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post Jun 20 2023, 01:47 PM, updated 3y ago

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KL got what restaurants had the best steak ? price not too expensive one

ofcoz want big portion LOL
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post Jun 20 2023, 01:49 PM

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Buy and DIY
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Best steak aint cheap
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post Jun 20 2023, 01:50 PM

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Want best, want big, but don't want expensive

Cook your own
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post Jun 20 2023, 01:52 PM

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best + big + not expensive? all those cant same sentence
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QUOTE(louiszzz @ Jun 20 2023, 01:47 PM)
KL got what restaurants had the best steak ? price not too expensive one

ofcoz want big portion LOL
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Suzi Corner, ampang point there
Her husband dulu dulu was a chef in a big hotel
Hence very good her steaks.

http://www.suanie.net/2014/05/steak-hut-at...pensive-steaks/


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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 20 2023, 01:54 PM)
Suzi Corner, ampang point there
Her husband dulu dulu was a chef in a big hotel
Hence very good her steaks.

http://www.suanie.net/2014/05/steak-hut-at...pensive-steaks/
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Next time i try, nvr been there
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post Jun 20 2023, 01:58 PM

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cheap and good not in package
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post Jun 20 2023, 01:59 PM

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mandarin oriental got restaurant with good steak

just very expensive only
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:01 PM

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A guy cannot cook own steak....
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:01 PM

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post Jun 20 2023, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 20 2023, 01:54 PM)
Suzi Corner, ampang point there
Her husband dulu dulu was a chef in a big hotel
Hence very good her steaks.

http://www.suanie.net/2014/05/steak-hut-at...pensive-steaks/
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Yeah it is the best according to some.
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:02 PM

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Bought wagyu from Just Sear ampang
Balik making own gravy
Ffuhhh save a lots!
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:03 PM

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Mena'te Steak House gooding
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:04 PM

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Ben's Independent Grocer at The LINC KL.
Choose your own meat and have them cook it for you.
Nothing too fancy, but I love the simplicity of the method.
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if can afford, outback steakhouse not bad.
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 20 2023, 01:54 PM)
Suzi Corner, ampang point there
Her husband dulu dulu was a chef in a big hotel
Hence very good her steaks.

http://www.suanie.net/2014/05/steak-hut-at...pensive-steaks/
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 20 2023, 01:54 PM)
Suzi Corner, ampang point there
Her husband dulu dulu was a chef in a big hotel
Hence very good her steaks.

http://www.suanie.net/2014/05/steak-hut-at...pensive-steaks/
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:13 PM

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For 44, you get a good size lamb steak at simply ribs ttdi. Either 44 or 49.

Chili's aint too bad and cheaper.

For steak, id gor for meat point ttdi. Go for the tbone
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post Jun 20 2023, 02:14 PM

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Jake's
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Jun 20 2023, 02:15 PM)
Jake's
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For me economical steak is tamaruya meat master in lot10 and lalaport.

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post Jun 20 2023, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(louiszzz @ Jun 20 2023, 01:47 PM)
KL got what restaurants had the best steak ? price not too expensive one

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Vantado or Beato

Japanese wagyu steak ah... Hmmmmmm
i have no idea, too exp for me to even explore

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QUOTE(aidris87 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:20 PM)
Lemon Garden @ Shangri-La
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I kok steak at home, tried several good one outside but dun find much diff, maybe me bb40 dunno how to differentiate sad.gif

Btw i more interest to know where can i buy good steak cut

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jun 20 2023, 01:57 PM)
Next time i try, nvr been there
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QUOTE(mouldybread @ Jun 20 2023, 02:14 PM)
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QUOTE(ze2 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:01 PM)
Yeah it is the best according to some.
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You no makan her steak before?
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jun 20 2023, 02:30 PM)
I kok steak at home, tried several good one outside but dun find much diff, maybe me bb40 dunno how to differentiate sad.gif

Btw i more interest to know where can i buy good steak cut
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https://www.wmart.com.my/
The best beef fr Japan and Australia
Also must buy - blueberry cheese tart. Best in town. Reasonably priced too

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QUOTE(nauticat99 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:35 PM)
https://www.wmart.com.my/
The best beef fr Japan and Australia
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Thanks!

From website the steak already cut n prep, do they sell according to our specification?

