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post Sep 13 2023, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 13 2023, 06:28 AM)
US already spent over $100bln for supporting Ukraine — Fox News
The document says that out of the $110.97-billion total, some $101.19 billion has already been obligated/executed by the Office of Management and Budget

NEW YORK, September 13. /TASS/. The overall number of US funds directed for assistance to Ukraine stands at $110.97 billion at this point, Fox News reported on Tuesday citing a document by the Office of Management and Budget of the White House.

The document was prepared in response to a request from a group of Republican senators, submitted to the White House back in January. It contains information about the overall amount of US military, financial and humanitarian aid provided to the Kiev government.

The document says that out of the $110.97-billion total, some $101.19 billion has alreaady been obligated/executed by the Office of Management and Budget.

This sum does not include the new request for more aid to the Kiev government, filed by the administration of US President Joe Biden. It envisages financial assistance of $24 billion, including $13 billion for military purposes.
White House confirms more than $100B spent on Ukraine war
Republican senators in January demanded the White House provide a full report on funds spent in Ukraine

The aid we send to Ukraine is a return on investment: Gen. Jack Keane  shakehead.gif
Investment and kickbacks in military industrial complex... nod.gif
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Ironically, this means that russia is actually outspending the military aid given by the allies and is still unable to achieve its goals.

Russia is spending more than 100 bil (a third of its budget) solely on defense (whereas the aid received by ukraine includes financial and humanitarian aid).
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post Sep 13 2023, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 13 2023, 07:22 AM)
What exactly are the Russian goals? Did you include aid from EU and other countries before stating the above? Where are the news sources? whistling.gif
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Here you go:

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-ha...-are-six-charts

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia...ent-2023-08-04/

So which one you want to dispute - russia spending more or theyre spending 1/3 of its budget on the military? Ill let you choose.
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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 13 2023, 09:51 AM)
How convenient of you not to include the billions given by EU and other countries. 😉 Not gonna waste anymore time on replies.
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The link has the total contributions by all countries, even broken down to how much is military, financing and humanitarian.

But i guess its more convenient to not look and make an excuse to run away. I suppose its apt considering how russian troops are performing.
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QUOTE(ps3 fanboy @ Sep 13 2023, 07:21 PM)
Inb4 "russia will retaliate"

After losing so many ships to a country with basically no navy, youd think theyd keep their ships further away.
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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 14 2023, 09:15 PM)
Pobodys Nerfect. I also thought the Russians will go all out during the beginning of the Special Operation.
Having said that where and when exactly did he say the following? whistling.gif
> russia will win in three days
> russia will win in march 2022
> russia will win in september 2022
> russia will win soon in 2023
> russia hasnt even start yet

What do you have to say about the Bandera regime stuck in Robotyne, suffer massive casualties and the failed counteroffensive to cut the land bridge and reach Crimea by autumn?  :lol2:
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Sep 14 2023, 11:20 PM)
as i believe the psst after your question has replied to you regarding when he said all those, constantly predicting wrong for one and half years or more can't be considered very credible about what he is saying. in fact if all his prediction has been so wrong, most likely what he recently said is probably opposite is true. Ukraine counter offensive is moving onwards as careful as possible with attempt to minimize casualties on its own side.

which seems likely true for past 2 months or more, they are moving forward and every time russia media says Ukrainian forces has taken heavy casualties for oast half a year, i am sure the offensive would have capitulated just like russia winter offensive after a few days of attack only.

i am not here to convince you but this is just my opinion and seemingly the fact Ukrainian continue to moved forward and put pressure on three fronts against russians seems to go inline with my opinion.
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If youre wrong once, maybe its bad luck. If youre consistently wrong, then youre useless.

It kinda shows how pro-russians need to scrape the barrel, and even then have to recycle the same three or four people every week.
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post Sep 20 2023, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 20 2023, 04:53 PM)
Artsakh On The Eve Of Capitulation. The Russians Started Using FAB 1500. Military Summary 2023.09.20

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Pretty good example of how russia's version of nato is absolutely useless. If the members cant even get help when theyre being attacked, whats the point of a 'military alliance'?
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QUOTE(pineapplegrenade @ Sep 23 2023, 09:05 AM)
Not bad though, 40+ country vs one under heavy sanction country.
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Its a sad statement of the russia economy that donations and aid received by ukraine over almost two years, is the same value as russia's budget for one year.
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Sep 23 2023, 11:19 PM)
it is good for confirmation that russian frontlines must be getting dire if suddenly there is so many out of nowhere non battlefield narrative popping up...

