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post May 31 2012, 05:30 PM

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sorry, a noob here...

maybe i know if ZX-6R s a nakid bike or super bike?

still havent decided if i shld go for 6R or Z1000
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post May 31 2012, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(|Keantan| @ May 31 2012, 05:36 PM)
to answer your question zx6r is a supersport (like mini-superbike) it is not naked.

tbh, new rider should not go for either of these bikes. Better sticking to ER6 or ninja 250.

Cheaper to maintain/fix.
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when to chear motor... few of the regular actually advise me to go straight for Z1000. as i will probably change to a bigger bike in few months time if i get a ER6f or n ....

some even said... "since ducati monster is now CKD... why not? "

haha.... kena poison like no tmr ...
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post May 31 2012, 06:12 PM

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k.... got it... maybe i shld go for a used Er6 eh? well... fair enough....

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post May 31 2012, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(technosakai @ May 31 2012, 06:46 PM)
Well, I think getting a Er6 is more than enough? It has the power for urban riding. Good power out of turns.. can go on the highway with top speed 200+ That's enough of speed to be on the highway... Can take the bike up to Genting or Cameron to layan corners...  No need to get such a high powered bike like the ZX6R right?? Well just my opinion. What do you guys think? Of course, getting a bike like ZX6R or any high powered bike is your choice cuz your money. What I'm saying here is just for everyday commuting and weekend TT or something like that. smile.gif
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ya... for me it is just a hobby. u know, the thrill and weekend drive kinda stuff... but i think they hv the points there, ER6 as the "trial" bike ...

as for day to day, i ll still stick with my car. speaking of comfort ... car is has the upper hand.
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post May 31 2012, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(technosakai @ May 31 2012, 07:18 PM)
Lol.. of course the car has more comfort.  laugh.gif Has aircond and a roof. No need to experience the heat like how bikers experience it. smile.gif
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yep. smile.gif

seriously, i m doing this cos this was my teenage dream... most of the guys will hv this dream i suppose. and why not full filling it while we can wink.gif


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post May 31 2012, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ May 31 2012, 07:47 PM)
but don't fall into the same trap like many newbies i've seen

ER6 is a TWIN cylinder engine, and doesn't sound like the "normal" superbike you always hear

those are FOUR cylinder engine, producing a higher pitch engine noise, which is synonim to big bike

the twin cylinder engine noise is akin to a sewing machine

be warned, and don't be dissapointed.

i saw 2 guys in my hometown who ditched their versys 650 and er6-n for Z750 and Z1000 respectively after barely a few weeks as they did not expect the engine noise to be so so like tat one
as for me, i'm happy with whatever sound the er6-n produces. at high speed, u only hear the wind noise.


Added on May 31, 2012, 7:51 pm
the bike might be able to go that fast

but when u reach 160, 180 - you will feel like being thrown out the bike, as the wind resistance is very violent on a naked bike

even at 140 ur shoulders are strained as you try to hold the bike
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1) i am aware of the "Pitch", well i think i can bear with it.... ok... i think my EGO can handle it tongue.gif

2) my intention is to travel outstation with it. oh... FYI, i m from kuantan, n i travel to KL pretty often... so i thot i cld ride there once a while... but man! only at +-140km/hr? i m not sure how to survive at tht speed... my average driving speed is around 160-180km/hr depending on which car i drive.... at 140km/hr?? now i hv to think twice...

anyway thx again... it really helps...
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post May 31 2012, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ May 31 2012, 08:02 PM)
the ER6-F shouldn't have that problem as it has plenty iof fairings

i was talking about the nakerd ER6-N
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ah...ok.. i thot it applies to all naked .... pheeew
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post May 31 2012, 08:17 PM

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so basically these 2 are the same, except for the fairing, hence ER6-"f", right?

so am i safe to say tht any naked bike, once it is faired, the problem of the wind resistance will be very much minimize ?

sorry i m a true noob here

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post May 31 2012, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(kapalterbang_737 @ May 31 2012, 08:34 PM)
naked bike do have lotsa wind resistance and gonna make the rider tired quite fast for long journeys
better take a fully fairing bike like er6f since it has fairing and the seating position is upright..
when i rode my naza blade 250r i always maintain at 150-160km/h for long journey e.g KL-Kedah/Penang
eventhough it's only a 250cc but because of the fairing it has better aerodynamics..but the seating position not that ergonomics  tongue.gif
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ah... ok...

i like the design of the 6-n ... but the aerodynamic of 6-f ...

haha..it is always the same shit --> decision decision ... LOL

thanks again bro
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post May 31 2012, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ May 31 2012, 10:15 PM)
you sir, have balls of steel

i am almost the same built as you are, plus a bit of belly pot (again, due to same reason), and i can't even past 140 until now. lutut ketar. like jelly i tell you
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Tht makes three of us... About the same build! Same height ...

And as u see, diff ppl hv diff point of view ... Hahaha.... I m back to square one! LOL
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post Jun 1 2012, 08:43 AM

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Hmmm....... Ok... Majority says naked.... N I love naked fine lady pretty much LOL .... so naked n faired that's it.....

