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https://soyacincau.com/2023/03/03/fahmi-bro...access-pricing/ - 2023/03/03 - fahmi-broadband-services-will-be-cheaper-with-updated-mandatory-standard-on-access-pricing
... At the moment, DNB’s published Reference Access Offer (RAO) for 5G access pricing starts from RM30,000 per Gbps per month that’s locked to a 10-year contract duration. DNB has said it is open to conduct a price review every 18 months either via an independent party or through the MSAP. ....
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Afaik, DNB has only a total bandwidth capacity of 5.6Gbps per 5G cell tower for it's longer range and more usable 700Hz and 3.5GHz frequencies, to be sold to the few celcos, eg TM Unifi Mobile, Maxis, CelcomDigi, U Mobile and YES.

If a celco is paying DNB RM30,000 per month for 1Gbps for 5G access, it's cost is RM50 per 5G subscriber if it signs up 600 subscribers per 5G cell tower, ie RM30,000/600 = RM50. If out of the 600 subscribers, there are 400 active ones, eg during peak periods in urban areas, each active 5G subscriber can only get 2.5Mbps, ie 1,000Mbps/400 = 2.5Mbps.

So, consumers can expect more expensive 5G subscription plans and more traffic congestion, compared to the previous 4G subscription plans.

Short-range 5G smallcells on the 28GHz frequency are unreachable/unusable for most subscribers, ie the smallcells are concentrated in city centers and high-foot traffic areas like shopping malls and stadiums.
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Fiber Internet Retailers like Maxis Fiber are very much at a disadvantage against TM Unifi Fiber because if the former oversell their subscriptions, subscribers will get very low Internet speeds during peak periods, even though they are paying for high speeds like 500Mbps.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 23 2023, 05:58 PM

The 'true' cost of 5G.
Which is why the rollout is so slow.

is the trial period over d? currently on Celcom Mega plan still no extra charge to access 5g.

oh my god. 1000mbps divides among the users.. then whats the use of upgrading to 5G? might as well continue to use 4G?? something is wrong with this implementations and calculations. people adopt 5G is for its speed

TS calculation wrong. Literally in the same article:



Wholesale price supposed to be 500+ for 100mbps but why we only pay 100 for 100mbps? Because not everyone gonna max out bandwidth every single second.

"Celcom is offering 5G for all new and existing eligible Celcom postpaid customers to experience ultra-fast speed with 5G connectivity. This free 5G access is a limited-time promotion, starting from 1 November 22 until 30 April 2023."

Basically we are doom...
No wonder it's slow deployment & some Telco don't want get involved

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Afaik, the above quote says: ... if Maxis Fiber has bought 100Gbps of Fiber Internet capacity from TM HSBB Fiber Wholesale for RM254,636 per month but if it oversells to 5,000 Fiber Internet subscribers in the whole of Semenanjung, that means it's base cost is about RM51 per month per subscriber (RM254,636/5,000) but if there are 4,000 active Fiber Internet subscribers, each active subscriber will only get average 25Mbps (100,000Mbps/4,000), especially during peak periods, not the subscribed 500Mbps Fiber plan that is on offer.

As we know, most celcos and telcos tend to oversell subscriptions to maximize profits at the expense of consumers, eg subscribers often get slow Internet speed during peak periods and in urban areas, even though they have paid for high or uncap Internet speeds.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 6 2023, 06:19 PM

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Problem is, the celcos are phasing out 4G phone plans, ie new subscribers can only buy 5G phone plans even if they only use 4G phones.

Eg U Mobile has phased out 4G phone plans like prepaid GX38, postpaid GX68 and postpaid P99 = replaced by 5G phone plans like prepaid U40 and postpaid U98.
....... Since around Aug 2022, prepaid 4G phone plan subscribers had no choice but to subscribe to the new 5G phone plans. Whereas postpaid 4G phone plan subscribers could opt to not subscribe to the new 5G phone plans.

Wonder what the celcos will do if their new 5G phone postpaid plans receive lukewarm response, ie not many new customers.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 6 2023, 06:42 PM

DNB is forcing the MNOs to signup something they cannot control

Tat is y DNB is needed...
If the frequency assigned to diff operator...
U will see
200mbps shared by maxis 400 users
100mbps shared by celcomdigi 800 users
50mbps shared by umobile 500 users
650mbps shared by ytl 10 users

Sub 6ghz 5G is for ease 4g congestion

Real 5G use mmwave (28ghz) that implement at USA only as for now... Or got other countries?

Yea. They always tot the tower or the whole route must be cater for the plan they subscribe.. if so, the telco wont be survived even with the price in USD.

what phased out 4G plan ?
no choice ?
Umobile not agree with you

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Thank you for the correction.

So, only NEW prepaid subscribers had no choice, not old and existing 4G prepaid phone plan subscribers, eg from pre-Aug 2022.

Afaik, U Mobile does not offer any 4G phone prepaid plans at it's website anymore, since around Aug 2022, eg no more GX12, GX30 and GX38. .......
https://www.u.com.my/en/personal/mobile-pla...epaid/u-prepaid - u-prepaid
https://www.u.com.my/en/personal/mobile-pla...ekly-data-plans

Similarly for the postpaid 5G phone plans at U Mobile's website, ie no more GX50, GX68, P79, P99 and P139. Old and existing subscribers of GX50, GX68, P79, P99 and P139 could continue their subscription till today and in the future.
....... Similarly for the much better Legacy Digi Infinite 150 postpaid 4G phone plan from 2016, eg unlimited speed, FUP of 1TB and then throttled to 15Mbps, not throttled to 512kbps for the newer Digi Infinite 150 plan from last year.

