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9m2w
post Apr 1 2024, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(samjet @ Apr 1 2024, 01:47 PM)
based on my own statistics with fren & acquaintance around
PE fail rate - 0%
PEPC fail rate - 90%

of course not applicable for all
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90% that high

Damn

What disciplines? Civil /Electric?
samjet
post Apr 1 2024, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Apr 1 2024, 10:42 PM)
90% that high

Damn

What disciplines? Civil /Electric?
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Doesn’t really which discipline.. PEPC exam they can ask u even contract matter
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post Apr 1 2024, 11:12 PM

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iem hem is relatively useless in Malaysia.
dono what they ever do to protect engineers.
engineers in Malaysia is like low kelas kuli jer
kurtkob78
post Apr 1 2024, 11:29 PM

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civil engineering grad, but long time already left consultant company. never work at site. now still do technical job but not as engineer. so how to become PE ? please guide
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post Aug 12 2024, 11:16 PM

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Can someone from a purely Construction background with approx 20 years experience both in on site construction projects and HQ get an Ir? If so what would be the process?
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post Aug 12 2024, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Mar 9 2023, 01:01 PM)
actually nobody uses the title Ir in front of their name unless theyre one of those professor datuk dr Ir those kind of ppl

whats the point of getting it btw

i see my uncle has it , but he is in management, so whats the point of being an Ir...
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I have 10 years in construction b4, contracted to build roads and structures, hotels and resorts, tarak engineering degree pon.. need IR for what? Can get more contracts-ka? My ex-boss build Bakun Dam also study until MCE onli.. no doctorate title pon.



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post Dec 15 2024, 09:59 AM

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Automotive - 25+ yrs now practicing, 10+ yrs overseas, no one asks for even my degree cert anymore let alone if you are PE TanSri technologist. You're as good as your last project, if ppl think it is OK, interview 15 minutes then talk money sign contract jalan.
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post Dec 15 2024, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Mar 9 2023, 01:19 PM)
You can charge PE chops lots of moneh
Let other kuli anjing liar do the actual engineering job

Your job is only chop your name on a piece of paper easily 20k per month
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U try chop la.. any happened, you will be responsible (the function of principal). Your an-jing-near simply design thinking u will help to pick up the mistakes mana tau u blindly chop..

Harapkkan pager, paperwork makan padi.. lol
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post Dec 17 2024, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(ukiya21 @ Dec 15 2024, 10:05 AM)
U try chop la.. any happened, you will be responsible (the function of principal). Your an-jing-near simply design thinking u will help to pick up the mistakes mana tau u blindly chop..

Harapkkan pager, paperwork makan padi.. lol
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these PE definitely know the risk. Most who operate this way have residency overseas (Aus/UK/US/SG etc)

easy way to know, their staff will tell you that boss will be away for few weeks please submit asap otherwise wait till next round
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post Dec 17 2024, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Mar 9 2023, 01:19 PM)
You can charge PE chops lots of moneh
Let other kuli anjing liar do the actual engineering job

Your job is only chop your name on a piece of paper easily 20k per month
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and one day, if the building built according to your drawing crumbled like taufu

your ass will be drag to court and enjoy curry rice
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post Dec 17 2024, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 12 2024, 11:16 PM)
Can someone from a purely Construction background with approx 20 years experience both in on site construction projects and HQ get an Ir? If so what would be the process?
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need engineering degree
need to be under supervision of existing PE for at least one year, meaning a PE need to sponsor your application

There is no way to become a professional engineer in Malaysia without an accredited engineering degree recognized by the Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM). However, diploma holders can be registered as Inspectors of Work.
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post Dec 17 2024, 08:09 PM

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It is already very common in Malaysia for third-party Professional Engineers (PEs) to sign off on projects they were not involved in at all.

Those who keep saying that a PE's signature means they must take responsibility—this is good if it comes from your own conscience. However, in Malaysia, it often comes back to commercial interests and the 'money, money' aspect.

I just browsed through websites to find any cases where an engineer was jailed for design failures in Malaysia, but I couldn’t really find any (if anyone knows of such cases, please share the links).

The only court cases where engineers are fined or jailed usually involve corruption. This suggests that even the Board of Engineers does not take design failure issues that lead to deaths very seriously.

Without harsh punishments, I don’t think third-party sign-offs for money will ever be a significant issue in Malaysia.
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post Dec 17 2024, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Latacc @ Dec 15 2024, 09:59 AM)
Automotive - 25+ yrs now practicing, 10+ yrs overseas, no one asks for even my degree cert anymore let alone if you are PE TanSri technologist.  You're as good as your last project, if ppl think it is OK, interview 15 minutes then talk money sign contract jalan.
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exactly...project participation really help than these credentials until you involve in politics
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post Dec 17 2024, 08:23 PM

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so, got unprofessional ones kah?
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post Dec 17 2024, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2023, 02:35 PM)
Yes. It helps coupled with my 40 years of work experience. Especially with expats.
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Mind to share how much you earn monthly?
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post Dec 17 2024, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(hjh87 @ Dec 17 2024, 08:09 PM)
It is already very common in Malaysia for third-party Professional Engineers (PEs) to sign off on projects they were not involved in at all.

Those who keep saying that a PE's signature means they must take responsibility—this is good if it comes from your own conscience. However, in Malaysia, it often comes back to commercial interests and the 'money, money' aspect.

I just browsed through websites to find any cases where an engineer was jailed for design failures in Malaysia, but I couldn’t really find any (if anyone knows of such cases, please share the links).

The only court cases where engineers are fined or jailed usually involve corruption. This suggests that even the Board of Engineers does not take design failure issues that lead to deaths very seriously.

Without harsh punishments, I don’t think third-party sign-offs for money will ever be a significant issue in Malaysia.
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post Dec 17 2024, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(hellothere131495 @ Mar 9 2023, 12:37 PM)
Okay engineers here. I am recently interested to become a PE. Just applied Graduate Engineer after long time got my degree cert.

Now, I heard there are two ways for malaysian: One is through BEM, another is through IEM.

Both of them require you to work 3 years, in which 1 year need a supervisor/mentor to guide you.

After that, if you follow BEM path, you need to sit for PAE. If you follow IEM path, you need to sit for PI and upgrade to corporate member of IEM.

Then, baru you can apply for Professional Engineer.

I right or wrong? Is my understanding correct? If yes, why would people go for the IEM path? You need to pay for the IEM member fee again. Why not just follow BEM path, no need to pay for membership?

Another question, if follow BEM path, what should I do? As graduate engineer, i just simply find a mentor and ask him guide me for 1 year? Then after 3 years, I simply contact BEM for sitting PAE?
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Hope you get your answer in your choice, becoming PE is a good career choice.
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post Dec 17 2024, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 17 2024, 08:41 PM)
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The case you're showing seems to only involve damages being awarded to the plaintiffs. I am looking for a case where there was an engineering design failure, not due to a natural disaster like a landslide, but due to an actual engineering design flaw that led to death. Even in the Port Klang Bridge collapse in 1994, not one engineer received a jail term, despite at least 20 deaths being recorded.
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post Dec 18 2024, 05:38 AM

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QUOTE(modlingguntio @ Dec 17 2024, 08:29 PM)
Mind to share how much you earn monthly?
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i am now retired. My last salary was Rm40k p month.
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post Dec 18 2024, 06:58 AM

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if bulat 1 got value. the hexagon donno got value or not

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