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post Mar 6 2023, 10:08 AM, updated 3y ago

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Hi mazda owners,

I am planning to buy mazda 6 and the sc told me that you need to change the gear box oil every 30 to 40k km due to our weather here when I ask about the lifetime atf for all the, new mazda skyactive car... But he advice to change outside coz the sc won't change for you and will void warranty. Can someone confirm this please? Please advice your experience with any new mazda sky active without changing your gear box/atf oil? How long you have drive and any issues?
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post Mar 6 2023, 10:44 AM

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Fresh fill from new, 80k km is ok.

Subsequently it's better to change at 40-60k km depending on your driving condition & pattern.

Nowadays, car brands are offering free maintenance, but they want to reduce such cost, they start promoting 20k service interval & so called 'lifetime' fluid.


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post Mar 6 2023, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Mar 6 2023, 10:44 AM)
Fresh fill from new, 80k km is ok.

Subsequently it's better to change at 40-60k km depending on your driving condition & pattern.

Nowadays, car brands are offering free maintenance, but they want to reduce such cost, they start promoting 20k service interval & so called 'lifetime' fluid.
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Thank you for the advice bro, any shop you can recommend in Selangor area bro? notworthy.gif

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post Mar 6 2023, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(protimer @ Mar 6 2023, 10:52 AM)
Thank you for the advice bro, any shop you can recommend in Selangor area bro?  notworthy.gif
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Vcarbon Auto Parts
EML Auto Garage
Endurance Power Centre

I only changed it once at 60k km at Vcarbon. I plan to do it at 60k km intervals.
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post Mar 6 2023, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Mar 6 2023, 08:10 PM)
Vcarbon Auto Parts
EML Auto Garage
Endurance Power Centre

I only changed it once at 60k km at Vcarbon. I plan to do it at 60k km intervals.
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All three highly recommended for mazda.
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TS, don't forget to change the ATF strainer as well, when changing ATF
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post Mar 6 2023, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Mar 6 2023, 08:10 PM)
Vcarbon Auto Parts
EML Auto Garage
Endurance Power Centre

I only changed it once at 60k km at Vcarbon. I plan to do it at 60k km intervals.
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Thank you so much bro for the info... Now I feel my worry is over and ready to get the new 2023 M6....
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post Mar 6 2023, 10:19 PM

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[quote=ze2,Mar 6 2023, 09:24 PM]
All three highly recommended for mazda.
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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Mar 6 2023, 09:44 PM)
TS, don't forget to change the ATF strainer as well, when changing ATF
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QUOTE(protimer @ Mar 6 2023, 10:08 AM)
Hi mazda owners,

I am planning to buy mazda 6 and the sc told me that you need to change the gear box oil every 30 to 40k km due to our weather here when I ask about the lifetime atf for all the, new mazda skyactive car... But he advice to change outside coz the sc won't change for you and will void warranty. Can someone confirm this please? Please advice your experience with any new mazda sky active without changing your gear box/atf oil? How long you have drive and any issues?
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Scroll thru NBR Tecnica fb page..they have pix of a failed gearbox coz of no change atf
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 6 2023, 10:54 PM)
Scroll thru NBR Tecnica fb page..they have pix of a failed gearbox coz of no change atf
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Yeah, even the sales person told me but their hands are tight because they have to follow the guideline provided by Mazda Japan.... I think Mazda Japan should seriously look into the weather and condition of different country and come up with a set of different policy with different weather and conditions. Anyway, I hope more Mazda owners can share their experience with their car with or without changing their ATF oil for me to learn based on your experience.
And thank you all for sharing the information. Some beautiful masterpiece of M6 picture I planning to take for all your eyes below. 🀀

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post Mar 7 2023, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(protimer @ Mar 6 2023, 11:08 AM)
Hi mazda owners,

I am planning to buy mazda 6 and the sc told me that you need to change the gear box oil every 30 to 40k km due to our weather here when I ask about the lifetime atf for all the, new mazda skyactive car... But he advice to change outside coz the sc won't change for you and will void warranty. Can someone confirm this please? Please advice your experience with any new mazda sky active without changing your gear box/atf oil? How long you have drive and any issues?
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BTW, it is true fact that if you change your ATF outside your gearbox warranty will be voided. You just pray either gearbox no issue during the 100k or 5 years warranty period.