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P S - Most prepaid subscribers often change celcos = get new prepaid subscriptions, esp when new cheaper offers from rival celcos arrive, eg the 4G Prepaid wars in June-July 2020 = GX38 vs HUP35 vs CUP35 vs DUP35 vs TM-UM RM35 Bebas Monthly.
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Not really, eg U Mobile has a total bandwidth capacity of 1.9Gbps per 4G cell tower to be shared by about 500 active subscribers during peak periods in urban areas, ie about 4Mbps per subscriber. Can get higher speeds during off-peak periods. Maxis has even more 4G bandwidth capacity.

So, afaik, if U Mobile also has the same number of 5G subscribers per 5G cell tower (for lowband-700MHz and midband-3.5GHz) as above, and "rented" only 1Gbps from DNB at RM30,000 per month per cell tower, it would be a worse 5G experience for it's subscribers.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 6 2023, 10:38 PM

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The above refers to Immobile Fixed Fiber Broadband/Internet, not mobile 5G/4G Internet or 5G/4G cell towers.
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TM owns the national HSBB Fiber network in Semenanjung. TM HSBB Wholesale sells Fiber access to other retailers like Maxis Fiber and Timedotcom (for condos), eg RM254k per month for a total capacity of 100Gbps.
....... So, TM Unifi Fiber has a bandwidth capacity of 10Gbps per fiber cable that usually connects to maximum of about 40 linked homes via the backlane. So, each of it's home subscriber has an average of about 250Mbps during peak periods when all 40 subscribers are active, ie 10,000Mbps/40 = 250Mbps. Hence TM Unifi Fiber offers home subscibers a speed-mixture from 30Mbps to 100Mbps to 500Mbps to 1Gbps since not all 40 subscribers would often be active at the same time.

Note that 4 out of the above 40 Home Fiber subscribers could be allocated by TM to Maxis Fiber and/or CelcomDigi Fiber.

When TM Unifi Fiber says "no more ports available" to new customers, it means all the 40 ports along a row of linked homes have been taken up. The new customer will have to wait quite long for an existing customer to "port-out" or cancel his/her Fiber subscription.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 7 2023, 10:28 AM

I mean... The speed will be reduced if allocate to each telco.
Can u imagine how fast is our 4G if only 3 operators share the spectrum?

Take a highway as example, three lanes highway is always ease the flow compared to 1 lane x 3 for specific users (one lane for odd car plate, one for even, one for bus and lorry)

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Afaik, the better solution to traffic congestion during peak hours in urban areas (= slow Internet speed) is for the celcos to build more 4G cell towers and/or to not oversell 4G subscriptions, and not to limit it to just 3 celcos/operators because each 4G cell tower can support a maximum of about 500 active subscribers. IOW, the more cell towers, the lesser sharing of the limited mobile bandwidth capacity for the same number of subscribers in a certain area; ... and one 4G cell tower should not be supporting 1,000 subscribers, either active or inactive.

4G cell towers have a nomal range of 1km and maximum range of 5km, depending on the 4G transceiver power level set by the celcos. In practice, 4G cell towers are placed closer apart in urban areas which have many more subscribers, eg 2km apart, ... and placed further apart in rural areas which have fewer subscribers, eg 10km apart (since max range is 5km).
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I think problem is not DNB but the fact DNB owns by MOF its largest shareholders … why MOF owns telco infra?

Telco states they okay to take up ownership of DNB, finance and manage by private sectors entirely.

Note that Khazanah owns Axiata (mother company to Celcom) and TM (mother company to Unifi Mobile)

Celcom and Unifi Mobile have stakes in DNB.


MOF owning DNB as well for 30%, so nett nett … MOF owns more than 50% of DNB.

Why waste public money on DNB?

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Afaik, the main motive for the government monopoly of DNB was to prevent duplication of 5G infrastructure by the many private celcos, eg 5G cell towers, as has happened for 2G/3G/4G, besides 5G wholesale price-control. This is similar to TM HSBB Fiber Wholesale to Maxis Fiber, Digi Fiber, Astro Fiber, Timedotcom, etc.

Basic essential utilities like supply of electricity, water and Internet should not be fully privatized, in order to prevent profit-gouging of consumers/users by private companies, eg Apple Inc and Microsoft Corp(= profit margin of >30%). In most countries, basic essential utilities are nationalized or government-controlled.
....... Unfortunately, in Malaysia, there is political cronyism, nepotism, racialism(= race-based policies), etc, which have increased prices and produced inefficiencies or low-productivity wrt such basic essential utilities.
....... This may be why the cost of broadband Internet in Malaysia is more expensive (US$) than Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan, HK, China, South Korea, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, etc. .......
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/count...kings?itemId=33 - Price Rankings by Country of Internet (60 Mbps or More, Unlimited Data, Cable/ADSL) (Utilities (Monthly))
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That is abit of contradiction there, you are saying monopoly is good to reduce the cost.

Malaysia fibre infra is partially monopolized by TM and that is the answer why our internet is expensive. Also reason why Celcom, Digi, Maxis fibre can only close to match Unifi but not lower as majority cost went to paying TM monopoly cost. Gov needs to forcibly force TM to reduce the cost before other providers can lower the cost for customers. Also note after more than 2 decades TM unable to fully cover Malaysia consumers for fibre service, some KV areas today still with no ports issue. This is due to monopoly.

TNB also one thing, there are still places in rural Malaysia without and with unstable electricity!

TM is the reference model why DNB shall not be created as another monopoly.

There need to be competition if not 6 also should be at least 2 for 5G to ensure check and balance.

With only DNB, they set the KPI, measure their own KPI, no matter how they perform they are #1 always the best. DNB states said got 40% coverage in KL, but merely 10% of time i saw my phone shows 5G. So is a fake and we have no second option to compare.