well, and getting your naval headquarters and some important area bomb in broad daylight in your supposedly "crown jewel" after some purportedly video saying top 5 russian weaponry and number one is air defense doesn't bode well for confidence especially losing a warship and a submarine to air attacks too in the same month.
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noticed this too. compared to the early days when russia was making gains, if russia advanced they'll tell you about it.

now that the war's second winter is coming, i wonder what's the russian narrative is going to be - especially since (surprisingly) russia itself is facing fuel shortages.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities...rts-2023-09-21/
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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 24 2023, 11:38 AM)
Europe Made a Bold Pledge of Ammunition for Ukraine. Now Comes the Hard Part.

The pledge last March sounded as catchy as it was ambitious: European Union states would deliver a million rounds of 155-millimeter ammunition to Ukraine within a year.

Now, at a critical moment in the war and with Ukraine running short of artillery shells to drive its counteroffensive, experts, weapons manufacturers and even some government officials are expressing growing doubts. Europe’s shrunken military sector, they say, may simply be unable to ramp up production fast enough to achieve the million-shell goal.


Since March, governments across Europe have become more aggressive about assessing — and replenishing — ammunition needs, not just for Ukraine, but also for their own military stockpiles.

Manufacturers are building 155-millimeter rounds even before being fully paid. And European Union officials have fast-tracked at least eight contracts with producers on the continent to supply and reimburse states that jointly procure artillery ammunition instead of competing for it.

But for all of the efforts to increase supplies since the European Union announced its goals, weapons makers are running into a familiar problem: After atrophying badly in the 30 years since the end of the Cold War, they still have too few resources and too many supply chain bottlenecks to deliver the one million rounds by the deadline.

“I don’t know where these rounds are coming from,” said Morten Brandtzaeg, the chief executive of Norway-based Nammo, which produces about 25 percent of Europe’s ammunition. “The industry capacity is not there.”

“I think we should not say that it’s not doable,” he added. “But I cannot see quite how right now.”

Peter Stano, a spokesman for the European Union, maintained that the bloc was doing what it could. “The intention of the E.U. is clear: to help,” he said in an email. “This is what everyone involved is trying to do with best intentions.”

Last March, as Ukrainian soldiers were burning through thousands of artillery shells each day just to retain control of the eastern city of Bakhmut, the government in Kyiv sent a dire plea to its allies for more 155-millimeter ammunition, which is fired from the howitzers that are the backbone of Ukraine’s military.

Within weeks, the European Union agreed to a $2.1 billion plan to send Ukraine the one million rounds, drawing on donations from member states’ stockpiles and ammunition purchases. It is also seeking to increase production at aging plants across Europe, with up to $532 million in financing through mid-2025.

In August, the most recent available numbers showed that the European Union states and Norway had sent Ukraine at least 223,800 artillery shells from February to May — about one-quarter of the goal. Most of the munitions came from military stockpiles, for which they were reimbursed $1.1 billion.

But that was the relatively easy part, given that they came from ready supplies. Now those stocks have run too low for most militaries to give more, experts said.

Under the terms of the program, many of the remaining rounds must be bought from manufacturers based in the European Union and Norway, and purchased in joint procurement deals among those states in order to qualify for reimbursement.

In theory, experts said, European Union states could buy ammunition from beyond the bloc, including from Britain, the United States and South Korea — three major global producers and exporters of 155-millimeter rounds. But that defies the point of a program aimed to bulk up European manufacturing and would forfeit financial incentives from a $1 billion fund for the joint purchases.

Moreover, South Korea has prohibited its weapons from being sent to Ukraine, and Britain and the United States are trying to rebuild their own stockpiles as NATO urges its members to bolster depleted reserves as a safeguard.

“Stockpiles serve as a deterrent against potential aggression,” Erika Kurockina, Lithuania’s deputy economy and innovation minister, said in a speech in London this month.

The Pentagon has said that American manufacturers expect to produce 57,000 rounds of 155-millimeter shells a month by next spring. Even if all of that were sold to European Union countries and then sent to Ukraine, it alone still would not close the gap.