The Mazda technician i knew feedback to me that ATF oil got different color for different batch Mazda, so if your outside mechanic is smart they will need to get the original same color ATF to prevent any suspicion during warranty claim.

If unlucky, you can either do full overhaul/service of the gearbox or get half-cut replacement from Japan (which i heard is hot cake in aftermarket nowadays, very fast sell out)

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post Mar 7 2023, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Mar 6 2023, 08:10 PM)
Vcarbon Auto Parts
EML Auto Garage
Endurance Power Centre

I only changed it once at 60k km at Vcarbon. I plan to do it at 60k km intervals.
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QUOTE(protimer @ Mar 6 2023, 10:18 PM)
Thank you so much bro for the info... Now I feel my worry is over and ready to get the new 2023 M6....
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I changed mine at Quick Save Auto Boutique at Subang. So far so good..I changed mine every 30k km mileage. Now my car is already at 80k km mileage. The first time I changed mine at 30k km it was so black...but the next 30k km is quite okay.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Mar 7 2023, 10:08 AM)
BTW, it is true fact that if you change your ATF outside your gearbox warranty will be voided. You just pray either gearbox no issue during the 100k or 5 years warranty period.

The Mazda technician i knew feedback to me that ATF oil got different color for different batch Mazda, so if your outside mechanic is smart they will need to get the original same color ATF to prevent any suspicion during warranty claim.

If unlucky, you can either do full overhaul/service of the gearbox or get half-cut replacement from Japan (which i heard is hot cake in aftermarket nowadays, very fast sell out)
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Thank you for the information bro.... I really which this M6 will be my last upgrade. So I planning to use it for long term and I really hope I will not have any problem with the gear box as I am willing to take risk and do the atf oil change during the warranty period. Worst case, have to spend couple of thousand more to do overhaul or get the half cut

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 7 2023, 10:29 AM)
I changed mine at Quick Save Auto Boutique at Subang. So far so good..I changed mine every 30k km mileage. Now my car is already at 80k km mileage. The first time I changed mine at 30k km it was so black...but the next 30k km is quite okay.
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Hi bro, glad to know all good for your car so far. I'm thinking to change every 40k or 50k... Honestly I feel funny when Mazda give life time warranty not to change the ATF oil..it doesn't make sense how you can use the same oil for 10 or 20 years down the road lolssssπŸ˜‚.... I feel they should remove the 5 years free service if they want to cut cost or include the ATF oil change but then increase their car price... Somehow, the buyers will still buy if they really love their product.
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QUOTE(protimer @ Mar 7 2023, 12:54 PM)
Hi bro, glad to know all good for your car so far. I'm thinking to change every 40k or 50k... Honestly I feel funny when Mazda give life time warranty not to change the ATF oil..it doesn't make sense how you can use the same oil for 10 or 20 years down the road lolssssπŸ˜‚.... I feel they should remove the 5 years free service if they want to cut cost or include the ATF oil change but then increase their car price... Somehow, the buyers will still buy if they really love their product.
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All car manufacturers also doing the same including BMW or Mercedes.. They say life time..ur gearbox die after 6 years also life time ma.. Gearbox life time not driver life time XD

So ya I don't believe the oil can last life time la. Any oil after so much friction and hot temperature sure will degrade la.
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 7 2023, 12:56 PM)
All car manufacturers also doing the same including BMW or Mercedes.. They say life time..ur gearbox die after 6 years also life time ma.. Gearbox life time not driver life time XD