MCMC to audit DNB? Is funny cause MCMC cant even audit current telco and TM to delivery quality service, how MCMC can audit and control DNB?

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Latest Update:

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...or-the-industry - 2023/04/18 - second-5g-rollout- (.?) a-bonus-for-the-industry
... In 2022, DNB announced that the SWN model would cost telecommunication operators RM30,000 one gigabits per second (Gbps) per month on 5G leasing charges.

“Assuming a take-up rate of 1,000 Gbps, this would ultimately cost the telcos a whopping RM360mil a year to provide 5G to consumers.

“They also have to pay a fixed upfront fees regardless of how far the 5G population coverage progresses – a concern to the market as dividend payments might be significantly reduced given the additional costs,” said Kenanga Research. ....

https://soyacincau.com/2022/08/21/ytlc-ceo-...pct-nationwide/ - 2022/08/21 - ytlc-ceo-dnb-5g-malaysia-90-pct-kl-cyberjaya-putrajaya-coverage-30-pct-nationwide
... Wing said today they have 90% population coverage in Kuala Lumpur, Cyberjaya and Putrajaya. They have also gone outside of the Klang Valley with 5G services now available in Johor Bahru, Selangor, Perak and very soon they are moving up north to Penang. He also said the Minister has recently announced that 5G is available in Kelantan.

The CEO explained that DNB in 13 months’ time has built over a thousand 5G sites to get us where we are today with 30% 5G population coverage. ....

This likely means DNB is charging each celco RM30,000 per 1Gbps per month per 5G cell tower or RM360,000 per year ... or RM360mil per 1,000 5G cell towers, eg celcos which mostly service urban and suburban areas, ie neglect rural areas..

If each 5G cell tower services a maximum of 500 active subscribers simultaneously at any one time and it can be over-sold to 600 subscribers per cell tower, the celco's 5G cost per subscriber is RM50, ie RM30,000/600 and 2Mbps, ie 1,000Mbps/500.
....... The celco's 5G cost is excluding the cost of 5G backhaul connections to TM's HSBB or Fiber network, eg RM9 per 3Mbps per month.

If so, maybe a celco can reduce it's 5G cost by opting to pay less but giving poorer service to it's subsribers, eg pay RM15,000 per 500Mbps per month per 5G cell tower = 5G cost per subscriber will be RM25 but each subscriber will get only 1Mbps during peak traffic hours.

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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/301462/celcomdigi-5g-boosters/ - CelcomDigi Introduces 5G Boosters For Postpaid And Prepaid Users
5G will no longer be free for some on lower-tier plans.
BY IKMAL ROZLAN JUNE 2, 2023
... For postpaid customers, the price of 5G boosters depends on which plan you subscribe to. Those who are on a plan that costs above RM90 will have free access to 5G through their existing quota while those on plans below that threshold will have to fork out RM10 per month for access. The latter group will still have free 5G access until 30 June, a one-month extension of the previous deadline.

For users of plans above RM90 who need more data, the 5G booster costs RM10 per month for 20GB while those on cheaper plans need to pay RM20 per month for the same quota in addition to the RM10 for access. Until 30 September 2023, the booster will actually come with 30GB of data as an introductory promo.

Meanwhile, prepaid customers are being offered boosters with differing value depending on which network they use. Celcom Xpax users can purchase a one-day pass with 3GB of 5G data for RM3, a one-day pass with 10GB for RM6, and a seven-day pass with 20GB for RM12.

Oddly enough, Digi Prepaid NEXT customers are getting less for the same prices, with the brand offering a one-day pass with 2GB of 5G data for RM3, a one-day pass with 5GB for RM6, and a seven-day pass with 10GB for RM12. Similarly, the prepaid passes come with a 50% bonus quota from now until 30 September. ....

Looks like the celcos are beginning to nickel-and-dime subscribers with 5G access fees and 5G data caps, similar to the early 3G days at around mid-2010s when all phone 3G plans came with data caps and 1GB of 3G data cost about RM10, eg RM50 per month for 5GB of data.

So no wonder ....... https://www.lowyat.net/2023/301452/mcmc-5g-...-rate-malaysia/ - MCMC: 5G Adoption Rate In Malaysia Currently At Only 3.1%
The regulatory body's COO believes that this will improve once more coverage is provided and lower-priced 5G devices are introduced.
BY HEIRUL KAMEL JUNE 1, 2023

It may be a cost-effective idea for celco subscribers to keep 4G and forsake 5G, except for rich trendy hipsters, eg iPhone users.
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This is a celcom problem.

Same thing they did in 2014, charge for 4G access. I remember walking into maxis the day I received my first bill with the charge and switched to them.

Celcom charged for 4G but had barely any 4G that time.

Now dnb, not even their own network they still charging. And because Digi is one with them, Digi also follow.

I really hoped celcom would have followed DiGi’s principles and success, but sadly it is going the wrong way.

Right now the only mobile network in the country that seems to be good is umobile 😂😂😂

Cheap 5G with tethering, free roaming, 3G network still available at some places for calls

The dream 😂😂😂

yup
celcomdigi bhd problem
Another telcos dont charge extra ''connection fee" for 5G

Umobile dont turn off 3G network

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More likely, the root problem is the "high" 5G wholesale prices charged by DNB on the celcos, which costs are in turned passed on to their subscribers.

