Those using DSLR, did u upgrade to mirrorless or still with DSLR or did you quit and use phone ?

I am contemplating if i should invest on more dslr lens or upgrade to mirrorless.

Bit confused if it is gonna be waste of money..

remember camera are just a tools.....what makes photo enticing is the creativity of person view and mind

Ya ya i know that LOL

I wanted to get the 300m range to do birding lol.

But mirrorless is lighter for travel. Just dono if any more benefit than that

Samseng S23 Ultra 100X, kawtim your weight problems, sesat in jungle seeing bebird can get back safely

Get the Canon R5

depend on what you want to do.....

all 3 different purpose

all 3 also I got

if u have dslr then get new lens.

mirrorless is good for lightweight carry but battery life is worse compared to dslr.

need being backup battery, compared to dslr you might not need to worry.

i've used both on separate travelling occasions and the photo quality between the two is negligible. biggest factor is your skills/talents and lens.

Depends. If the photos end up in social media like Facebook/Instagram just get a better phone.

using S23 Ultra, general photo i shoot using hand phone.
if i know going for trip, once in a life time i shoot with a7iii

people can say waste money, but few thousand ringgit i can shoot a photo that worth to print out. and 20 years later it still can show to my child or grandchild

i got extra, i will get A7rv/A7iv

invest a good performing lens if u want to reach 300mm, don't cheapskates

I only use phone nowadays. Dslr hobby mahal. Plus we need to subscribe to adobe lightroom, photoshop to make the photos looks good. (except for those that like to use *cough*cough version)

DSLR?? hahahaha
nikon kat BTS pon dan lama gulung tikar wei

dulu zaman SLR upgrade to DSLR..mana ppl go but the camera and act pro.
u go pasar seni or pudu alot youngman take the street photo with the dslr...
damn pro yo......

but now all these ppl now r unker liao
letting go the kit cheap cheap pon susah jual kluar.

interesting. but no space to bring jalan2...

phone je nowadays.

dulu bawa dslr + bag klau gaya + 100
now u bawa kluar...hahahahaha ppl laugh 9 at u

Hmm ok ok, ayam gonna drive, will reply in a while

at least tell us what purpose u wan ur gear to serve u, and what budget u have lah doh..

thinking of selling my m43

Camera is just tool, patato pun ok if you have talent

Are you got talent?

Well depends?
I sometimes pakai iPhone 14 Pro, I feel the camera doesn't perform as expected.

But if ada extra cash, do invest in a proper mirrorless.

my journey
canon dslr > canon mirrorless > fuji x100v.
i know i only use prime lens then end up using fuji x100v as my end tool. mind you i had my canon dslr 500d for around 7 years like that then moved on to canon m6. only last year changed to fuji x100v.

dslr and upgrade/downgrade to fuji

quit and start using mobile phone when DSLR body die

now just keeping lens for display purpose

This post has been edited by fantasy1989: May 22 2023, 03:42 PM

i tak ada chance pakai mirrorless so tak tahu, but then mirrorless quite lightweight right

DSLR still best on landscape and night
portrait use phone can liao

Still stick with my SLT 👍

S23 ultra....can play like DSLR. can ask 'julies' be your model.

still using my dslr and rx100
wanted to try fujifilm x100 many years ago but i thought it was expensive, so no plans at the moment to do anything

if i were you, upgrade to mirrorless if gatal, if not just stick to dslr and dont buy anymore lenses

i'm still using this.

good?

I remember dulu using Nikon F3 damn cangih, one expensive Nikkor 300mm mirrorless for sports event or bird watching, plus a few Sigma and Tamron zooms. 30 years down the road, all antiques. DSLR memang cool and save on films but feel lifeless, skills all up to AI and apps later. Phone cameras getting better but can't depend on miniature lens and digital zooms. Real lenses on DSLRs have different results when you zoom and less noise.

Now I mainly shoot film. Lens and camera is cheap but film and processing is expensive.

The best camera is always the camera you can carry with you everywhere

300mm? you want to shot neighbour daughter or son's bird? talk nicely

just get whatever your comfortable with, right now I personally don't have any cameras outside of my phone. But if there is a need or my hobbies circles back to photography I'd buy a mirrorless like Fujifilm or sony > all.

my first cam

I terus start with mirrorless

Not too sure if the weight saving is obvious if you factor the weight of the lens

if bebirding, no choice but stick dslr. Probably feature already enough, just get lens and try a bit. Go rent if really want to test before commit

still got ppl use DSLR now? i remember like 10 years ago everyone pig and cow also using DSLR, go any tourism place also most ppl use DSLR.

now seldom see anymore

from d750 to z6ii + s lens

for me only 2 pros :
z has better dynamic range
setup is lighter

verdict :
only got mirrorless ego inflated
can't really differentiate the IQ of one to another

meaning :
moolah could have been in better use if not of the MCO

good?

