicia: Jul 13 2023, 12:26 PM
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SUSM4A1
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Jul 13 2023, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Jul 13 2023, 12:17 PM) Thailand has no ethnic breakdown in their legal documents. King Rama 8 abolished it. Trust a Malaysian to dig it out for Thailand. Incidentally, Malaysia JPN’s ethnic group (apart from Malay, Chinese, Indian) also includes Thai and Siam (and still Malaysian). but ktard fav SG got oh wai
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damonlbs
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Jul 13 2023, 12:28 PM
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malaysia very power
thai punya hal also can race as their hal
This post has been edited by damonlbs: Jul 13 2023, 12:28 PM
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pinamorita
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Jul 13 2023, 12:29 PM
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Thai / Tai came down to siam from southern china after conquered by the chinese han from the north and Thais are not han chinese.
Siam originally are khmer/cambodia people, now concentrated on Thailand northeast aka Issan
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dickybird
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Jul 13 2023, 12:30 PM
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Old name and new name je kap
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brkli
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Jul 13 2023, 12:30 PM
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ya.. same like tanah melayu and malaysia also "different"... owai..
This post has been edited by brkli: Jul 13 2023, 12:30 PM
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il0ve51
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Jul 13 2023, 12:31 PM
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if your thai gf is fair than is thaibu, if is dark skin is siambu
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stupiak07
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Jul 13 2023, 12:33 PM
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No read.
Afaik siam is pre thai era kingdom that cover more place than current thai. Due to wars it lose a lot lands.
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God Grid
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Jul 13 2023, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Jul 13 2023, 12:29 PM) Thai / Tai came down to siam from southern china after conquered by the chinese han from the north and Thais are not han chinese. Siam originally are khmer/cambodia people, now concentrated on Thailand northeast aka Issan Issan girls, best wei
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God Grid
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Jul 13 2023, 12:40 PM
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Siambu, Siam Ong
Siamdiu
it's all SIAM
siam thay, siam lang, siam chiak
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pinamorita
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Jul 13 2023, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Jul 13 2023, 12:39 PM) most easygoing among the thais
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linkinstreet
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Jul 13 2023, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM) So they can eventually break away? I wanna support Thaiwan independence. Southern Thai got separatist movement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
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tvcat
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Jul 13 2023, 02:01 PM
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read in quora TOPKEK
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Knnbuccb
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Jul 13 2023, 02:03 PM
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I ask Thailand amoi, why Thai got brack and fair pipu
Then she say oh because of sun exposure....
This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Jul 13 2023, 02:03 PM
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 13 2023, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(tvcat @ Jul 13 2023, 02:01 PM) Wiki also same info but I feel quora got some storytelling skills
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jojolicia
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Jul 13 2023, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Jul 13 2023, 12:39 PM) Northeastern of Thai. Pro-Thaksin
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mac_mac21
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Jul 13 2023, 02:24 PM
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Dulu mana ada internet....
Jadi isu kulit dan racist ni kurang
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DarkNite
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Jul 13 2023, 02:28 PM
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British shouldn't have come!
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God Grid
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Jul 13 2023, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Jul 13 2023, 12:48 PM) most easygoing among the thais QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jul 13 2023, 02:19 PM) Northeastern of Thai. Pro-Thaksin chiang mai, chaing rai wooooooo best wei the girls there all very willing
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WhiskeyTango777
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Jul 13 2023, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM) Bangkok la
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Capt. Marble
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Jul 13 2023, 02:37 PM
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No wonder mee siam and mee thai different.
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 13 2023, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(WhiskeyTango777 @ Jul 13 2023, 02:33 PM) Lol ok
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jojolicia
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Jul 13 2023, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Jul 13 2023, 02:32 PM) chiang mai, chaing rai wooooooo best wei the girls there all very willing No bro. Cheng mai/rai (bordering burma/myanmar) and Isan (bordering laos) are two different region of thailand. Udon Thani, Khon Kaen are in Isan region The fairer skin, you me rike are cheng mai/rai This post has been edited by jojolicia: Jul 13 2023, 02:50 PM
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differ
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Jul 13 2023, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:05 PM) She thinks that Yangtze River and Yellow River are the same. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth lol... The name Thailand was given by Phibun, the fella who staged a coup against the Chakri monarchy in the 30s. He was a modernist and nationalist. In the mid 40s, Phibun was ousted and the name was changed back to Siam for a few years. In 1948, Phibun returned to power through another military coup and the name changed back to Thailand.