Before the war in Ukraine, some officials and experts estimated that European manufacturers produced 230,000 rounds of 155-millimeter ammunition annually. (Experts have put the number for all types of rounds produced in the European Union at about 650,000 a year.)

The output is expected to be higher this year — even if it falls short of fulfilling the goal of sending one million rounds to Ukraine.

“It will be close,” Dominique Guillet, an executive vice president of the French ammunition firm Nexter Systems, said last week in London.

Whether or not European Union states are able to meet the March 2024 deadline, it is clear that the ambitious plan prodded governments and the arms industry into action.

Just since March, Mr. Brandtzaeg said, Nammo has received about $1 billion worth of artillery orders, compared with an estimated $300,000 in contracts the company would usually sign over a six-month period.

Rheinmetall, the German defense industry giant, has predicted that it will be able to produce 600,000 artillery shells annually by the end of 2024, up from the 450,000 it expects to turn out this year. It has landed several major ammunition contracts this year — including one worth nearly $1.4 billion to supply Germany’s military — and has produced tens of thousands of rounds that have been sent to Ukraine since the war began.

This month, Germany announced that it had shipped to Ukraine a first tranche of a contract for 300,000 rounds of other kinds of ammunition — mostly for tanks that shoot down drones and other aircraft — that it had ordered from Rheinmetall. The quick turnaround demonstrated how nimbly government and industry could cooperate when pressured.

But most of the newly awarded contracts will not be fulfilled until the end of the decade, and industry officials declined to specify how much of the ammunition could be produced in time to be delivered to Ukraine to meet the one-year deadline.

“We’re all doing our utmost to achieve this goal,” said Oliver Hoffmann, a spokesman for Rheinmetall. He was one of several industry executives who said more long-term contracts for ammunition were needed not only to pay for manufacturing upgrades and raw materials that were in global demand, but also to ensure that production would continue once war demands ebbed.

Despite the daunting odds of making the deadline, European officials are still scrambling to find other ways to scrape together the one million rounds.

Kusti Salm, the highest-ranking career official at Estonia’s Defense Ministry, who helped conceive the plan that the European Union eventually adopted, said Europe could not depend on industry alone to make up the nearly 750,000-round shortfall that it faced.

“If you were able to supply 200,000 a year before, then it’s fair you cannot trigger turning to one million a year,” Mr. Salm said in an interview last month.

He said states and manufacturers were asking countries outside the European Union to delay deliveries of 155-millimeter shells in return for a discounted price, freeing up ammunition for Ukraine.

The refurbishment of older or otherwise decommissioned stocks of 155-millimeter rounds in military stockpiles offers another possible source. But Mr. Brandtzaeg estimated that they accounted for fewer than 10,000 rounds, a small fraction of what is needed.

And though the initial European focus was on 155-millimeter artillery shells, officials said in May that the one million for Ukraine could include ammunition of other sizes, including Soviet-era caliber munitions, depending on what was needed on the battlefield.

Smaller countries are also pitching in. Industry officials said the Turkish government-owned firm MKEK had signed a two-year contract this year with Romania to build 155-millimeter shells. Bulgaria’s defense minister has predicted that his government will supply some of the ammunition for Ukraine. In Greece, the European Union has committed up to $80 million to upgrade an ammunition plant owned by Hellenic Defense Systems.

“There’s a risk that we don’t hit the milestone, but in the long term I think the steps are being made in the right direction,” Mr. Salm said. He said setting the one million goal “was ambitious yet achievable” and necessary to prod European Union states and the weapons industry into ramping up production.

Still, he said, “clearly it’s too slow for winning the war in Ukraine.”

Bandera regime will run low on ammo soon and counteroffensive halted...  nod.gif
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QUOTE(bengm2019 @ Sep 24 2023, 11:42 AM)
I would say supplying that 1 million rounds is a small problem... making their own citizens pay for it is a bigger issue. Europe is facing hyper inflation and it's affecting lives of their pple badly.