It's no wonder that (afaik) Maxis declined DNB's free 3-month offer to test or trial 5G on it's network before committing to paying DNB the huge 5G wholesale prices; ... whereas Celcom is a subsidiary of TM = GLCs = DNB = CelcomDigi has likely already paid DNB.
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An Update:

https://soyacincau.com/2023/05/03/malaysia-...ation-coverage/ - 2023/05/03 - malaysia-to-transition-to-dual-wholesale-network-in-2024-after-dnb-hits- 80% -5g-population-coverage

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...-with-dnb/67489 - 2023/05/03 - fahmi-malaysia-to-roll-out-dual-5g-model-after-hitting-80pc-coverage-with-dnb
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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...ch-say-analysts - 2023/05/07 - year-end-80% -5g-population-coverage-target-within-reach-say-analysts
.... University Teknologi Malaysia engineering faculty senior lecturer Prof Dr Tharek Abdul Rahman said the 5G rollout in the country has reached 57.8% so far while the nation’s 4G network coverage encompasses 96.92% of populated areas as of March this year. ...
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Presently, DNB1 has 5.6Gbps capacity for it's 700MHz and 3.5GHz 5G frequency bands which it sells wholesale to celcos. DNB2 should also likely be allotted the same capacity by the government in 2024.

In 2024, celcos will have the option to buy wholesale 5G capacity from either DNB1 (= set-up and owned by the government) or DNB2 (= set-up and owned by a celco-consortium). GLCs like TM Unifi Mobile and Celcom-Digi will likely continue to buy from DNB1 whereas non-GLCs like Maxis and U Mobile will likely buy from DNB2.

Afaik, for celco subscribers, DNB2 should be more efficient and cheaper than DNB1, eg Huawei > Ericsson wrt 5G equipment; private company > government wrt business efficiency, productivity, expertise, professionalism, customer service, etc.

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Personally, I'll wait until mid or end-2024 before upgrading my 4G devices to 5G and choosing the celco.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 9 2023, 12:43 PM

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Update and price confirmation; .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...provided-by-dnb - 2023/07/14 - maxis-to-execute-access-agreement-on-5g-products-services-provided-by-dnb
... The Access Agreement is expected to be executed by Maxis Broadband after Maxis has obtained the approval of its shareholders at the extraordinary general meeting to be convened, expected in the third quarter of 2023.

Maxis Group is expected to incur operating expenses of approximately RM360 million per annum for the National 5G Wholesale Network Product.
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So, it's quite confirmed that DNB is charging celcos the wholesale price of RM30,000 per month per 1Gbps per cell tower. Up to May 2023 DNB has 60% 5G population coverage by setting up 1,000 cell towers mostly in urban areas, as per my previous post on this thread.

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Maxis will likely be involved in the privatized DNB2 which will be setting up it's own 5G network in early 2024, likely using much cheaper Huawei equipment for it's 5G cell towers. If so, Maxis will pay a much cheaper wholesale price to DNB2 in mid-2024, eg RM200 million per annum per 1Gbps per 1,000 cell tower.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 15 2023, 01:59 PM

see if M disclose they rent how many Gbps from DNB and we can estimate the cost from there...
if price is still at 30K per Gbps, likely Maxis only rent 1000Gbps...


keep delay end up also need to join and pay, so what's the point?

they should know gov also invest a lot on DNB and even it was a wrong direction, it is impossible to shutdown DNB completely, gov will maintain it for a period of time...

and I don't understand why it needs shareholders to agree to join DNB network.... it is not to appoint CEO CFO or what.. hope someone can explain ... it seems other Telco like Digi or Celcom does not have such thing..

so when M choose which partner to deploy 6G a few years later, will it need to ask shareholder agree again?

This post has been edited by mlamlam: Jul 16 2023, 12:44 AM

Because signing DNB is considered huge disadvantage/bad decision to company so their board of directors do not want to take the responsibility for the decision… therefore EGM is to get shareholders to decide instead.

Anyone noticed that after 5G was introduced, your 4G performance starts to deteriorate??? Exactly as whence LTE was introduced, my 3G speed suddenly like get nerfed 😤

Borrowing a playbook from Apple??? 🤔

nope
still the same speed before and after 5G
DNB using own fiber backhaul and different b28 n78 spectrum unused by telcos

You with which Telco??? 🤔




This post has been edited by tgeoklin: Jul 16 2023, 09:04 AM

My 4G (celcom) still same. Not getting any faster or slower.

Using the same phone??? 🤔

look at your signal strength
week signal, normally in the middle of between tower coverage
either phone keep changing LTE band or changing tower
this nothing to do with 5G DNB

This post has been edited by JLA: Jul 16 2023, 11:11 AM

Celcom, same location outside my house ...... And yes, nothing to do with 5G as my 5G super kau speed fyi 😑 ........ btw, signal strength is full bar, what you seeing is currently inside house using WiFi, results from history fyi



This post has been edited by tgeoklin: Jul 16 2023, 12:25 PM

this is why i will never sign unifi home broadband .. Instead, maxis is my preferred home broadband provider

Very sick of TM's unethical business modal

If you are a married man, and wanted to buy a car you like, but you need to discuss your intention with your wife..

It is same logic apply at Maxis too

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Mobile 4G/5G Internet has limited bandwidth capacity and high urban subscriber density per cell tower = is often subjected to traffic congestion during peak hours, especially in urban areas, ... unlike Fixed/Immoblie TM Unifi Fiber Internet. Eg each cell tower has to serve a maximum of about 500 active subscribers at any one time whereas each fiber cable has to serve a maximum of only about 50 active subscribers in linked-homes or shops or condos at any one time.

Afaik, DNB1 has a total of 5.6Gbps bandwidth capacity per cell tower for it's 5G bands of 700MHz and 3.5GHz, to be wholesale to the 5 celcos. DNB2 should have about the same 5G bandwidth capacity per cell tower in mid 2024.
....... DNB1's high bandwidth capacity of >10Gbps per small-cell for it's 5G mmWave Band of 28GHz can be ignored because of it's very short range of about 50m, whose small-cells are only deployed in downtown city centers and high foot traffic areas like MRT main stations, shopping malls, stadiums and concert halls.