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differ
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Jul 13 2023, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Jul 13 2023, 02:32 PM) chiang mai, chaing rai wooooooo best wei the girls there all very willing Northern =/= Northeastern you have no idea what you talking about hor
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DDG_Ross
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Jul 13 2023, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(Azury36 @ Jul 13 2023, 12:20 PM) Got Thai gf last time they said Siam consider darker skins while Thai fairest skins. Not sure which one is true fair skin thai is mixed chinese wan, like thaksin family their ancestor is from guangdong area
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differ
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Jul 13 2023, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Jul 13 2023, 12:29 PM) Thai / Tai came down to siam from southern china after conquered by the chinese han from the north and Thais are not han chinese. Siam originally are khmer/cambodia people, now concentrated on Thailand northeast aka Issan nonsense, stop making up bullshit pls
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cursetheroad01
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Jul 13 2023, 02:49 PM
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Kek Basically covert racism
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zenix
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Jul 13 2023, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Jul 13 2023, 12:17 PM) Thailand has no ethnic breakdown in their legal documents. King Rama 8 abolished it. Trust a Malaysian to dig it out for Thailand. Incidentally, Malaysia JPN’s ethnic group (apart from Malay, Chinese, Indian) also includes Thai and Siam (and still Malaysian). same wif indo everyone is the same can be diff kg & ethnic group but all indonesian meresiah practice systemic racism malaysian bumiputera malaysian chinese malaysian indian same like murica american african american deswai jada kena kecam with her black cleopatra i) confirm she dun have that lineage ii) they dun see color there, all egyptians
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 13 2023, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 13 2023, 02:43 PM) She thinks that Yangtze River and Yellow River are the same. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth lol... The name Thailand was given by Phibun, the fella who staged a coup against the Chakri monarchy in the 30s. He was a modernist and nationalist. In the mid 40s, Phibun was ousted and the name was changed back to Siam for a few years. In 1948, Phibun returned to power through another military coup and the name changed back to Thailand. Interesting 😅
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differ
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Jul 13 2023, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(zenix @ Jul 13 2023, 02:50 PM) same wif indo everyone is the same can be diff kg & ethnic group but all indonesian meresiah practice systemic racism malaysian bumiputera malaysian chinese malaysian indian same like murica american african american deswai jada kena kecam with her black cleopatra i) confirm she dun have that lineage ii) they dun see color there, all egyptians lol who says Indonesia don't have?
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cablesguy
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Jul 13 2023, 04:24 PM
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Tldr
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Hanzeviera
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Jul 13 2023, 05:28 PM
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Cukur our ppl not asimilate w each other if not sked dunno where asal usul kek
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takbodoh722
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Jul 13 2023, 05:50 PM
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I only know mee siam and pad thai. very different.
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kcchong2000
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Jul 13 2023, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM) Pad Thai only.
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God Grid
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Jul 14 2023, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jul 13 2023, 02:42 PM) No bro. Cheng mai/rai (bordering burma/myanmar) and Isan (bordering laos) are two different region of thailand. Udon Thani, Khon Kaen are in Isan region The fairer skin, you me rike are cheng mai/rai QUOTE(differ @ Jul 13 2023, 02:44 PM) Northern =/= Northeastern you have no idea what you talking about hor doesnt matter, had sex the girls bordering vientianne also sedap sometimes go hatyai ask where they from, they say vientiane or mientian, whatever la makan je
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pinamorita
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Jul 14 2023, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 13 2023, 02:49 PM) nonsense, stop making up bullshit pls Then freely shared your knowledge about Thai history demographics
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PerfectZero
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Jul 14 2023, 08:16 PM
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Last time my Thai kolik say he can understand Lao because it's similar to Thai. So i assume it's similar like Bahasa.
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knumskul
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Jul 14 2023, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 13 2023, 02:03 PM) Wiki also same info but I feel quora got some storytelling skills Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_peopleQUOTE As a result of government policy during the 1930s and 1940s resulting in successful forced assimilation of many the various ethno-linguistic groups in the country into the dominant Central Thai language and culture, the term Thai people has come to refer to the population of Thailand in general TLDR: Thai: Race and/or nationality (same as Malay) Siam: Nationality Maybe the Tai ethnic group are part of Austronesian people. If yes, she isn't entirely wrong. Also TIL there is Karen ethnic group, from reading about Thai ppl. For this reason I prefer wiki > quora. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_people
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SUSbananajoe
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Jul 14 2023, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Jul 14 2023, 08:21 PM) Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_peopleTLDR: Thai: Race and/or nationality (same as Malay) Siam: Nationality Maybe the Tai ethnic group are part of Austronesian people. If yes, she isn't entirely wrong. Also TIL there is Karen ethnic group, from reading about Thai ppl. For this reason I prefer wiki > quora. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_peopleKaren lol
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billylks
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Jul 14 2023, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(PerfectZero @ Jul 14 2023, 08:16 PM) Last time my Thai kolik say he can understand Lao because it's similar to Thai. So i assume it's similar like Bahasa. Cambodian also can understand Thai a bit. Nothing surprising lah they live near to one another.
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billylks
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Jul 14 2023, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Jul 13 2023, 12:24 PM) During child time Ayam grandma speak hokkien Siam Luo = Thailand Siam Riep = Cambodia Siam = Go away Kekwa The name Siam reap means the Siam was defeated (in a war between Siam and Cambodia).
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SUSdreign
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Jul 14 2023, 09:32 PM
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apa chocolat chocolat.. si nam tan .
so dark malay are ori malay.. fair malay are from northern near golok river.
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jimmyktp
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Jul 14 2023, 09:39 PM
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The only place in Thailand I feel familiar is Chinatown because they speak teowchew which I can fairly converse and understand
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differ
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Jul 14 2023, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(PerfectZero @ Jul 14 2023, 08:16 PM) Last time my Thai kolik say he can understand Lao because it's similar to Thai. So i assume it's similar like Bahasa. He is probably from Issan. The Issan language is very close to Lao language.
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arrowhead7372
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Jul 14 2023, 11:11 PM
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my boss is siam lady
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sportivo
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Jul 15 2023, 01:19 AM
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thai is nationality thailand has many ethnicity Tai-kadai Mon-khmer Tibeto-burman Sino-tibetan Austroasiatic Austronesian Dravidian etc.
Siamese was used during colonial period hard labour (slave), farmer, fisherman commonly has tanned skin or darker complexion. nobility, aristocrat naturally has fairer skin complexion
This post has been edited by sportivo: Jul 15 2023, 01:33 AM
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