So ya I don't believe the oil can last life time la. Any oil after so much friction and hot temperature sure will degrade la.
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Yupe true bro. Based on my understanding from the link below, what Mazda is trying to say is the ATF oil is lifetime warranty until the gearbox or major component problem. So, if I change the ATF regularly, then I can make the the lifespan for the gearbox longer rather than I never change the ATF oil and causing the lifespan of the gearbox shorter. Please correct me if I'm wrong to all Mazda sifus hereπŸ™

https://mazda.custhelp.com/app/answers/deta...-in-my-mazda%3F
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QUOTE(protimer @ Mar 7 2023, 01:16 PM)
Yupe true bro. Based on my understanding from the link below, what Mazda is trying to say is the ATF oil is lifetime warranty until the gearbox or major component problem. So, if I change the ATF regularly, then I can make the the lifespan for the gearbox longer rather than I never change the ATF oil and causing the lifespan of the gearbox shorter. Please correct me if I'm wrong to all Mazda sifus hereπŸ™

https://mazda.custhelp.com/app/answers/deta...-in-my-mazda%3F
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No sifu la just sharing. Up to each individual. Some might be afraid to void warranty so no right or wrong also.
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 7 2023, 01:24 PM)
No sifu la just sharing. Up to each individual. Some might be afraid to void warranty so no right or wrong also.
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post Mar 13 2023, 12:22 AM

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Mazda have 5 years warranty.

My advice is to change only after warranty. Do not give Mazda excuses to void your car's warranty. Even though it might not be gearbox related issue but they have the right to void the warranty as written in the terms.

Their gearbox are sealed in vacuum from factory. The claim no need to change for lifetime of the car. Some people argue 5 years and some says until the car die.

As for me, I have not changed the ATF for 5 years. Planning to get it changed after warranty which is coming soon.
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On ATF Lifetime thing, don't follow what SC practises or what the owners' manual says, including the European's.

As an owner with no abundunce of $$$, one should consider the physics/or chemistry of 'ATF Lifetime' and NOT the loyar burok aspect of fake Lifetime.
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QUOTE(abubin @ Mar 13 2023, 12:22 AM)
Mazda have 5 years warranty.

My advice is to change only after warranty. Do not give Mazda excuses to void your car's warranty. Even though it might not be gearbox related issue but they have the right to void the warranty as written in the terms.

Their gearbox are sealed in vacuum from factory. The claim no need to change for lifetime of the car. Some people argue 5 years and some says until the car die.

As for me, I have not changed the ATF for 5 years. Planning to get it changed after warranty which is coming soon.
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The issues under Bermaz, they put 100k km capped warranty mileage. Just change atf outside every 30k-40k km. The shop using a vacuum machine.
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QUOTE(abubin @ Mar 13 2023, 01:22 AM)
Mazda have 5 years warranty.

My advice is to change only after warranty. Do not give Mazda excuses to void your car's warranty. Even though it might not be gearbox related issue but they have the right to void the warranty as written in the terms.

Their gearbox are sealed in vacuum from factory. The claim no need to change for lifetime of the car. Some people argue 5 years and some says until the car die.

As for me, I have not changed the ATF for 5 years. Planning to get it changed after warranty which is coming soon.
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Sad to say, no, gearbox are not fully sealed. Even the most luxury/advance gearbox also got breathing hole or valves to ventilate the hot temperature pressure release from gearbox. So when you have breathing hole or valves this is not 100% sealed.

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Mar 13 2023, 12:23 PM)
The issues under Bermaz, they put 100k km capped warranty mileage. Just change atf outside every 30k-40k km. The shop using a vacuum machine.
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the 3 shops also used this vacuum machine thingy? if yes then can consider doing it.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 17 2023, 10:49 AM)
the 3 shops also used this vacuum machine thingy? if yes then can consider doing it.
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Most recent workshop i went already use vacuum machine, for old engine oil or atf suction. So recommended to perform atf using this way
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Mar 17 2023, 02:02 PM)
Most recent workshop i went already use vacuum machine, for old engine oil or atf suction. So recommended to perform atf using this way
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could you please share which one. we (or at least myself) won't know which workshop you went.
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TS which model year is your Mazda6? Haven’t seen any news about recent refreshes…
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Mar 17 2023, 03:02 PM)
Most recent workshop i went already use vacuum machine, for old engine oil or atf suction. So recommended to perform atf using this way
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Huh? Do you mean ATF oil change machine. That is long time technology, even 20 years back already got. The problem is if your ATF oil is too long time no change or very dirty and you use this machine it will cause your body valve & gearbox even faster to gg, the concept is forcing the old oil out from the gearbox and use the machine so call filter system to clean and provide fresh ATF oil in. Weakness - More ATF oil need to use & if your gearbox got a lot of sludge or metal debris hanging around the machine will only cause more harm if all those thing stuck at body valve or clog the filter inside.