For 4G, each celco has about 2Gbps of bandwidth capacity per cell tower = totalling about 10Gbps of bandwidth capacity (= 5 celcos) for Bands 800MHz to 2600MHz.

So, from a mobile subscriber's perpective, by mid 2024 when DWN (= DNB1 and DNB2) is in operation, 50% of subscribers should remain on 4G and 50% of them should be on 5G, in order to minimize traffic congestion during peak hours, esp in urban areas. Note that subscribers can opt to use 4G even if they are on a 5G mobile plan.
....... Of course, this scenario is subject to the government not phasing out 4G, which may happen if >80% of subscribers are on 5G in 2025 = often causing traffic congestion during peak hours..
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 16 2023, 01:15 PM

Yup... on my nearly 2 years old Zenfone 8.

Used to switch on 5G, but 5G kills the battery like no tomorrow. Sticking to 4G for now. More than enough for my usage pattern.

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Well, during the 3G and early 4G era, Maxis and other celcos were profit-gouging the subscribers by selling 1GB of Internet data for RM10, eg a 3G mobile phone plan with 5GB of data quota but unlimited speed cost RM50 per month in 2014. Things only got better with lower prices in 2018 when newcomer upstart U Mobile from Singapore started offering affordable GX30 and GX50 phone plans with "unlimited" data but limited speed.

To me, Internet is now a basic essential utility like electricity and water supply = so, Internet network access should be nationalized or government-controlled, not privatized, for better consumer protection, even if it is more costly because of bad politics, inefficiencies, etc. Do we also want to privatize the Police and Armed Forces.?
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Not saying that DNB is bad but that my existing Telco is trying to force us to migrate to 5G to defray their cost of subscribing to DNB 😤

One easy way is obviously crippled LTE which is provided without value added charges as opposed to 5G, which mostly required additional cost 😡

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https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2023/07/17...rk-integration/ - 2023/07/17 - celcomdigi-huawei-zte-partner-to-hype-up-network-integration
.... This new network is designed to be able to potentially transition seamlessly into a new 5G network with an 18,000-site reach – the right infrastructure to usher Malaysia into the era of ultra-high speeds, low latency, and the opportunities of a more connected future. This is a significant development for CelcomDigi and the industry, and we are excited to be leading the way – now with strategic partners Huawei and ZTE – to realise the potential of our shared digital future,” Datuk Idham added. ...
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https://www.digital-nasional.com.my/four-ma...uity-stakes-dnb - Four major telcos take up equity stakes in DNB - 7 Oct 2022
.... DNB said Celcom Axiata has taken up 12.5% in stakes, followed by Digi Telecommunications (12.5%), YTL Communications (20%), and TM (20%). ...

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/666461 - TM joins CelcomDigi to withdraw equity participation in DNB - 10 May 2023

Looks like even the GLC Celcom-Digi and TM will be abandoning DNB1 and moving to DNB2 in early or mid 2024 because of the very high wholesale prices charged by DNB1, ie can cost a celco RM360 million per annum for access to just 1Gbps of bandwidth capacity and 1,000 5G cell towers, mostly in urban areas.
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DNB1 has a total 5.6Gbps bandwidth capacity per 5G cell tower for it's long range 700MHz and 3.5GHz frequency Bands to be wholesale to celcos. Problem is, how much bandwidth capacity or frequency bands will the government sell to DNB2.? Jialat if DNB2 gets only 3Gbps = only 2 celcos can buy wholesale, ie 1.5Gbps each.

Note that for 4G, each of the 5 major celcos has about 2Gbps of total bandwidth capacity for it's long range 800MHz to 2600MHz frequency bands = total for the 5 celcos is about 10Gbps to be sold to subscribers.
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Last known wholesale price was RM 30000 per Gbps per month, will result into RM 360K per Gbps per year, RM360millions means 1000 Gbps and I don't see where it means per 1000 cell site as well....

DNB1 will be as a private company as well after reach 80% of coverage, the most valuable thing is its 700Mhz frequency band (20Mhz x 2) and also 3.5Gbps frequency band (200Mhz).. i don't think any telco will abandon it unless the price going to sell to telco is very expensive.

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Not even TM Fiber Wholesale can offer 1,000Gbps of bandwidth capacity to TM Unifi Fiber, Maxis Fiber, Celcom Fiber, Astro Fiber and Time dotcom. Each TM Fiber-optic cable has 10Gbps bandwidth capacity, .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10G-PON
10G-PON (also known as XG-PON or G.987) is a 2010 computer networking standard for data links, capable of delivering shared Internet access rates up to 10 Gbit/s (gigabits per second) over existing dark fiber. ...

So, it's quite impossible for a 5G or 4G cell tower to have a bandwidth capacity of 1,000Gbps.
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As of May 2023, DNB1 has set up 1,000 5G cell towers which covers 60% of the population of Malaysia (not area), mostly in the main cities and urban areas. That RM360 million per annum 5G cost is based on these figures. It's quite likely the celcos can choose to buy access to 500 or 1,000 or 1,500 or 2,000 5G cell towers from DNB1 and pay accordingly.

Note that Celcom-Digi has 18,000 4G and 2G cell towers, covering maybe 80% of Malaysia's areas, including many rural areas and kampungs.
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It is not saying per cell site has 1000Gbps

It is saying the connection between DNB and the telco has 1000Gbps.



from the image below, i remembered DNB has more than 1000 cell tower but many of them are not yet enabled.



another news already confirmed that DNB rolled out 1915 sites already.

https://soyacincau.com/2023/01/04/fahmi-fad...t-verification/

assuming all cell site full load, DNB has the capacity of 10,724Gbps..

It is reasonable for each telco renting 1000-3000Gbps for their needs, and probably minimum order is 1000Gbps, thats why M is paying the minimum order.