More of a space saving thing imho, can carry more lens and accessories in bag.

boleh tumpang tanya where u cuci itu filem?
i have 2 undeveloped rolls
Thanks

u never tell whats your main purpose and usage

how to advice

not a DSLR but as a pocket cam.
got a lot candid moments memories with my gf this cam

2023 already who still uses dsld lol

Mirrorless. Coz dah tua cannot carry 5kg load everytime go out shoot

DSLR still relevant. mirrorless battery cannot tahan like dslr. what mirrorless system you eyeing if convert? sony mirrorless have lots of lens selection + 3rd party. canon only exclusive canon lens and nikon lens selection is so tiny lel

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i like DSLR better battery life, better ergonomics, optical viewfinder.
i still keep mine.

but i have to say go for mirrorless because all the big names have already move on to mirrorless.
DSLR sad to say is a dying breed now......

those first generation m43 12MP sensor not very good.
the second generation 16MP sensors are better.

panasonic 14-42mm kit lens non-HD very bad.
panasonic 20mm f1.7 prime lens is very good.

i still keep my m43 as point and shoot camera though as they fit in my pocket with pancake lens.

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: May 22 2023, 04:54 PM

talking about dslr i suddenly remember this movie

mine came standard with this panasonic 14-42mm kit lens

can i upgrade this?

video on mirrorless better.

but got ppl still use dslr because of its color and cheap lens availbility.

unless you need it to be professional quality for large print
go mirrorless je
less conspicuous as well

yes upgrade it. the pana 14-42 non-HD version is not sharp at all at any aperture.

get the pana 20mm f1.7 lens or the oly 17mm f1.8.

keep it compact so it can fit in your pocket as a point and shoot camera - great for hiking.

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: May 22 2023, 05:00 PM

this is the lens that came with my lumix gf3
no good?

nope, no good.
the gf3 comes with the 14-42 non-HD.

the second generation HD is waaaaay better.


the 12-32mm is also a notable mention asit is optically better and more compact.



get a prime lens i mentioned, you wont regret it.

Thanks bro
will check it out.

oh forgot to mention that the first pana m43 kit lens 14-45mm is optically superior to the 14-42.
its touted as the best kit lens from pana.

its quite rare to find and u might want to check it out too it you can find it.

Me. Apa lanchau.

Damn, i just parked and already page 3 lol

If you starting from zero with no collection of DSLR lenses, just go mirrorless. As for whether waste or not, only you can answer. How serious are you with birding? Long telephotos aren’t cheap.

Mirrorless less heavy but requires more battery for that display.

Get more additional battery.

Lens and filter is the one you will have lots of headache

Have fun

Phone is ok but i dont like the sensor. Detail is meh

No la, my ecosystem is nikon. All my flash gear and strobe light all guna nikon

Yeah man, nikon. No tamron shit all

Mostly for landscape so i only invested on 16mm and 70-200mm. But now i ada interest on birding hehe. So wanna get 300mm

This post has been edited by bananajoe: May 22 2023, 05:16 PM

Just amateur only. Wanna get some shot from far. 200mm cant cut it

Yeah, i heard that. Battery life is terrible

Birding la. Something new

Me lol

Wanna see the cost la. If gonna be expensive, i dont mind lol

Yup

well if you still want to get a lens for your DLSR make sure you get a 300mm prime lens and non of that 300mm zoom shit.

My phone is good for day to day event shot. This dslr for print out large poster type

Hehehehe no lah

Yeah man. I think just get a lens la

Yeah man. Those zoom always need to compromise. Learned my lesson.

Prime all the way

Try if you didnt use one. Nice to hold only if ur lens is also light


Yup

Nice. How is sony ? Havent got any chance to try. I heard the dynamic range so so ?

Lol

No la, i need my lens hahaha

This post has been edited by bananajoe: May 22 2023, 05:28 PM

i think he saying SLT as in sony alpha digital mirror camera, not film SLR la.....

SLT = Single Lens Translucent for sony alpha

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: May 22 2023, 05:28 PM

Ah my eyes. Haha sorry 🤣

Now days camera phone already enough for general use

People who buy dslr/mirrorless camera nowdays mesti ada job related like videographer or photographer wedding etc

I retired ady but still have my nikon d600+nikon 24-70mm, 50mm 1.4 with flash etc

I like to print out large banners. Phone also when u edit, can see the sharpness is not there. Bit fakish details

I am no longer run after the DSLR. Used to have one. Now it is in store room.

Depends on your need. mirrorless could offer more advantage for example better AF etc. DSLR lensse can be used on mirrorless using adapters and will offer better AF compared to DSLR body. I migrated from DSLR to mirrorless and would recommend if you think that suits your need.