The best way for gearbox oil change is open up the below oil pan, clean it, change the gearbox filter/strainer (if available) before replenish with new ATF oil. You will see a lot of metal debris hanging below the oil pan and attach on the magnet area, even you open the oil drain plug below all those metal debris wont be able to release out and just imagine using the oil change machine and the metal debris start moving around (not all will attach on the magnet).

My previous mechanic got this thingy at his shop and now just throw on the side. Until today only heard use in Ford or certain vehicle, but Mazda no need. You can just change using normal way. Plenty of youtube videos about changing ATF on skyactive gearbox. The traditional way is still more better, less risk & less ATF oil to use.


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My Mazda is approaching 9 years old now with original ATF.
After hearing all these, I will change the oil and filter soon.

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Mar 17 2023, 10:05 PM)
My Mazda is approaching 9 years old now with original ATF.
After hearing all these, I will change the oil and filter soon.
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Please so. Once the gb had issues, there's no turning back via atf change only
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QUOTE(Snoy @ Mar 17 2023, 10:05 PM)
My Mazda is approaching 9 years old now with original ATF.
After hearing all these, I will change the oil and filter soon.
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I think there is a procedure to change oil if you have not change it for a VERY long time. I think suppose to drain partial and fill it up as opposed to flushing entirely.
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QUOTE(tctham @ Mar 18 2023, 09:52 AM)
I think there is a procedure to change oil if you have not change it for a VERY long time. I think suppose to drain partial and fill it up as opposed to flushing entirely.
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If this happens usually already neglected for far too long. The ATF oil already thickens and the gearbox already suit with the thicker oil and if you change all the ATF oil in one time the body valve or TCU might not be able to direct adapt to the change of ATF oil will cause issues. Nowadays most modern gearbox already can reset this adaptation, thus why you will hear after oil change need to reset ECU/TCU on modern cars due to this reason.

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QUOTE(tctham @ Mar 18 2023, 08:52 AM)
I think there is a procedure to change oil if you have not change it for a VERY long time. I think suppose to drain partial and fill it up as opposed to flushing entirely.
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I came from CX5 FB group. There are owners who die2 believe the Bermaz/Mazda words that is atf seal for life. And they got issues gb broke right after 100k km, iinm the owner had gb problem at 120k km, another at 150k km, never had gb atf replace. They fight with Bermaz cz according to them, never missed any service at SC. Bermaz straight away covering their s by said no more warranty cz >100k km. And many others with ATF change (just regular atf change no fancy2 flushing etc), never had gb issues above 100k km, some already meet 200k km. So I will follow the 2nd group of people cz cars is non regular change items in my case, and I will superbly reluctant to spend thousands for gb replacement if it dead. Normal torque converter auto repair easily cost rm2.5k - 5k depending on model. 6 gear automatic is expansive.

And to my surprise, there are also cx5 owner who claim new gb under warranty cz their gb dead at 70k -80k, luckily still under warranty. According to them, never had atf change. Come join cx5 fb group

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Mar 18 2023, 12:02 PM)
I came from CX5 FB group. There are owners who die2 believe the Bermaz/Mazda words that is atf seal for life. And they got issues gb broke right after 100k km, iinm the owner had gb problem at 120k km, another at 150k km, never had gb atf replace. They fight with Bermaz cz according to them, never missed any service at SC. Bermaz straight away covering their s by said no more warranty cz >100k km. And many others with ATF change (just regular atf change no fancy2 flushing etc), never had gb issues above 100k km, some already meet 200k km. So I will follow the 2nd group of people cz cars is non regular change items in my case, and I will superbly reluctant to spend thousands for gb replacement if it dead. Normal torque converter auto repair easily cost rm2.5k - 5k depending on model. 6 gear automatic is expansive.