DNB isn't a telco to begin with.. That's why they dony understand how a telco works

and also thats why, a few years already only deploy so less tower...

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Fyi, .......


- post #1

Maybe TM Fiber Wholesale can offer up to 500Gbps by laying 50 Fiber-optic cables for places like huge shopping malls/complexes and skyscraper office buildings.




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Now I'm not really sure how DNB1 charges the celcos it's wholesale prices.

Guessing; ... Maxis Fiber Home charges subscribers RM129 per month for 100Mbps and Maxis pays TM Fiber Wholesale RM254 per month for 100Mbps. It's likely that at this wholesale price, Maxis Fiber has to over-sell it's 100Mbps plan to 4 subscribers living in the same row of linked-homes, in order to turn a profit, ie 4 X RM129 = RM516 - RM254 = RM272 - some costs = about RM150 profit per month. During peak period when all 4 home subscribers are online, each can only get 25Mbps, ie 100Mbps/4.

For DNB1's wholesale prices to celcos and for 5G subscribers, the principle should be about the same.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 18 2023, 07:26 PM

Yes, you are correct

like Local ISP rent bandwidth from the service provider of having submarine fiber cable...

you are assuming all 4 family are doing speed test at the same time, then in such scenarios each family probably only get 25Mbps

but I think there may be a peak usage or special conditions like Azure,
in Azure you can dynamically assign the resources base on your load so that your service won't be affected. the charges are also dynamic and calculated at a later stage, of course there is a limit can set, like maximum load is 200% of the original (for example), this kind of things may also implemented between the TM and other Telco.

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Latest Update: .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...on-in-5g-agency - Malaysia telecoms firms reach agreement on equity participation in 5G agency - 21 July 2023
KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia said on Friday telecommunications firms CelcomDigi, Maxis, Telekom Malaysia, U Mobile and YTL Communications will take up stakes in state 5G agency Digital Nasional Berhad (DNB), following an agreement reached between the firms and the government on equity participation and 5G access.

The announcement comes as mobile operators and the government look set to conclude protracted negotiations over Malaysia's 5G rollout plans.

Malaysia had in 2021 announced that state-owned DNB would own the full 5G spectrum, with carriers using the infrastructure to provide mobile services. But the plan was met with industry concern over pricing, transparency and monopolistic practices.

Mobile operators agreed in October last year to take up 70% of DNB's stake to resolve the impasse.

However, the deal lapsed after Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim's administration - which took power after an election in November last year - announced a review of the government's 5G plans.

In May, the government said it would allow in a second 5G operator next year when DNB's coverage reaches 80% of populated areas.

On Friday, the communications ministry said in a statement the telecoms firms will take appropriate governance actions to complete the shareholding process in DNB.

It did not however provide details on the division in equity or the value of the deal.

Last week, Maxis Berhad agreed to sign a deal to access DNB's network, the last major carrier to do so. Other carriers had signed the deal last year, paving the way for 5G services to be rolled out to customers. - Reuters
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So in the end, all the drama, DNB is still the only provider. Monopoly wins.

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Not really. Celcom-Digi and TM Unifi Mobile are GLCs. So, DNB1 will still remain government-controlled = more poltically influenced, more inefficient, less productive, less tech know-hows, higher wholesale 5G prices, etc - similar to TM Fiber HSBB and Tenaga Naional.
....... DNB2 whose separate 5G network will launch in early 2024 will likely be privately-owned by the non-GLC celcos, eg Maxis, U Mobile and YES.

DNB1 uses mostly Ericsson equipment to set up it's 5G network of cell towers whereas DNB2 will be using mostly much cheaper Huawei and ZTE equipment.
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Not for the news said though, all will go into DNB stakes

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Info from an old news article, .......

https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2022/08/31...ject-dnb-stake/ - 2022/08/31 - malaysia's-5G -plan-derailed- Maxis-and-U Mobile-reject- DNB -stake
.... Reuters said Maxis and U Mobile counter proposed for an equal share of the 70% equity in DNB to share between the 6 telcos but this was apparently rejected by the government. Both telcos found that being a minority shareholder was not beneficial and have stated that they will continue to discuss with DNB for 5G access. ...

It's possible that Maxis and U Mobile now have to invest a bit in a small stake in DNB1 so that their privately-owned DNB2 can take off smoothly in early 2024 with better government cooperation or less red-tape.
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Latest news; ...

https://soyacincau.com/2023/07/30/tm-releas...adband-pricing/ - TM -release-rao-2023-hsbb-pricing-msap-may-not-reduce-broadband-pricing
... According to TM’s new RAO, they have set tiered pricing and the wholesale charges is only cheaper with higher monthly volume. On the lowest tier of 0-499,999Mbps, TM is charging RM8 per Mbps/month versus RM2.55 per Mbps for the highest tier of 9,000,000Mbps and above. That means providers with low monthly volume (less than 500Gbps) would have to pay RM800 for 100Mbps, while providers that can commit to a minimum of 9Tbps per month will only need to pay RM255/month for 100Mbps. ....
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Wholesale pricing vs retail pricing

In case you’re wondering why the wholesale 100Mbps cost is higher than what retail customers are paying at the moment (e.g. 100Mbps for RM99/month or RM129/month), you’re not alone. Take note that broadband providers will only subscribe to the required HSBB wholesale bandwidth according to their average total utilisation. For example, if a provider has just ten 100Mbps customers, they will not subscribe 1Gbps bandwidth as not all customers will be fully utilising their bandwidth at all times. If the peak concurrent utilisation is only 300Mbps, they would only need 300Mbps with slightly more headroom as an extra buffer. .......