Next question. Shld I get a second hand....??
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post Jun 1 2012, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(phobian @ Jun 1 2012, 10:08 AM)
Depends on your spending power - there is no right or wrong to buy 2nd hand or a spanking new bike. Many has chose the path to purchase a used bike so we would not feel heartache when the bike is thrashed in the process of learning to ride.
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ya, as this will be the "beginners bike" for me, chances are it will be put up for sale in a foreseeable future. a used shld be a more viable option.

now where to get? and how to know if tht used is accident free n in good condition?
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post Jun 1 2012, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(masz94 @ Jun 1 2012, 06:09 PM)
For the sake of learning...yes...


Added on June 1, 2012, 6:14 pm

Well said...
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Ok... Let's get a used ER6-f (any better option?)..and see how things go..

Wish me luck (read: family s objection LOL)
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post Jun 1 2012, 10:53 PM

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It is more of a matter of respect than any other thing else.

If I insist, I m sure they can't do anything....

Just hv to assure them tht I won't do crazy stunt n ride responsibly....
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post Jun 4 2012, 04:03 PM

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the more i do my research the more undecided i am:

from one.... now i m left with 3 choices.

1) ER6-f
Established model, low maintenance, best handling n performance among the 3. con: twin

2) XJ6 Diversion
better for a 165cm ppl like me, inline 4 but performance n handling is not as good compare to ER 6 n slightly pricier

3) Naza Blade 650
cheapest among the 3 by far! as who know, i might change to a bigger bike very soon....


sigh.... really not easy to make any decision....

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post Jun 4 2012, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(phobian @ Jun 4 2012, 04:17 PM)
qqmeng - I believe the judgements you are making is based on what you hear and what you read. My thoughts process as of the following:

1. If you have not ridden a bike before, how would you know how would a bike handle and its performance suits you? Even till today, I just only know how to whack a bike wide open throttle. I am still very newbie in this hence kena tarpau by likes of alkt and similar with lower cc bikes.
2. Be it a twin, inline 4, or 3 cylinder - does the type of engine make the best out of you or do you just want a brag factor of having a good bike?
3. 165cm people like us - I could climb and handle a touring Versys used all the way from KL to London with ease in our stupid traffic. I have the same fear as you at first, it jaded off after I learnt how to get use to it. And how I wish I was born taller and stronger...
4. If you have the spending power, just go with what you are comfortable with. Just do not forget to buffer some for riding gear, be it functional or just for stylo mylo - always remember to dress for the crash!
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ya, i hv a B2 licnese ...used to ride from wangsa maju to sunway on a weekly basis wink.gif ... ya, rode on my yamaha CDi90 from wangsa maju to shah alam for the bon jovi s concert many yrs back haha

twin n the inline engine s main diff is the vroom vroom sound LOL

as for money... as the saying goes...can save..save la...haha
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post Jun 5 2012, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(junbecks @ Jun 5 2012, 09:41 AM)
hi Bro

While its true that the 650F looks more like a supersport (only slightly) the added fairings really dont add much to the aerodynamics of the bike. As some have mentioned here (and speaking from experience as I'm about 184cm) the upright seating of the ER6F really makes it a faired-street bike.

The 650F and 250R are bro and sister, they have the same purposes.
Everyday Ergonomic Riding.
Suitable turning radii for traffic jam scenarios
and good fuel economy.

The naughty naked sister is the 6N. This one probably shines less during highway runs but if 130-140 is what you like doing, it will do it just fine. (strengthen your arms a bit)

Dont worry about the in-line 2 cylinder sounds because once you reach 5000-7000 rpms it still screams like nobody's business (stock exhaust)
Parking the bike maybe you wont be showing off the sound so much.  tongue.gif

So I fully support getting either of the ER's. They're really great for beginners.

P/S: Bikes of any kind have crap aerodynamics. Not because of the bike, but because there is a rider on the bike. So really the bigger factor in determining how smooth and fast the bike can go, is its power delivery and those fat tyres.
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i was thinking of hitting the highway once a while ... so i thot the fairing might help a lil ....

judging from the way i drive i doubt i ll be happy with 130-140 .... maybe 160km...

so i think i m safe to presume tht ER6-f is a better option for me ya?

seriously, i prefer ER-6n for its "naked" look ... but ER6-f is a lil more practical for me..... i hope.....
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post Jun 5 2012, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(junbecks @ Jun 5 2012, 05:22 PM)
I liked both. Just that there was no stock of ER6N at the time, and I bought my machine 2nd hand. So thats mine in the pic.

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how much u got for your second hand ER6?
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post Jun 5 2012, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(junbecks @ Jun 5 2012, 06:01 PM)
33k no insurance. I just carried over insurance from previous bike.
33k, 4 months old, 6000km.
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pretty good buy...

i went and asked just now... tht guy quoted me RM39K OTR with RM300 cash voucher (new bike) ...

and a second hand bike is around RM32K, one yr plus bike.. and i was like, might as well i get a new bike?

or he was trying to "throat cut" ?
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post Jun 6 2012, 05:57 PM

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27, n u call yourself old.....

LOL... i better not reveal my age then ......

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