And to my surprise, there are also cx5 owner who claim new gb under warranty cz their gb dead at 70k -80k, luckily still under warranty. According to them, never had atf change. Come join cx5 fb group
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Yes i agree with changing. I don't believe lifetime. Their lifetime potentially jz 5 years. Like proton power window lifetime warranty is 10 years. Jz commenting for the person that never change for 9 years. Cause my mom unser never change atf for 12 yrs. Once change, then gg d. I don't think my mom should not change, i jz feel should change partially.

See you all dare to replace fully or not lo. For me i rather change little by little. I also planning to replace my mazda 6 atf after 30-40k outside. But see how first la. My car is weekend family car. Drive very little.

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If u follow manufacturer recommendation ie. lifetime or 100k km, ur gb don't kaput, the solenoids also kaput.

That's what happened to my brother's Forester, he changed the CVTF at 100k km as per recommendation. Then at 130k km, 6 error lights pop-up. Subaru SC scanned the fault code & recommend
1. try with another CVTF drain & fill - RM700
2. replace valvebody (Subaru do not sell the solenoids separately officially) - RM6000

Then we started doing research online. We saw some users mentioned the CVTF change should be done at 60k interval or 45k interval (frequent spirited driving), to reduce risk of failure of solenoids. So u see, the manufacturer recommendation was designed for ur gb to suffer some damage right after warranty period ended.


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QUOTE(scorgio @ Mar 18 2023, 10:31 PM)
If u follow manufacturer recommendation ie. lifetime or 100k km, ur gb don't kaput, the solenoids also kaput.

That's what happened to my brother's Forester, he changed the CVTF at 100k km as per recommendation. Then at 130k km, 6 error lights pop-up. Subaru SC scanned the fault code & recommend
1. try with another CVTF drain & fill - RM700
2. replace valvebody (Subaru do not sell the solenoids separately officially) - RM6000

Then we started doing research online. We saw some users mentioned the CVTF change should be done at 60k interval or 45k interval (frequent spirited driving), to reduce risk of failure of solenoids. So u see, the manufacturer recommendation was designed for ur gb to suffer some damage right after warranty period ended.
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Damn for the price of cvt gb. And the valvebody. Cvt once gone, just need to replace the whole basically, that incurred big cost
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What is the estimated cost of replacing atf and filter outside?

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Mar 19 2023, 09:39 AM)
What is the estimated cost of replacing atf and filter outside?
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Can get quotation from mazda workshop from FB.
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Mar 18 2023, 11:31 PM)
If u follow manufacturer recommendation ie. lifetime or 100k km, ur gb don't kaput, the solenoids also kaput.

That's what happened to my brother's Forester, he changed the CVTF at 100k km as per recommendation. Then at 130k km, 6 error lights pop-up. Subaru SC scanned the fault code & recommend
1. try with another CVTF drain & fill - RM700
2. replace valvebody (Subaru do not sell the solenoids separately officially) - RM6000

Then we started doing research online. We saw some users mentioned the CVTF change should be done at 60k interval or 45k interval (frequent spirited driving), to reduce risk of failure of solenoids. So u see, the manufacturer recommendation was designed for ur gb to suffer some damage right after warranty period ended.
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2. replace valvebody (Subaru do not sell the solenoids separately officially) - RM6000

FYI, solenoids usually are sold by aftermarket sellers.
These spares Subaru did not sell it officially as they prefer to sell the bigger piece (bodyvalve) due to higher profit and less headache/risk.

Simple google, shopee & even lazada also got seller selling it already and even Auto Sommet from KL (one of the Official seller of original Subaru parts) also got source, what you will need is to get a gearbox specialist to identify which solenoids is the culprit.
If you met the correct specialist/mechanic, you will save at least 50% from what official SC quoted. In Subaru Forester Malaysia Group some even DIY and share their stories in FB, the cost is just few hundred for the solenoid.. laugh.gif

BTW, already got plenty of bodyvalve recon & used gearbox in market (half-cut from Japan) for alternate lower cost options.