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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jun 20 2023, 02:37 PM)
Thanks!

From website the steak already cut n prep, do they sell according to our specification?
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Yup, they cut according to customers preferences. Thick, thin, cubes etc
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QUOTE(nauticat99 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:39 PM)
Yup, they cut according to customers preferences. Thick, thin, cubes etc
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QUOTE(Rich Dad @ Jun 20 2023, 01:49 PM)
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This.

Nowadays Jaya Grocer, BIG all sell good quality meat and cuts

Just buy and DIY... It takes all of 5 minutes to cook your steak (including prep).

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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Jun 20 2023, 02:09 PM)
google maps review says otherwise
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Not accurate these reviews
Don't trust so much
Trust your taste butt more
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QUOTE(Rich Dad @ Jun 20 2023, 02:31 PM)
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The Best steak is buy raw, and cook yourself.

Cheap, and taste the same only.
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I like my steak well done and I eat it with tomato sauce
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Steak, just cook your own. I just throw them on the grill. takes less than 5 mins. its one of the easiest things to cook once you get the technique down.

Unless you want the specialty dry aged stuff at a fancy place, but then you'd be looking at 400-500 each portion depending on size and cut.

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:48 PM)
Steak, just cook your own. I just throw them on the grill. takes less than 5 mins. its one of the easiest things to cook once you get the technique down.

Unless you want the specialty dry aged stuff at a fancy place, but then you'd be looking at 400-500 each portion depending on size and cut.
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Honestly when u happen to travel to aussie or japan to try their steak/yakiniku/teppanyaki, u totally wont wanna spend om local one, i dun think they source the higher quality meat as compare to the native.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:48 PM)
Steak, just cook your own. I just throw them on the grill. takes less than 5 mins. its one of the easiest things to cook once you get the technique down.

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I cannot understand what’s so nice about aged beef. Tried it at Wolfgang’s Steakhouse Genting and just find it tough. Chew and chew, no marbling. Tougher than kambing
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:31 PM)
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what is not too expensive? 20? 200? 2000?
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jun 20 2023, 02:30 PM)
I kok steak at home, tried several good one outside but dun find much diff, maybe me bb40 dunno how to differentiate sad.gif

Btw i more interest to know where can i buy good steak cut
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Good as in wagyu grade, can try chan sow lin, 'wmart'

There are good ones from rm300-800+ per kg
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QUOTE(rainy~days @ Jun 20 2023, 02:11 PM)
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For it's price range, Suzi's ampang is definitely the best.

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QUOTE(nauticat99 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:53 PM)
I cannot understand what’s so nice about aged beef. Tried it at Wolfgang’s Steakhouse Genting and just find it tough. Chew and chew, no marbling. Tougher than kambing
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I ate at Beato also. Hated it.

No more aged beef for me.

And I like steaks. It's my userID.

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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jun 20 2023, 02:47 PM)
I like my steak well done and I eat it with tomato sauce
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Well a 4 dollar steak is right up your alley...
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 20 2023, 01:54 PM)
Suzi Corner, ampang point there
Her husband dulu dulu was a chef in a big hotel
Hence very good her steaks.

http://www.suanie.net/2014/05/steak-hut-at...pensive-steaks/
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15 years ago yes.

Now it's made for seisohais like you who can't tell the difference between medium rare vs medium.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:48 PM)
Steak, just cook your own. I just throw them on the grill. takes less than 5 mins. its one of the easiest things to cook once you get the technique down.


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Best to learn to cook your own steak. I've stopped eating steak outside once I know how to cook my own. Not too terribly difficult. Can learn from the many YT videos around
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QUOTE(louiszzz @ Jun 20 2023, 01:47 PM)
KL got what restaurants had the best steak ? price not too expensive one

ofcoz want big portion LOL
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If all you're looking for is a steak, buy and cook yourself is better. Its not hard, cheaper and you get to season exactly to your liking.

If you are going to have steak outside, it has to be for things you can't really do at home, for example dry aging. Or pairing with ingredients like bone marrow butter, demi-glazes etc.

Beato's is my go-to for steak, since I can't dry age at home.

Otherwise some simple places that's never dissapointed are
- las vacas
- ttdi meatpoint

A friend said that "The steakhouse KL" is good, though I've never tried.

QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 20 2023, 01:54 PM)
Suzi Corner, ampang point there
Her husband dulu dulu was a chef in a big hotel
Hence very good her steaks.

http://www.suanie.net/2014/05/steak-hut-at...pensive-steaks/
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See picture also know its going to be crap already laugh.gif

QUOTE(soul_gamerz @ Jun 20 2023, 02:03 PM)
Mena'te Steak House gooding
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No, it sucks.

QUOTE(nauticat99 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:53 PM)
I cannot understand what’s so nice about aged beef. Tried it at Wolfgang’s Steakhouse Genting and just find it tough. Chew and chew, no marbling. Tougher than kambing
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Jun 20 2023, 03:06 PM)
I ate at Beato also. Hated it.
No more aged beef for me.
And I like steaks. It's my userID.
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Dry age is suppose to give you a more tender and deeper/complex flavour steak.

The quality of the cow and its cut is still important. Then also how it is cooked. If the meat is though, its likely cause overcooked or it was a lean cut to begin with. Most steak places let you choose the meat, so choose one with good marbling la. If you choose a tenderloin and cook it to medium then surely can expect it to be more tough compared to a ribeye.

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want best but not expensive... lol

This one is reasonably price and pretty good.... Anne Elizabeth The Deli at Taman Segar

not the best and not too pricey as well
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 20 2023, 03:41 PM)
If all you're looking for is a steak, buy and cook yourself is better. Its not hard, cheaper and you get to season exactly to your liking.

If you are going to have steak outside, it has to be for things you can't really do at home, for example dry aging. Or pairing with ingredients like bone marrow butter, demi-glazes etc.

Beato's is my go-to for steak, since I can't dry age at home.

Otherwise some simple places that's never dissapointed are
- las vacas
- ttdi meatpoint

A friend said that "The steakhouse KL" is good, though I've never tried.
See picture also know its going to be crap already laugh.gif
No, it sucks.
Dry age is suppose to give you a more tender and deeper/complex flavour steak.

The quality of the cow and its cut is still important. Then also how it is cooked. If the meat is though, its likely cause overcooked or it was a lean cut to begin with. Most steak places let you choose the meat, so choose one with good marbling la. If you choose a tenderloin and cook it to medium then surely can expect it to be more tough compared to a ribeye.
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I find dry age is VFM.... 6 weeks dry aged angus. similar price to score 4-5 wagyu of the same cut, and taste a lot better then wagyu
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dry age steak with chili jam
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QUOTE(louiszzz @ Jun 20 2023, 01:47 PM)
KL got what restaurants had the best steak ? price not too expensive one

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best and not expensive don't go together... maybe you cook your own? google guga steak
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jun 20 2023, 03:02 PM)
Good as in wagyu grade, can try chan sow lin, 'wmart'

There are good ones from rm300-800+ per kg
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Yea above got ppl recommend already, will go find find, to me steak is a matter of cooking time and cut of meat nia, nothing fancy, just need a good grill or cast iron pan
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jun 20 2023, 02:30 PM)
I kok steak at home, tried several good one outside but dun find much diff, maybe me bb40 dunno how to differentiate sad.gif

Btw i more interest to know where can i buy good steak cut
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Normally i buy from Just.sear ampang or meat.Expert shah alam
Good cut
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the only place that i ate a Rib Eye steak that is so gooding on par with 4 stars restaurants (eg. Kay's Steak & Lobster in Putra Height USJ, expensive tho) in terms of taste, and paid MYR35 is not in KL, but in Olivia's @ Penang Jelutong.

8 person eat, steaks, appetizer and dessert. total less than MYR270. damn cheap and real good

TS, if you wanna big portion and 5 stars restaurant steaks (eg. Marble 8 Fine Dining). then I cant help you ......
if you are OK with 4 stars, so far I found Olivia's is the cheapest.