Since DNB1 and later DNB2 have to pay TM HSBB for backhaul Internet Fiber connections for it's 5G cell towers, the above wholesale pricing by TM HSBB may affect celcos and subscribers, ie DNB1 may lower it's own wholesale prices that it charges celcos, ie RM30,000 per month per 1Gbps presently.
....... Also, it's quite to be expected that DNB1 and DNB2 are or will be buying at least 9Tbps per month of total broadband capacity from TM HSBB Wholesale which is priced at RM255 per month per 100Mbps, since each celco has millions of subscribers nationwide.


For an example and calculation sake, the above news article says Maxis Fiber has 600,000 Fiber subscribers. Let's say Maxis Fiber buys all it's broadband capacity from TM HSBB Wholesale and it's subcribers have an average 100Mbps Fiber plan, Maxis Fiber will need to buy wholesale a broadband capacity of 20Tbps per month, ... ie 600,000 X 100Mbps divided by 3 = 20,000,000Mbps = 20Tbps, .... which is priced at RM255 per month for 100Mbps by TM HSBB Wholesale.

So, this means the new 2023 MSAP by MCMC/Fahmi and RAO by TM HSBB Wholesale of RM255 per month per 100Mbps will likely apply to most telco/celco ISP = it's likely that subscribers can expect lower/cheaper Fiber plans in Sep 2023 and maybe also for Mobile 4G/5G plans, esp when DNB2 comes into operation in mid-2024.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5396881/+40 - post #52

= TM HSBB Wholesale's RAO prices have been drastically reduced from 2020 to 2023 with the new MSAP 2023 announced by Fahmi/MCMC.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 31 2023, 07:52 PM

Latest news from TM HSBB about it's new RAO, .......

https://soyacincau.com/2023/07/31/tm-rao-hs...cing-msap-2023/ - Despite tiered pricing, TM says all fibre broadband players will enjoy lower HSBB wholesale price with latest RAO
BY Alexander Wong - 31 July 2023 - 11:41 am

Please also see the preceding post above.

So, Fiber subscribers can expect lower prices in Sep 2023 and maybe also for Mobile 4G/5G subscribers.
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This TM HSBB related to 5G backhaul? Thought only for those offering Home Fibre services like Unifi and Maxis Home Fibre …

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Yes, but maybe the wholesale prices charged by TM HSBB Wholesale is different for Fiber Internet ISP and Mobile 4G Internet ISP or/and DNB's Mobile 5G Internet, .......

https://www.telecomasia.net/content/tm-celc...-backhaul-deal/ - TM, Celcom and Digi ink wholesale backhaul deal
Fiona Chau
16 Dec 2013
Malaysia’s three major telcos, Telekom Malaysia ™, Celcom and Digi, signed a wholesale bandwidth deal to provide extensive backhaul infrastructure for broadband rollout in the country on Friday.
Under the agreement, TM will provide wholesale bandwidth connectivity via TM Next-Gen Backhaul services for aggregation and access sites jointly owned by Celcom (via subsidiary Celcom Networks) and DiGi, covering between 3,000-km and 5,000-km in Peninsular Malaysia. ...

The collaboration, he added, spans more than ten years and involves two phases.
“The first phase will be over a three year period starting from 2014 until 2016 followed by the second phase deployment of additional sites for mobile access and aggregator sites across Peninsular Malaysia,” Tan Sri Zamzamzairani said.
TM is expected to gain between 400 million ringgit ($123.7 million) and 600 million ringgit ($185.6 million) in lease fees over the next 10 to 15 years, Bernama quoted Tan Sri Zamzamzairani as saying.

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Afaik, Maxis has been paying TM HSBB Wholesale RM89 per 30Mbps (= RM9 per 3Mbps) for it's Fiber Internet backhaul connections for it's 4G cell towers. Hence most basic prepaid 4G phone plans from celcos start from RM30 @6Mbps @FUP monthly data limit
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UPDATE: .......

https://www.lowyat.net/2023/304508/fahmi-fa...rnet-september/ - Fahmi: Cheaper Internet Prices Are Definitely Coming In September
The price drop will be in line with the adoption of the MSAP.
BY JOHN LAW AUGUST 1, 2023
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Latest News Update: ...

https://soyacincau.com/2023/08/02/tm-higher...-mcmc-response/ - Can TM charge higher HSBB wholesale rates than MSAP? Here’s MCMC’s response
BY Alexander Wong - 2 August 2023 - 9:36 pm
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News Update: ...

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...september/83942 - 2023/08/07 - Fahmi: -govt-instructs-broadband-service-providers-to-reduce-internet-prices-by-september
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So, it's quite likely that Fiber Internet prices will come down in Sep 2023. Hopefully Mobile 4G/5G Internet prices will go down as well.
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telco tower fiber backhaul not using HSBB fiber network.
MSAP rates not relevant

You dont want during TM fiber cable cut, mobile phone 2G 4G 5G also down no service


TM fiber for Touch ‘n Go PayDirect and RFID payment not connected to HSBB fiber network too

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I don't think you are correct, .......

https://www.malaysianwireless.com/2015/05/u...ervices-4g-lte/ - U Mobile to use TM Next-Gen Backhaul services to accelerate 4G LTE rollout - 27/05/2015
Under this collaborative deal, TM will be providing fibre mobile backhaul connectivity via its TM Next-Gen Backhaul Services (NGBH) of up to 1Gbps per U Mobile base station that covers Central, Southern, Eastern and Northern regions of the country (except East Malaysia).

U Mobile will be deploying 1,000 4G LTE sites this year.

TM NGBH is a fiberised point-to-point backhaul connectivity network that is able to support 4G Long Term Evolution (LTE) rollout in providing high speed Internet experience, excellent voice and video quality through its high bandwidth capacity and reliable low latency. This collaboration will facilitate ramping up of U Mobile’s capacity, hence accelerating its 4G LTE rollout nationwide, it said.

