And then there is singapore with 50 fighter jets in small island city

Malaysia seriously for many years neglecting military

U cant compare Norway & UK to Malaysia.
1st- Norway is neutral country. They are not NATO. They never make any military pact.
2nd- UK. They are one of the world military power. They have land in every continents to protect.
3nd- Malaysia have military pact wt UK. Every year we make joint exercise wt them. Let say China attack & invade Malaysia; guarantee UK & ally (Australia, New Zealand etc) will come & protect Malaysia as we consider as their sphere of influence. Their army based just next to us in Brunei anyway..

It's not that I want to say we no need planes, we still need it. But no need to be equal as them.

This post has been edited by khusyairi: May 29 2023, 11:57 AM

Norway is a founding member of NATO
However it's true that Norway is the richest of the Scandinavian countries
They had oil reserves equivalent to Malaysia, but with 6 times fewer population
Also, they invested their money well, instead of squandering it...

UK is one of the top 10 militaries in the world, true
However, the figures I gave here is the figures given for air defence of these two countries
the UK has more forces in addition

Malaysia has military pacts with UK, but it's not a guaranteed one; FPDA is not the same as NATO
furthermore, all pacts are subject to current political situation
if we act against UK interests, pact or no pact, they may not help us
this is just realpolitik

as for Brunei, the UK has a contractual obligation to defend the Brunei Sultan
he paid them to be there, FYI

anyway as I said... I agree, we are a poor country. (we were not clever and conscientious like the Norwegians.) so we can't afford the stuff we want. the point I was making however is that a certain number of jets to cover a certain area of airspace.

We just make do with fa50 it seems

18 jets plus future addition 18

FA50 is a steal tho
36 is not bad

like I said, I can wish for more, but the fact of the matter is that we cannot afford it

Yep, we almost got seaguardian ucav at 1/3 of the price of what the Taiwan paid.
To bad the deal did not get thru.

Patrol stress in this term is long hours of operation and loitering
Every time an aircraft takes off and landing it actually contribute to stress to the frame. This is what we call operation hours, thats why usually after long operation commercial aircraft is will go C-Check maintenance that could take up to a year.

On fighter jet, even when they are not doing shows they will still engage in high G maneuver daily basics. In fact airshow maneuver is way safer for frame as all the maneuver is not a demanding during training where the maneuver can be continuous and for long time.

US kene ada juga.
Tu pasal tudm nak ada 2 frontier fighters from 2 different region.

Could be more the 36 in the future.

much as that would be nice, we need to grow our exports too

like how 8 hornet was supposed to become 18....

just celebrate 18 first. whether go to 36, when contract sign then celebrate not late.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...don-sustainment

Boeing has signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Singapore's state-affiliated defence company ST Engineering to jointly explore potential areas of co-operation regarding the P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft (MPA).

The MOU was disclosed by Boeing in a media release on 29 May. Under the MOU, Boeing and ST Engineering will “outline potential areas of collaboration in systems integration, training, local parts distribution, support and sustainment work for the P-8A Poseidon”, said the release.

“Boeing and ST Engineering have identified opportunities to collaborate in a number of areas and will explore these in more detail, including jointly developing a P-8 service centre in Singapore with the provision of engineers and aircraft maintenance technicians to support maintenance and engineering services,” it added.

ST Engineering had not responded to Janes request for a statement on the MOU and for more details on the potential collaboration at the time of publication.

The P-8A is a long-range MPA that is based on Boeing's 737-800 commercial airframe. Besides maritime patrol missions, the aircraft is also capable of carrying out anti-submarine; anti-surface; intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance; and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR) operations.

The P-8A's core suite of sensors includes the Raytheon AN/APY-10 maritime surveillance radar, the L-3 Wescam MX-20HD digital electro-optic/infrared (EO/IR) sensor, the Northrop Grumman AN/ALQ-240(V)1 electronic support measures (ESM) system, and the Terma AN/ALQ-213(V) electronic warfare management system.

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ahaha. With this new nugget of info, it looks like Sg will most likely go for P8 after all or at least the frame and install her own custom sensors.

Sg is currently in the midst on deciding on the replacement for the Fokker 50 MPA.

Msia rely on FPDA intervention? Youve got to be joking. It is not even binding.

The other countries in the so called agreement have other more important arrangements.

But yes, it is still a useful narrative for Msia.

FPDA lol. You better pray PRC accidently drop some bombs over the border in Brunei if you're relying on UK to defend us in a war.

The only 2 countries which could conceivably come to Msia's aid militarily are Australia and Sg. And Msia has been absolutely pally with them both that they will not think twice to assist.

FPDA allows UK, AUS and NZ to help MY and/or sinkie. it does not obligate sinkie to help MY.

It does not obligate UK, Aus and NZ to help My and Sinkie.

well depends
does malaysia getting invaded by china/indonesia/thailand benefit Singapore

and if the aggressor was PRC then US would get involved, which also gives Aust & Sg the permission to join in.

Mai is right. no obligation thats why did not use the word for uk, aus and nz. but it does allow the other 3 to help if they choose to. more like a framework agreement.

Lets be clear about this. The FPDA is not a binding defence treaty on the NATO model, but commits the five members to consult in case of an armed attack on Malaysia or Singapore.

The exact word is "consult".

So nak tolong tak tolong is left to imagination. It does not matter if the help come from any one of the 5 countries or all.

As is, the only 2 militaries strong enough to be able to offer significant militarily "help" are Australia and Singapore. In fact, the militaries of these 2 countries have become quite integrated.

and there is a reason Malaysia didnt "kick out" Australia from Butterworth Airbase

Australia has P8 based in Butterworth, and have made some upgrades to the base so it can park some F35 if needed

This post has been edited by Raddus: May 31 2023, 05:26 PM

us model also apply. zero treaty they also intervene. just a question of whether they get anything out of it. kaypoh doctrine.