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QUOTE(Rich Dad @ Jun 20 2023, 03:11 PM)
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Jaya grocer , grain fed rump steak. 680 gram only 56 ringgit, meaty, juicy not the overwhelming fat fat fat marbling nonsense, just pure manly meat feed
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One place I do not recommend u to go is ah Hong pj , other than big portion totally not worth the money
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taste is subjective
own cook is the best - steak is the easiest meat to play with (not like chicken or fish need to marinate add macam2 sauce - if add wrong taste bad/weird)

steak - even if you forgot to marinate - still taste good, just adjust salt and pepper later on

you overcook - still can eat ... undercook also can eat no problem
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post Jun 21 2023, 07:56 AM

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ampang point cozy corner's medium rare tenderloin. pair with lobster bisque
las vacas's medium rare wagyu
maria's steakhouse, jln maarof
AE is crap
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post Jun 21 2023, 10:26 AM

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grub by ah hong in PJ.
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post Jun 21 2023, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(MrBaba @ Jun 20 2023, 08:26 PM)
One place I do not recommend u to go is ah Hong pj , other than big portion totally not worth the money
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taste is subjective.
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post Jun 21 2023, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(iandope @ Jun 21 2023, 10:27 AM)
taste is subjective.
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U neeed special kind of talent to make waygu taste like rubber .
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post Jun 21 2023, 11:30 AM

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Kenot get good steak here if want fly to western country bcoz here puas fcking bodo
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post Jun 21 2023, 11:31 AM

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menate steak hub.
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post Jun 21 2023, 11:32 AM

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I dun eat beef steak, suci
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post Jun 21 2023, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(keyibukeyi @ Jun 21 2023, 11:32 AM)
I dun eat beef steak, suci
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But u eat porki steak right
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jun 21 2023, 11:32 AM)
But u eat porki steak right
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Haram sedap
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post Jun 21 2023, 11:38 AM

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Beato is not for me.

Will try those reco here.
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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Jun 21 2023, 11:38 AM)
Beato is not for me.

Will try those reco here.
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Why no beato, i still regard it as a better steakhouse instead of some that give u sauces and marinate the meat.
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QUOTE(nauticat99 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:35 PM)
https://www.wmart.com.my/
The best beef fr Japan and Australia
Also must buy - blueberry cheese tart. Best in town. Reasonably priced too
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Don't reveal secret location la woooooi already damn 7 crowded as it is mad.gif
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post Jun 21 2023, 11:39 AM

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post Jun 21 2023, 11:43 AM

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ate
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Amongst all i like las vacas seasoning.

All steak taste the same.


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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 20 2023, 02:04 PM)
Ben's Independent Grocer at The LINC KL.
Choose your own meat and have them cook it for you.
Nothing too fancy, but I love the simplicity of the method.
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Used to do that. Now stopped eating too much beef. I like mine rare to medium rare especially rib-eye. No fancy sauces, just Bernaise and mustard.

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QUOTE(PepegaMan @ Jun 21 2023, 11:39 AM)
Don't reveal secret location la woooooi already damn 7 crowded as it is  mad.gif
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Good things must share
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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Jun 21 2023, 11:38 AM)
Beato is not for me.

Will try those reco here.
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not for me neither. overated overpriced
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QUOTE(nauticat99 @ Jun 20 2023, 02:35 PM)
https://www.wmart.com.my/
The best beef fr Japan and Australia
Also must buy - blueberry cheese tart. Best in town. Reasonably priced too
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my regular place too for their angus
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QUOTE(yenvanilla @ Jun 20 2023, 01:52 PM)
best + big + not expensive? all those cant same sentence
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Sure can, go into Jungle and go hunting, settel problem cool2.gif cool2.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(kayent @ Jun 21 2023, 11:39 AM)
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ Jun 21 2023, 11:39 AM)
Why no beato, i still regard it as a better steakhouse instead of some that give u sauces and marinate the meat.
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Not to my taste.

QUOTE(kevinc @ Jun 21 2023, 12:34 PM)
not for me neither. overated overpriced
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Hm, their price is definitely not at the lower side but its more on the taste doesn't really suite me.
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QUOTE(PepegaMan @ Jun 21 2023, 11:39 AM)
Don't reveal secret location la woooooi already damn 7 crowded as it is  mad.gif
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aiya, that place famous long time d.

unker has been there before it was a mart, it was a paper supplier b4 it change business model.

This post has been edited by karazure: Jun 21 2023, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(MrBaba @ Jun 21 2023, 11:28 AM)
U neeed special kind of talent to make waygu taste like rubber .
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that, is indeed a very rare talent. did you complaint?

 

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