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 New Government Hospital at Skudai,Johor, Near Taman Universiti and UTM

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Faidzal
post Mar 28 2025, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 26 2025, 05:59 AM)
But the returns r not sufficient for building maintenance what more new buildings to replace the old.
So when this land is acquired for HSA2, is UTM compensated based on market rate?
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UTM is a govt. statutory board, they get annual allocation from govt. anyway.

and the land they sit on is federal land, but gazetted under their name.

govt. can always regazette any land for any purpose
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post Jun 26 2025, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jun 30 2023, 06:41 AM)
Want to see unused land in skudai? Go in UTM / nearby Taman U
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Do you know the Taman Sri Skudai jungle ?

The jungle is opposite Taman Desa Skudai


Who is the land owner?

The house prices there haven't increased as much as in Taman Tun Aminah or Taman Selesa Jaya, probably because it's a dead-end road — the area is blocked off by a big forest.

Lately, Taman Mutiara Rini is also getting quite jammed with traffic.

If a new road is built connecting Taman Mutiara Rini to the old MBJBT building in Skudai — using the jungle road through Taman Sri Putri — it could really improve accessibility.

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: Jun 26 2025, 05:31 PM
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post Jun 26 2025, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Mar 28 2025, 12:41 AM)
UTM is a govt. statutory board, they get annual allocation from govt. anyway.

and the land they sit on is federal land, but gazetted under their name.

govt. can always regazette any land for any purpose
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Do you know the Taman Sri Skudai jungle ?



The jungle is opposite Taman Desa Skudai


Who is the land owner?

The house prices there haven't increased as much as in Taman Tun Aminah or Taman Selesa Jaya, probably because it's a dead-end road — the area is blocked off by a big forest.

Lately, Taman Mutiara Rini is also getting quite jammed with traffic.

If a new road is built connecting Taman Mutiara Rini to the old MBJBT building in Skudai — using the jungle road through Taman Sri Putri — it could really improve accessibility.

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: Jun 26 2025, 05:30 PM
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post Jun 26 2025, 07:26 PM

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Gud luck to Mutiara Rini people lol. Now also already jam like hell. Build hospital there confirm gg.

Lucky unker don't beli house there back in 2010.

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post Jun 26 2025, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(saiga @ Jun 26 2025, 07:26 PM)
Gud luck to Mutiara Rini people lol. Now also already jam like hell. Build hospital there confirm gg.

Lucky unker don't beli house there back in 2010.
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But if you had bought a house there in 2010, the price would have already increased by 100% by now.

So which taman house do you bought?

Do you know there are a big jungle between mutiara rini and taman sri skudai?

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post Jun 26 2025, 07:47 PM

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why not build new hospital at medini area? no jam and so much land....
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post Jun 26 2025, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(saiga @ Jun 26 2025, 07:26 PM)
Gud luck to Mutiara Rini people lol. Now also already jam like hell. Build hospital there confirm gg.

Lucky unker don't beli house there back in 2010.
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why is it jammed?

that area sounds abit low m40 to high b40-ish...


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post Jun 26 2025, 07:51 PM

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i tot now got lack of doctors

u see the garment very funny one

when got influx of doctors, they dunwan build hospital

then when doctor numbers come down they wanna build

then this makes the work more stressful

and the vicious cycle of people quitting continues

sohai garment lol
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post Jun 26 2025, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Jun 26 2025, 07:49 PM)
why is it jammed?

that area sounds  abit low m40 to high b40-ish...
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There are many double storey house

Gated and guarded

Now even old house at there can sell RM800k
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post Jun 26 2025, 08:11 PM

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The government doesn't have the funds. This project will not be easy to kick-start. With 1,800 beds and the Private Finance Initiative (PFI) approach — build and lease back to the government — the cost is significant. Based on the benchmark of RM 1.5 million per bed (excluding equipment, which will be provided by the tenant/Ministry of Health), the total project value comes to:

RM 1.5 million × 1,500 beds = RM 2.25 billion

How many companies have the financial capacity to secure such large-scale financing? Even if split into few phases - assume 3 phases. 1 phase 1/3 = RM 750 mil.

This capital must be fully funded upfront. Only after completion can you slowly bill the government over time. It may look like a lucrative project, but the upfront financial risk is substantial. How long will the PFI terms take to recoup the initial capital?

If anything goes wrong, the company could go from hero to zero — straight into bankruptcy. I doubt many players are willing to participate once they understand the risks associated with PFI.



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post Jun 26 2025, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 26 2025, 08:11 PM)
The government doesn't have the funds. This project will not be easy to kick-start. With 1,800 beds and the Private Finance Initiative (PFI) approach — build and lease back to the government — the cost is significant. Based on the benchmark of RM 1.5 million per bed (excluding equipment, which will be provided by the tenant/Ministry of Health), the total project value comes to:

RM 1.5 million × 1,500 beds = RM 2.25 billion

How many companies have the financial capacity to secure such large-scale financing? Even if split into few phases - assume 3 phases. 1 phase 1/3 = RM 750 mil.

This capital must be fully funded upfront. Only after completion can you slowly bill the government over time. It may look like a lucrative project, but the upfront financial risk is substantial. How long will the PFI terms take to recoup the initial capital?