TM said it is a neutral wholesale service provider and is committed to supporting the growth of telecommunications industry as well as is working hard towards delivering an enhanced service experience to end customers.

By leasing wholesale bandwidth services and leveraging on TM’s strength on its nationwide fibre coverage and resilient network platform, U Mobile said it will be able to gain quick access to fibre infrastructure to support its future network capacity demands, to deliver affordable and high-quality internet connectivity to more Malaysians. ...

Also, in the above disrupted TnG and RFID payment case at DUKE highway, DUKE's business subscription to TM Unifi Fiber is also via TM Unifi Fiber buying (in-house) from TM Fiber HSBB Wholesale but at very much discounted MSAP rates, ie compared to wholesale prices sold to Maxis Fiber and Time dotcom. Similarly for the backhaul 4G LTE-Fiber Internet connections for TM Unifi Mobile & Celcom-Digi vs U Mobile, YES and Maxis Mobile.
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NB - Both TM and Celcom are GLCs or state-owned businesses.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 11 2023, 02:30 PM

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Delayed Update: .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2...e-says-mcmc-coo - 2023/05/09 - dnb-to-be-taken-over-by-a-private-entity-after-achieving-80-5g-coverage-says-mcmc-coo
PETALING JAYA: Digital Nasional Berhad (DNB) will be taken over by a new entity following its scheduled achievement of 80% 5G coverage by end of this year, according to MCMC.

The Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission’s (MCMC) chief operating officer Datuk Mohd Ali Hanafiah Mohd Yunus confirmed in a Bernama TV interview that the government would be withdrawing its stake in DNB when the transition occurs.

The move would turn the government-owned 5G wholesale service network operator into a wholly private company under the new entity.

He further stated that two entities would be formed – one to take over DNB operations, and another to take charge of the country’s second 5G network planned to be established after DNB achieves 80% 5G coverage.

This comes after Communications and Digital Minister Fahmi Fadzil announced that the country would be shifting to a dual network model last week.

Fahmi also said the shift would allow for services to be provided at affordable rates, increase network capacity and avoid having a single point of failure. ...
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Will the government be holding a controlling Golden Share in DNB1 after divesting it's stake in DNB to the celcos, eg as in TNB, TM, MAHB, MAS, POS M'sia, Felda FGV, MISC, PLUS, etc .?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Sep 8 2023, 05:02 PM

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Latest Update on DNB's 5G; .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2...e-you-on-5g-yet - Malaysia’s 5G mobile dilemma: Are you on 5G yet? - 16 Oct 2023
Communications and Digital Minister Fahmi Fadzil reported a digital gap, with only seven million out of the 45 million mobile users in the country having 5G-ready devices.

However, according to Fahmi, only about 2.49 million users have made the jump to 5G, highlighting a significant discrepancy between the number of Malaysians capable of utilising the network and the ones actually using it.

This comes despite the country’s achievement of 70.2% 5G coverage of populated areas (COPA).

For individuals like Nick Tan, a trade management specialist, the need to transition just seems unnecessary at this point in time. ...
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Sebab many people still hold on their lte devices obviously

Jump to 5g phone kena buat lah migration data, tukar bank settings, tukar this and that, maybe wait for suitable time to migrate lo

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DNB's 5G Wholesale Prices and TM HSBB's (Fiber) 2023 MSAP Wholesale Prices, as set by MCMC, have not translated to cheaper new phone plans or cheaper new base (100Mbps = no more 50Mbps) Fiber plans.
....... IOW, the telcos/celcos have maintained or increased their prices and instead compensate subscribers by giving them free speed upgrades or more data or more hotspot data = no choice of cheaper plans given, eg no UNI5G Postpaid 49 for RM49 per month for 60GB High speed 5G+4G, 10GB hotspot, etc, and no TM Unifi Home Fiber plan for RM69 per month at 50Mbps, unlimited data, etc. .......

https://www.lowyat.net/2023/312045/unifi-un...unlimited-data/ - Unifi Announces UNI5G Family Plans With Unlimited 5G Data
Only if you sign up before 31 January though. - 1 Dec 2021
.... Paying RM129 a month gets you 150GB of hotspot data and one free supplementary line. This goes up to 200GB with two supplementary lines for the UNI5G Postpaid Family 159, and 250GB with three free lines with UNI5G Postpaid Family 189.

It’s probably worth pointing out at this point a number of items on the fine print. To start, the unlimited data is locked to the principal lines, with each supplementary line only getting a 30GB monthly data allocation. The same goes to their hotspot data allocation, which is also limited to 30GB. ...

In addition to the family plans, Unifi has so updated its postpaid plans for individuals. To start, the UNI5G Postpaid 39 has its hotspot allocation bumped up to 30GB, the same as the regular mobile data quota that the plan affords subscribers.

Then there’s the UNI5G Postpaid 69, which will be replacing the old Postpaid 65 plan. For the extra RM4 a month, your hotspot allocation is bumped up to match the 60GB monthly data. You also get unlimited 5G data for two years, but only specifically for 5G, as data consumption via 4G will be counted towards the usual 60GB monthly limit.

Finally, there’s the UN5G Postpaid 99, which will take the place of the old Postpaid 89. Like with the family plans, you’ll have to sign up for this before 31 January to enjoy unlimited data. Do so after, and you’ll have a 100GB monthly data allocation instead. For what it’s worth, like the other plans, hotspot data allocation now matches the amount you would normally get per month. ...

https://soyacincau.com/2023/06/03/unifi-mob...g-5g-data-rm89/ - 2023/06/03 - unifi-mobile-uni5g-postpaid-89-unlimited-4g-5g-data-rm89, extra lines for RM39/month each
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