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post Jul 13 2023, 12:05 PM, updated 3y ago

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Before you all kecam, I also read it in quora
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Thailand
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Siam
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Ayuthaya
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Basically, the term refer to the 2 different kingdoms at various different point in time.

Ayuttaya is the old kingdom, the predecessor of modern day Thailand. The kingdom was defeated and partitioned into many smaller states which were unified and re-incorporate in to Thonburi and Rattanakosin, both of which are Bangkok-based Empire.

Siam is the name given to Thai by foreign people for as far back as Ayuttaya and possibly even older. The term came from the Khmer who name the ancient Tai tribe “Siem” (Thief) and was pick up by every foreign traders and dignitaries eversince (the same way people call the Deutch German)

By the late 19th century, Siam became the Rattanakosin was officially named Siam and was composed of the original Bangkokian empire, Lanna (Chiangmai-based kingdom), Lanxang (Lao), and a large part of Cambodia.

During the 20th however, the arrival of the French and Britiah colonial empire saw the lost of these territories which prompted the rise of nationalism.

This trend reached its peak in 1932 which saw the nationalist government overthrown the monarchy and the country was henced renamed Thailand (land of the Thai and not Siem’s country) to reflect this nationalistic tendecy.

Territories were gained and lost again following the WWII but the name stick and so it still is today.


https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-differenc...am-and-Thailand

This post has been edited by bananajoe: Jul 13 2023, 12:11 PM
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM)
Memang la different.

You see thailand got mee siam or not?
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No meh ?
SUSbananajoe
post Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(WhiskeyTango777 @ Jul 13 2023, 12:14 PM)
It's like BKK and Krueng Thep je......hmm.gif
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Apa tu BKK ?
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post Jul 13 2023, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 13 2023, 12:15 PM)
Got meh?
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SUSbananajoe
post Jul 13 2023, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(tupai @ Jul 13 2023, 12:20 PM)
bukkake
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Ooo tq
SUSbananajoe
post Jul 13 2023, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(tvcat @ Jul 13 2023, 02:01 PM)
read in quora TOPKEK
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Wiki also same info but I feel quora got some storytelling skills
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post Jul 13 2023, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(WhiskeyTango777 @ Jul 13 2023, 02:33 PM)
Bangkok la
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Lol ok
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post Jul 13 2023, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 13 2023, 02:43 PM)
She thinks that Yangtze River and Yellow River are the same. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth lol...

The name Thailand was given by Phibun, the fella who staged a coup against the Chakri monarchy in the 30s. He was a modernist and nationalist.

In the mid 40s, Phibun was ousted and the name was changed back to Siam for a few years. In 1948, Phibun returned to power through another military coup and the name changed back to Thailand.
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Interesting 😅
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post Jul 14 2023, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Jul 14 2023, 08:21 PM)
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_people

TLDR:
Thai: Race and/or nationality (same as Malay)
Siam: Nationality

Maybe the Tai ethnic group are part of Austronesian people. If yes, she isn't entirely wrong.

Also TIL there is Karen ethnic group, from reading about Thai ppl. For this reason I prefer wiki > quora.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_people
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Karen lol

 

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