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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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post Jul 12 2023, 06:11 AM

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post Jul 12 2023, 06:14 AM

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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 12 2023, 01:16 AM)
dont get it.
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The tweet claims that the guy on the left pic an ethnic Chechen fighting for Ukraine is seen in the right pic with Russia's Akhmat battalion field commander, implying he is either a double agent or have defected to the Russian side.

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post Jul 12 2023, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 11 2023, 06:21 PM)
IIRC cluster munitions are best used against targets in the open

Also Ukraine inherited a lot of cluster munitions from Soviet stocks, especially missile-dispersed ones fired by the SS-21 Scarab system. Guess they wasted them firing them all at civilians in the Donbass these past few years.
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They actually fired cluster munition at citizens in Donbass? Wtf.
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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Jul 12 2023, 07:46 AM)
They actually fired cluster munition at citizens in Donbass? Wtf.
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Yes, started back in 2014 after the establishment of the DPR and LPR.

If rajin, can search pics from back then of numerous empty casings of cluster munitions missiles fired from Ukrainian Tochka-U (SS-21 Scarab) ballistic missile and Uragan MLRS systems.

HRW even has a comprehensive report on it but obviously it was ingored by many as it does not implicate Russia.

HRW report here: Cluster munitions in the Donbass

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post Jul 12 2023, 08:32 AM

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Russian defemce minister Shoigu promises retaliation if Ukraine uses cluster munitions on Russian forces
Have to remember Russia still has a lot of cluster munitions in the form of aerial bombs, ballistic missiles, MLRS and artillery shells while Ukraine will have to depend on the US-supplied DPICM artillery shells.

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post Jul 12 2023, 08:36 AM

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russian media has been saying it has no effect and you even post an report the western general says not much effect, so... why are they worried? 😂

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 12 2023, 08:32 AM)
Russian defemce minister Shoigu promises retaliation if Ukraine uses cluster munitions on Russian forces
Have to remember Russia still has a lot of cluster munitions in the form of aerial bombs, ballistic missiles, MLRS and artillery shells while Ukraine will have to depend on the US-supplied DPICM artillery shells.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 12 2023, 08:14 AM)
Yes, started back in 2014 after the establishment of the DPR and LPR.

If rajin, can search pics from back then of numerous empty casings of cluster munitions missiles fired from Ukrainian Tochka-U (SS-21 Scarab) ballistic missile and Uragan MLRS systems.

HRW even has a comprehensive report on it but obviously it was ingored by many as it does not implicate Russia.

HRW report here: Cluster munitions in the Donbass

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I like being spoonfed. Ukraine hardcore attacking own citizens using cluster munitions. I know Donbass being bombed but didn't know they used cluster.

Anything that puts Ukraine in a bad light is ignored by Western media anyway. Ukraine auto suci murni. Later after work I go find the images you suggested.
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jul 12 2023, 08:36 AM)
russian media has been saying it has no effect and you even post an report the western general says not much effect, so... why are they worried? 😂
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if u have reason/excuse to use it too, why not? biggrin.gif
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jiiiibai kena troll lagi wtf laugh.gif

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it is just weird that the narrative was cluster munitions not effective , cluster munitions won't affect much to our cluster munitions are stronger and transition to if Ukraine use cluster munitions, so we will too but...

according to reports, russian forces has been using cluster bombs to cluster incendiary to level down cities and towns for a whole long year.

QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jul 12 2023, 08:51 AM)
if u have reason/excuse to use it too, why not?  biggrin.gif
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post Jul 12 2023, 09:23 AM

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doesnt matter liao, french is giving long range missile to ukraine. now those wanting to see ukraine being 'flatten' have a fat chance to witness kichimiao country vs superpower. One missile hit moscow, all hell will break lose.

oh ya, US says they run out of ammo to give ukraine. now forced to give cluster weapon.
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 12 2023, 09:23 AM)
doesnt matter liao, french is giving long range missile to ukraine. now those wanting to see ukraine being 'flatten' have a fat chance to witness kichimiao country vs superpower. One missile hit moscow, all hell will break lose.

oh ya, US says they run out of ammo to give ukraine. now forced to give cluster weapon.
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so estimated nuclear launch when?
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QUOTE(H4XF4XTOR @ Jul 12 2023, 09:24 AM)
so estimated nuclear launch when?
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not yet la, escalation takes step by step. we see conventional missile hit each other first then if not enough, or cannot table nego, may use nuclear if tension is very high.

europe sure kena hit, later if US didnt back down or still want pursue ukraine to join NATO, confirm nuclear war. US bleed, then shark will come, the whole world turn upside down.

see if american can stop this warmonger biden or not, if not US in the first time in history will bleed and no longer be no.1
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lol the analogy is very simple. u punya mercedes benz want to bang my toyota altis, if u think worth, then go ahead and do it.

see this situation like this, most likely US again will chicken out la.
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jul 12 2023, 09:31 AM)
not yet la, escalation takes step by step. we see conventional missile hit each other first then if not enough, or cannot table nego, may use nuclear if tension is very high.

europe sure kena hit, later if US didnt back down or still want pursue ukraine to join NATO, confirm nuclear war. US bleed, then shark will come, the whole world turn upside down.

see if american can stop this warmonger biden or not, if not US in the first time in history will bleed and no longer be no.1
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After a single old school Patriot took out multiple hypersonic Khinzal , I think NATO quite confident of their ballistic missile defence. Europe got Aster and US got Aegis.

That’s why even France start to send good stuff to kill Russians. And US give its entire stockpile of 3 million cluster.

But NATO still holding back good stuff like F16. Think they just want to drag and bleed Russians out.
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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Jul 12 2023, 08:47 AM)
I like being spoonfed. Ukraine hardcore attacking own citizens using cluster munitions. I know Donbass being bombed but didn't know they used cluster.

Anything that puts Ukraine in a bad light is ignored by Western media anyway. Ukraine auto suci murni. Later after work I go find the images you suggested.
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Both sides using cluster munitions for long time. Just that now Ukraine running low and US happen to have 3 million pieces they want to decommission. Fortunately US now can save money by using them on Russians.

Anyway we just want to watch more drone footage of cluster munitions . Slavs can fight Slavs all day long, nobody really cares otherwise, just give us interesting videos.
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QUOTE(Halas @ Jul 12 2023, 09:38 AM)
After a single old school Patriot took out multiple hypersonic Khinzal , I think NATO quite confident of their ballistic missile defence. Europe got Aster and US got Aegis.
dont be naive to think your multi stages ABM can defeat all multiple nuke reentry warhead. when nuclear war started, it is already too late.

you think russian have no brain, sit there watch US ABM to kill of all khinzals? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Halas @ Jul 12 2023, 09:38 AM)
After a single old school Patriot took out multiple hypersonic Khinzal , I think NATO quite confident of their ballistic missile defence. Europe got Aster and US got Aegis.

That’s why even France start to send good stuff to kill Russians. And US give its entire stockpile of 3 million cluster.

But NATO still holding back good stuff like F16. Think they just want to drag and bleed Russians out.
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For those who dunno, this is basically western mindset in a nutshell. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Halas @ Jul 12 2023, 09:42 AM)
Both sides using cluster munitions for long time. Just that now Ukraine running low and US happen to have 3 million pieces they want to decommission. Fortunately US now can save money by using them on Russians.

Anyway we just want to watch more drone footage of cluster munitions . Slavs can fight Slavs all day long, nobody really cares otherwise, just give us interesting videos.
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I want both those country to be at peace tho. The longer they fight the more US gain. Also we also lose the longer they fight, economy wise.
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