Dont keep too long or fungus may develop la

Hmm i will get one separate later for travels.

People use phone already lesser people use DSLR

Have you try taking raw photos from phone?

Yes the sharpness somewhat kurang skit on phone because they edit ady with scene detection and such

Portrait is actually best taken with DSLR (or mirrorless) with off-camera flash and maybe reflectors.
Many people say flash photo not good, because they don't know to to use it.

For landscape, unless you need ultra-wide or super-telephoto, phone is good enough.

For absolutely budget definitely a Canon R50 + one of the Canon R telephoto lenses.

They've got 100-400mm, 600mm 800mm, and buying the body + lens will only set you back around RM5000++

tried tat before but found out PC software have support more for cameras so in the end camera RAW is much better.

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: May 22 2023, 07:42 PM

Yup, if u look at 32 inch screen, u can see all the artifacts lol

But if i go canon, all my kits and strobe becomes useless

True

All also serves it's purpose. Sometimes phone is the best tool, sometimes the ILC is the best tool, sometimes action cam is the best tool. Nothing is a waste of money if you're happy with the process and/or output. Some people think buying stamps waste money, some people think buy antique pots waste money. If you got the disposable income, make yourself happy and spend! hahaha

1. You wrote 300m(etres) but I'm thinking you mean 300mm lens? or your bird is 300 metres away (impossible to fill the frame for an object 300m away [3 football field length] with a reasonable setup)? Either definition and you will end up spending too much or not enough reach. the common birding focal length is around 600mm in 35mm format terms. I think maybe 400mm to 500mm is also doable but it will result in lots of cropping/loss of image quality. Still doable though and acceptable IQ is subjective depending on how you view the images, using denoise/image enhancers, etc...

Weight matters when you're carrying heavy lenses around. Even normal 70-200mm can feel heavy after a while. cannot imagine those 600mm lenses regardless of mirrorless or dslr lenses. If you can pay to shave some grams of your setup, I would say go for it. Gonna cost ya a lot of money though for those shaved grams.

2. IMHO, specifically for birding, I don't think ANY phone camera can do proper birding (unless you photograph birds in cages or zoos or maybe urban pigeons that aren't afraid of humans).. if you're thinking birding as in walking around in a park and you see an egret/kingfisher and you wanna shoot a picture, NO PHONE is acceptable for birding. Would love to see people try though. This alone already justifies the use of an ILC if indeed your goal and passion is birding. I think a camera with merely 200-300mm and cropped to fill the frame will still do better than a phone camera BY A LONG SHOT with its digital zooming to the same equivalent framing.

3. Many youtubers showcase like 'phone vs camera' comparisons. I think for various genres like portraits, landscapes, still life, product, low light, etc.... there could be a case for both ILCs and phones depending on the case usage and skill of the photographer. Especially for top end phones with pro RAW, computational photography, these things are getting pretty good right now for a lot of use cases. Both are great tools in your arsenal. I recommend you check Lee Zavitz channel. he does very good comparisons for portraits this way for a lot of the current phones/ILCs.

I would even add by saying that getting a decent phone (with a decent camera) is just something you'd get anyway even if you don't plan on buying an ILC. so there's no choice factor of either or... merely do you want more toys and enjoy the process and output an ILC can provide that can be very different from what we get with our phones. hahaha. BUY!

Yeah i meant 300mm.

Oo so need 600mm 🫣. Dono can afford the price hahaha
But good point, thanks for sharing.

I need to create my budget la, thats why i asked

own a Fuji XS10 for travel purpose.

I see you're asking about taking a camera for travels?

I have iPhone 14 Pro Max, Sony A7III with 85mm 1.8, Fujifilm X100V fixed lens mirrorless. The Fuji is very expensive costing more than iPhone but it's very well worth the investment, especially if you're printing the photos. Don't even need to Lightroom coz the film simulations are beyond amazing.

I travel around a lot and for extended duration of time. Let me tell you something, compact and convenience is king.

Here are some UNEDITED shots taken with my Fuji.

When I look back at all the past photos I take, I will always associate phone photos to belong to some era and the pics just feel so artificial.

these days we all go Sony A7
those pocket camera are dated so many decades already

but very heavy lor. nowadays most hp good enough for normal pictures.

Nice. Always nice to expand to new genres to keep it fresh.

I see you're already a Nikon shooter. the F-mount 200-500mm always seems to be praised. I see the used prices in carousel going for <RM5k. At least you don't have to switch systems. Those 500mm primes are bonkers in their prices.

The Tamron 150-600mm G2 for Nikon seems to get good reviews too. that's a whole lot cheaper used at around <RM4k in carousel. However, the IQ and AF speed for the Nikon is supposedly far superior

Me
Phone —> Mirrorless —> Back to phone again

Ur leica is dslr?

Lighter to carry ?