In the beginning, you can see people supporting Ukraine. But now, you can see pple not supporting Ukraine, they do not want to be involved in the war. It's obvious, inflation is affecting their lives. The billions are used to make weapons for Ukraine instead of helping themselves...
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i've always wondered how pro-russians reconcile two very opposing propaganda points

> "nato is going to attack russia via ukraine, that why russia must invade first"
> "nato is unprepared for any sort of war - look at how their military industry has been deprioritised for decades"

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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 24 2023, 03:32 PM)
Russian Missile Blizzard Blows Up Tonnes Of Kyiv's Weapons; 'Jets, Depleted-Uranium Shells Gutted'

Russian forces launched massive offensives targeting Ukraine's military infrastructure in the past week. The Russian defence ministry in a statement claimed that it destroyed Ukraine’s Western-supplied cruise missiles, depleted-uranium shells, aircraft, armored vehicles repair facilities, oil refineries, depots of ammunition and foreign-made arms, training centers for Ukrainian saboteurs, and accommodation occupied by foreign mercenaries.

Meanwhile Bandera sympathizers, sycophants and propagandists insist that Russia running out of missiles, tanks, ammunition and personnel..  :lol2:

‘Empire Of Lies’: Russia’s Lavrov Blasts ‘Self-Centered’ West At UNGA Amid Ukraine War | Watch

Russia blasted western nations at the United Nations General Assembly over their stance on the Ukraine war. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called west an “empire of lies”, adding that it failed to walk the talk on maintaining international rules. Lavrov also further said that the U.S.-led west wants the world to follow its own “self-centered” rules.  shakehead.gif
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Russia is breaking the un sanctions on arms trade with north korea, that russia itself voted for. So much for lavrov's international rules.
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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 28 2023, 09:47 AM)
The Fall | Wagner Autumn Tour. Kupiansk Supply Collapse. shocking.gif  Military Summary And Analysis For 2023.9.27

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Pretty optimistic of some people to think that a mercenary organisation will perform at the same level after nationalising them, cutting their salary, and liquidating their former heads.
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Sep 28 2023, 12:57 PM)
Only optimism that's left for their fuel.
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If i was a wagner mercenary and i was given a choice between being let go or signing a multi-year contract (reportedly with a 40% salary reduction) to serve under the command of generals my former boss used to rival with, im probably not going to sign that contract.

Who's left would be those former prisoners who now will follow army doctrine. Now much different from regular army formations, except that shoigu and gerasimov probably wont care so much if these fellows join prigozhin sooner than later.
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QUOTE(Catnip @ Sep 29 2023, 03:49 PM)
Russia’s defense lines turned out to be stronger than West expected — UK defense chief
In his opinion, observers should not expect successes of the Ukrainian counter-offensive in the short-term perspective whistling.gif
i.e. dream on, never gonna win... 🤣

LONDON, September 29. /TASS/. Ukraine’s counter-offensive proceeds slowly because Russia’s defensive lines turned out to be stronger than the West expected, the chief of the UK defense staff, Admiral Tony Radakin, was quoted as saying by The Times.

In his opinion, observers should not expect successes of the Ukrainian counter-offensive in the short-term perspective. Radakin believes that "a visceral war" is now being waged, and winning it would require both military and economic might.

"It’s the military that wins battles, but it’s the economics and that sustainability that tends to win wars," he added. nod.gif

Radakin went on to say that Ukraine’s operations are hampered by the lack of military training for the country’s mobilized soldiers. He also explained the lack of progress by "the wide variety" of military vehicles and equipment in service with the Ukrainian troops, who now have to use both Soviet-made and Western weaponry. Moreover, he hinted that the Kiev government was probably too late in launching its counter-offensive. shakehead.gif

"When you look at the start of the counteroffensive, there were points where Ukraine wanted to assure itself of a bit more equipment, more ammunition, then it went into a bad period of weather and that impacted [it]. Then you’ve done some of the wargaming and made assessments about Russia and then in actuality some of those Russian defences have been stronger than first anticipated," the UK admiral said after visiting Kiev with the country’s Defense Secretary Grant Shapps.

Ukrainian forces have been making unsuccessful attempts at an offensive since June 4. Russian President Vladimir Putin said on September 12 that Ukraine had lost 71,500 servicemen and about 18,500 tanks and other armored vehicles by that time. Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on September 26 that Ukraine's losses had exceeded 17,000 people over the past month alone, while the "counteroffensive" had failed to make any significant gains. shocking.gif

While Bandera sympathizers, sycophants and propagandists keep harping on that the Russian economy is in shambles, running out of men and materiel they never talk about the Ukrainian economy under the corrupted nefarious Bandera regime lead by the puppet 🤡 diktat Zelensky... 😆
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I like pro-russians' train of thought

Russia isnt winning against ukraine: "dont compare russia with ukraine. Russia is fighting against nato!"
Russia's economy is doing so badly that it, as a fuel producer, is having fuel shortages: "dont compare russia with nato. Look at ukraine!"

