wow, V3 ... awesome

Its quite normal for your marks to drop in vista from XP. Nvidia drivers for Vista still loses out on ATi, AFAIK, in certain situation, ATI's vista drivers perform better than it was in XP.

Anyways, was nice chatting with ya and db on msn just now =)

Cheers

home at last !!!
gonna rip my rig apart now, got some new stuff to fix.. and most importantly.. the F3 !!!!

Will get back here with some results

i think i really hit my board's limit... dang !!!
really unsatisfied with the fact that i can only go max 1.55vcore
i think ill get a new board this weekend. Im sure this proc has a huge potential..
Anyways, as for now this is my best result...

24.838s 1m SPI

3.5Ghz @ 1.55v



Now testing a stable clock for my 24/7 usage

PRC : 3.1Ghz @ 1.25v
RAM : 517Mhz @ 4-4-4-8-11

Idle temps : 33c
Load temps : 38c

i love the temps @ 1.25v

Now orthos @ 17minute, if it passes 1 hour then add me to the list

1 hour orthos passed

and good temps on top of that, pretty cool to see 40c on 1 hour load hehe.

3800+ X2 Windsor F3 | AoiNatsume | Gigabyte GA-MA69G-S3H | Crucial 10th Anniversary | Zalman CPNS9700NT | 3100Mhz



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opps, forgot to attach screenie



This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Oct 20 2007, 02:53 AM

will do, ill post up the result when i get back from work later =)

aiks.. just noticed BH-4 is in AMD OC thread too, ur hsf should arrive to your place by wednesday

Btw, 1.65 is pretty good already, my board only goes max up to 1.55vcore...

There is no suitable voltage for anything at all actually. It all depends on your own setup and you have to experiment it for yourself. Each of our setups are different and unique, and overclocking yields different results for all of us. Given the same clockspeed and ram mhz/timing, it does not nescessary give the same result.

IMHO, it is safe to pump as much vcore as you want, but just keep 1 thing in mind, your temps. As long as it is within 55-65 on full load, it is perfectly safe. Procs these days aren't easy to toast. Air cooling, or water cooling, just keep an eye on the temps, it doesnt matter. If your temps are below 60-65 on air cooling on 1.6/1.7v, then it is okay to proceed.

Anyways... i think i hit my walls on my board.. this is as far as i can go and i dont think i can go any further with my current board.

24.367 SPI 1M



Its really pissing me off that i know the fact that it can be pushed further.. my temps on 1.55v max out only @ 50c full load... grrr...
my board is really holding back my rams and the F3

what board are u using?

you should use 1 ram only if you're aiming for high clock, purely for the fun of achieving crazy Ghz. Otherwise, dual channel provides more performance. The purpose of overclocking is to gain performance, whats the point of getting high clockspeed if performance is sacrificed?

The more i mess with the F3.. the more im love with it. Id like to thanks bro dblooi here for bringging in such a gem for us @ a non-profitable price. Id dare to say for RM250, there is NO BETTER proc than these babes.

After some time tweaking and messing with it, these are the results that i can conclude on my specs.

Best 1M SPI ~ 24.367s

3.55Ghz @ 1.55v | 590Mhz 5-5-5-5-11 2T | 1400mhz HTT



As for now, ive found the best clock that provides stability AND the best temps for my 24/7 use.

3.2Ghz @ 1.3v | 533Mhz 5-5-5-5-11 2T | 1200mhz HTT

And trust me its rock stable. 1st half an hour of orthos.. i decided to push it further by pushing my 8800GTS as well. There goes the ATiTool artifact scanning at my best 8800GTS stable clock speed (650/1625/2000mhz). So.. basically im running orthos + atitool artifact scanning AND watch a movie while im at it

here are the results.



Look at the temps, 2 hours torturing my CPU/GFX and the temps are still sweet.

CPU = 42c
GFX = 63c
NB = 48c


And just in case any of u guys are wondering how i score for 1m SPI on this settings.



Do take note, my 3.2Ghz brisbane clock had a HARD time scoring 28s, it aint easy and its on its limits just to get 28s.. and this little f3 fella made 27s a piece of cake.

Once again, a very big thanks to bro dblooi for brigging us these wonderful gems, ive made 2 great buy this year. First, my rams, and the F3

Call me whenever u happen to pass by subang, ill treat you to a lunch

This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Oct 24 2007, 01:13 AM

hmm...i cant seem to run orthos past 15minutes on 3.4Ghz with 1.37v.. will need at least 1.45v for 3.4ghz to stabilize past 1 hour. My room goes rather hot in the day time.. so id prefer to keep my temps as low as possible, therefore, going as low vcore as possible but not sacrificing too much performance

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Added on October 24, 2007, 10:03 amand btw, just to add. Googled copy-waza and came out with these results.

http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Hardware-Gu...ips-and-Tricks/

Very usefull for benching.. i havent tried it personally though. Will try it out tonight

This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Oct 24 2007, 10:03 AM

Even the best TIM that you use wont yield positive result with stock HSF. At most maybe only 1-3c difference. In your case, your temps arent looking too good, id advise you to lower your clockspeed/vcore to an optimal temp (max 65c on load). If you're idling on 56-58 thats not looking good, on load it might go all the way up to 70-80.