If anything goes wrong, the company could go from hero to zero — straight into bankruptcy. I doubt many players are willing to participate once they understand the risks associated with PFI.
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Why governement cannot just open tender and provide a RM 2.25 billion to build this hospital?


Pasir Gudang also completed 1 mah
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post Jun 26 2025, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jun 26 2025, 08:18 PM)
Why governement cannot just open tender and provide a RM 2.25 billion to build this hospital?
Pasir Gudang also completed 1 mah
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Sounds easy, but it’s not that easy.

PFI stands for Private Finance Initiative, which means the private sector funds the project entirely. If you take on the project, you must finance it yourself — the government will not give you any upfront funding.

In other words, you build the project using your own capital. If anything goes wrong — any "wintermelon taufu" mishap — the private sector bears the full risk.

Even if the project progresses or completes, you won’t receive immediate payment from the government. You have to absorb the construction cost and financing burden all the way to the end.

Only after the project is completed will the government lease the building back from you. Let’s say you spend RM 750 million upfront — you can then slowly bill the government over time. But how long will that take? You might still be waiting to recover your capital even after you’re in the grave.

Not many companies are willing to take that kind of risk. So, don’t be naïve in thinking every "cake" comes without risk.

Pasir Gudang was different. That one was Design & Built, government paid to the builder. Not PFI.

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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 26 2025, 08:34 PM)
Sounds easy, but it’s not that easy.

PFI stands for Private Finance Initiative, which means the private sector funds the project entirely. If you take on the project, you must finance it yourself — the government will not give you any upfront funding.

In other words, you build the project using your own capital. If anything goes wrong — any "wintermelon taufu" mishap — the private sector bears the full risk.

Even if the project progresses or completes, you won’t receive immediate payment from the government. You have to absorb the construction cost and financing burden all the way to the end.

Only after the project is completed will the government lease the building back from you. Let’s say you spend RM 750 million upfront — you can then slowly bill the government over time. But how long will that take? You might still be waiting to recover your capital even after you’re in the grave.

Not many companies are willing to take that kind of risk. So, don’t be naïve in thinking every "cake" comes without risk.

Pasir Gudang was different. That one was Design & Built, government paid to the builder. Not PFI.
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Thanks for explanation...

No wonder this skudai hospital so long never update again


Why they do this way?


Government so rich what
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post Jun 26 2025, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jun 26 2025, 07:31 PM)
But if you had bought a house there in 2010, the price would have already increased by 100% by now.

So which taman house do you bought?

Do you know there are a big jungle between mutiara rini and taman sri skudai?
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Bought a house at Impian Height, in Taman Impian Emas.

I knew about the jungle since I rent a house in Mutiara Rini for 3 years from 2007 to 2010.
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post Jun 26 2025, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jun 26 2025, 07:56 PM)
There are many double storey house

Gated and guarded

Now even old house at there can sell RM800k
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Not to mention soo many traffic light lol.
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post Jun 26 2025, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Jun 26 2025, 07:49 PM)
why is it jammed?

that area sounds  abit low m40 to high b40-ish...
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You can refer to plouffle0789's anwers on why it jammed.

About that low m40 to high b40ish you absolutely right.
Most of the people I knew during my renting time took 35-40 years loan.

Whenever new project launched, people will start queue at Mutiara Rini sales office 1 day earlier. Crazy....
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post Jun 26 2025, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(saiga @ Jun 26 2025, 09:02 PM)
Bought a house at Impian Height, in Taman Impian Emas.

I knew about the jungle since I rent a house in Mutiara Rini for 3 years from 2007 to 2010.
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Now skudai parade mall gonna redevelop


Taman impian emas alwayd traffic jam before mbjbt building road
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QUOTE(saiga @ Jun 26 2025, 09:09 PM)
You can refer to plouffle0789's anwers on why it jammed.

About that low m40 to high b40ish you absolutely right.
Most of the people I knew during my renting time took 35-40 years loan.

Whenever new project launched, people will start queue at Mutiara Rini sales office 1 day earlier. Crazy....
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I heard 3 days queing wor

2018 hot time
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post Jun 28 2025, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jun 26 2025, 08:46 PM)
Thanks for explanation...

No wonder this skudai hospital so long never update again
Why they do this way?
Government so rich what
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Such a statement reflects your ability to deduce and perceive the issue critically. A truly wealthy government would not need to constantly devise new ways to tax its citizens further.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jun 26 2025, 05:26 PM)
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Do you know the Taman Sri Skudai jungle ?

The jungle is opposite Taman Desa Skudai
Who is the land owner?

The house prices there haven't increased as much as in Taman Tun Aminah or Taman Selesa Jaya, probably because it's a dead-end road — the area is blocked off by a big forest.
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that land is mindef land.

ministry of defense.

it is supposed to be replacement army camp for the old majidee camp (which now sits city university and mid valley southkey etc).

old news about skudai camp

https://malaysiagazette.com/2022/08/15/kem-...salah-kewangan/

this site was one of the proposed site for HSA2,but as i mentioned many times, its location is not suitable anymore bcos its too far from main road.

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