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QUOTE(pineapplegrenade @ Oct 2 2023, 03:20 PM)
What I know right now, after 4 months long offensive, Russia defensive army surprisingly gain 200 miles new territories. I think Ukraine offensive is successful.

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Funny way of misrepresenting data, but its understandable that russia needs to bend the truth at this point.
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QUOTE(Catnip @ Oct 5 2023, 02:55 AM)
Russia Blows Up Tonnes Of Ukrainian Weapons; 'Spooked' Zelensky Rushes To Battleground | Watch

The Russian Army's carpet-bombing in Ukraine has rattled Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Russia rained down hell from the skies on Ukrainian positions in Luhansk. Hours after the decimation of Kyiv's units, Zelensky rushed to the battleground. The Ukrainian President seemed to be in panic mode after Russia gutted Kyiv's arms stocks. Ukraine's leader visited his troops on the frontlines in Luhansk's Krasny Liman. Zelensky is planning to begin his autumn attack after his spring offensive failed. However, Russia's swift action on the ground has caught Ukraine off guard. :lol2:

Mutiny In Ukrainian Army? Command 'Forbids Troops From Grouping Together' | Details

The Ukrainian Army is staring at a possible mutiny amid intense war with Russia. Ukrainian command has allegedly forbid troops from grouping together over mutiny. Distrust is growing as Ukrainian fighters apparently feel leadership is pushing them to death. These startling claims about the Ukrainian Army have been made by ex-Pentagon officials.
Meanwhile, Bandera sympathizers, sycophants and propagandists continue to insist that everything is fine in Ukraine and they are winning!  shocking.gif

Ukraine Haunted By 2022 Winter Memories: Watch Preparation To Save Energy Grid From Russian Missiles

Ukraine will soon face its second winter at war with Russia amid growing concerns over attacks on its energy infrastructure.  Therefore, the war-torn country is adapting its tactics. Kyiv is boosting its air defence in Ukraine’s northern regions.

'Ukrainian Army Defeated': Russia's Big Declaration As Belarus Rallies Troops For 'Combat Readiness'

Kyiv’s attempts to attack Russian defenses on frontlines in the east and south of the country have “failed,”. nod.gif  Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shouigu said the enemy’s attempts to break through our defenses in the areas of Verbovoye and Rabotino on the Zaporizhzhia front have failed.  shakehead.gif
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Im surprised pro-russians havent repeated the "winter gives +10 stats to russian soldiers" line by this time.
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Oct 18 2023, 12:34 AM)
Apparently, the 🇺🇦Ukrainian Armed Forces used the MGM-140B ATACMS Block 1A (M39A1) ballistic cluster missile to strike the Berdyansk airfield.

This missile contains 275-300 M74 submunitions (already found at the impact site) and is capable of hitting targets at a range of up to 300 kilometers.

The missile is capable of being launched from the M142 HIMARS, M270B and MARS II launchers already in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/...256969265979901

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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ Oct 23 2023, 05:41 PM)
Wait. Do people actually give a shit about Ukraine?. Russia should just plow in the place and no one cares
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assuming they can.
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ Oct 23 2023, 09:18 PM)
Without the west support they can

Atm the russian just reinforced all the land that they have and refuse to go any further since it will only cause more bloodshed

Plus there are a real possibility a new front is opening in the middle east where all the major power have their own horse to back up. Even the west slowed significant when it comes to Ukraine. If israel go into gaza. The chance are there will be WW3. As unfortunate as it may seems.
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you may want to check the current battle over avdiivka, where russia is really trying to push with a lot of documented losses.
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Nov 17 2023, 08:51 AM)
People seriously need to get a grip and refocus.

1. There no conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny. It’s an artificial “issue” pushed by Russia.
2. Arestovych is a marginal uninformed pro-Russian crank in exile who holds increasingly radical anti-Ukrainian views.
3. Please.

There’s no world in which Arestovych, a new age adept of the archetype theory, formerly associated with Dugin in his anti-Western “Eurasian” views, who claims to be a spy, a fighter pilot, and an actor, and claims to remotely massage people’s stomachs, becomes President.

https://twitter.com/krides/status/1724797003060965461

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> claims to remotely massage people’s stomachs

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