@tachlio
chipset voltage should be + 0.1v at least when overclocking your HTT to ensure stability. HT overclocking can improve overall system performance, in certain case (me), HT overclocking improves pretty much (1s SPI 1M) performance and it provides better stability @ 1400mhz on my 3.5Ghz overclock. Weird thing is, i can pass 5 hours orthos on 1400mhz(350X4) but when running 1050mhz(350x3), it failed the first 30minutes.

Using better quality PSU isnt only meant for overclocking. Basically, 3 major factors that make people consider getting higher end PSU, mainly due to having many power hungry components (GFX,HDD,Optical Drives). And as well as getting a more stable and reliable PSU than those of unbranded ones which flunctuates alot which also heavily influence overclocking result.

it only took me 1.55vcore to get 3.5Ghz. It isnt suicide OC as long as temps are under control. With my past experience playing with brisbane.. normally the best i could get within safe voltage (<1.6v) would be around 3.2 to 3.3 tops.

graduated from G2 to F3, it maxed out @ 3.2Ghz. Even when both is on 3.2Ghz, G2 loses out about 4 secs on SPI-1M.

its applicable to prime. Prime has only support for single core therefore double copy is needed. Orthos has multi core intergration.

its quite normal, it took me 1.5v to get my brisby running @ 3.0Ghz, and maxed out @ 3.2Ghz at 1.55v... cant go any further than that already.

Heres some simple refference vdimm

1.8-2.1 = totally safe
2.2-2.3 = safe for 24/7 with proper cooling (ram coolers/ram heat spreaders)
2.4-2.6 = make sure u know what you're doing, eitherway, not recommended for long term usage.
2.6 above = be prepared for damage

Vcore (note, applies to Windsor and Brisbane only)

1.2-1.4 = perfectly safe
1.4-1.6 = temps will rise, make sure adequate cooling is applied.
1.7 > = get prepared for sudden death, dont go over 1.6 if you dont know what you're doing.

And something to add to RAM timings, on my own experience, some chips doesnt like voltage to get good timings.

Overall on ram tweaking, high mhz is pointless if you have to sacrifice timings too much, generally speaking look at refference below.

333mhz (DDR667) = recommended ( cl3-4)
400mhz (DDR800) = try getting within cl4-5 below 2.1v or max cl5
500mhz (DDR1000) = CL5 works good here, if you need to loosen your timing up to cl6, its better to stick to 400mhz. CL4 is recommended for best performance, usually doesnt required more than 2.3v

Generally speaking, RAM performance does give a big boost to AMD systems. It is wise to invest in a good ram as it give noticeable performance boost given that you know how to tweak it. Plus, performance rams are cheap these days, go grab any D9 microns, do keep in mind one thing, lower ram density provides greater overclockability. For example, 512x2 modules will perform better than 1GBx2 in non-intensive memory applications(superPI). Still, it is generally recommended 1GBx2 for overall system performance. I still remember those that that i bought HyperX 256MBx2 for RM600 perkit back to those S478 days

conclusion, find the perfect spot between mhz and timing. and look out for the heat as well.

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Added on November 18, 2007, 10:45 pmJust to add some reference temps for newbies

Brisbane core is know to be much cooler than of windsor, therefore temps will vary accordingly.

Take note, regardless of windsor or brisbane, the safe limit is the same. Do not go past 65c on full load. Even 65c on full load is not a very good temp, a healthy 24/7 usage would be below 40 on idle and 60 on full load. Of course, the lower the better. It is wise to invest in a proper cooling, and make sure its a multi-platform compatible HSF as it will be usefull across different platforms and is re-useable in a long term. For newbie, avoid water cooling, it is not adviseable even with those all in 1 kit. It may look good but it far from proper high end water cooling, and maintance is not an easy chore. Recommended at the moment would be Xigmatek 90mm or if you can stretch your budget, try to go for xigmatek S1283, its one of the best performance/price as of now.

And do take note, some am2 motherboards are known to have issue with heat sensors therefore, giving inaccurate results. Keep 1 thing in mind, temps of any components in your computer can never be lower than ambient temps(beside extreme cooling like DI,phase change and in some case, high end water cooling), therefore if your temp readings are way too low, or way too high, the best way to find out is to gently touch the heatsink itself.

For X2 users, you will notice temps difference between the 2 cores, this is normal because each core handles load separately. One may be more active than the other, always take the one with the higher temps as refference.

This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Nov 18 2007, 11:57 PM

Thats not nescessary the case. Even D9 microns comes in many variations. The reason why the 10th anny 667 is performing so well is because they are 100% confirmed to be D9GMH. Even ballistix/ballistix tracer is not confirmed to be using D9GMH. There are several spotted case that they might be using D9GKX or other D9 chips.

In memory performance, there are 2 things to look for, the speed(DDR677/800/1066 etc) and the timing as well (4-4-4-12/5-5-5-15 etc) Generally, the lower the value, the better.

Read below.

Yes, it proves to be usefull in many situation. Generally, XP is designed for single cores in the first place, therefore it does not know how to fully utilize multi cores unlike vista.

This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Nov 24 2007, 12:59 AM

obviously its the tracer...

Anyways, go get the ram cooelrs from AllnGap, ask him to get your the acrylic ones without any UV colours, that way, the LED still shines through =) Mine is that way though

At the moment... sourcing for more info regarding phenom before i can my hands on one, rams and watercooling is already here, the next thing i need would be a decent 790chipset and a good phenom

Ahh... in the progress of a major upgrade is always heart thumping

Gonna get another tripple rad to accompany my dual rad currently, planning to run passive

Any tips on picking phenoms yet?