Now in group if spirited driver we encourage to change even earlier, even me myself change every 30k for CVT oil for my Xv (Now almost 195k still original gearbox) Besides that, the CVT filter/strainer is also an important part to take note. We noticed a lot of failure from previous owners reported after 150k due to not aware of this part importance to change or service it. Usually we recommend to change it around 100k for the CVT filter/strainer.

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Mar 20 2023, 09:18 AM)
2. replace valvebody (Subaru do not sell the solenoids separately officially) - RM6000

FYI, solenoids usually are sold by aftermarket sellers.
These spares Subaru did not sell it officially as they prefer to sell the bigger piece (bodyvalve) due to higher profit and less headache/risk.

Simple google, shopee & even lazada also got seller selling it already and even Auto Sommet from KL (one of the Official seller of original Subaru parts) also got source, what you will need is to get a gearbox specialist to identify which solenoids is the culprit.
If you met the correct specialist/mechanic, you will save at least 50% from what official SC quoted. In Subaru Forester Malaysia Group some even DIY and share their stories in FB, the cost is just few hundred for the solenoid..Β  laugh.gif

BTW, already got plenty of bodyvalve recon & used gearbox in market (half-cut from Japan) for alternate lower cost options.Β 

Now in group if spirited driver we encourage to change even earlier, even me myself change every 30k for CVT oil for my Xv (Now almost 195k still original gearbox) Besides that, the CVT filter/strainer is also an important part to take note. We noticed a lot of failure from previous owners reported after 150k due to not aware of this part importance to change or service it. Usually we recommend to change it around 100k for the CVT filter/strainer.
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Subaru owner also had plenty of cvt issues? What is the recommended from Subaru for cvt filter? Iinm mostly manufacturers not put it in for replacement at a shorter intervals and car owners just follow it. Or the CVT gb will getting issues once hit some high mileage?

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Subaru owner also had plenty of cvt issues? What is the recommended from Subaru for cvt filter? Iinm mostly manufacturers not put it in for replacement at a shorter intervals and car owners just follow it. Or the CVT gb will getting issues once hit some high mileage?
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Depending on ownership and driving behavior, if met the correct mechanic after 5th year or 100k warranty will recommend to change the CVT Strainer/Filter. Even the Subaru specialist SBR Technic recommend owners to change it early by 4th year 80k. If you change this early usually no issues, some of the owners already way over 200~300k with every 30~40k CVT oil change.

From my understanding official SC did not list this CVT strainer/filter to change during the 5 year or 100k service interval, mostly only by owner request after warranty finish. I did my change at 110k but from outside mechanic, nowadays got OEM Thailand/Taiwan CVT filter/strainer to choose in market.

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I was informed that for Mazda cars, the transmission oil pan is sealed with silicone instead of gasket.

The OEM transmission filter will come with gasket but genuine one does not.
Will the outside typical workshop apply new layer of silicone for installing genuine filter?
I asked some but they claim not needed.

I don't prefer OEM filter but it comes with gasket.
Anyone has experience?
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QUOTE(Snoy @ Mar 28 2023, 08:58 AM)
I was informed that for Mazda cars, the transmission oil pan is sealed with silicone instead of gasket.

The OEM transmission filter will come with gasket but genuine one does not.
Will the outside typical workshop apply new layer of silicone for installing genuine filter?
I asked some but they claim not needed.

I don't prefer OEM filter but it comes with gasket.
Anyone has experience?
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Specialist will seal it back with the silicone. The original silicone will be a different colour than the aftermarket ones.
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There is no such thing as lifetime oil.

If they say lifetime or 5 years it’s basically lifetime of the car

Similar to ford power shift dry clutch lifetime also but end up gearbox koyak Rabak

I change my dct oil every 60k km regardless what people say



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QUOTE(Snoy @ Mar 19 2023, 09:39 AM)
What is the estimated cost of replacing atf and filter outside?
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I usually only change the ATF but not the filter because it's a lot of work and SC might detect the changes. For ATF changes only it'll usually cost like 200-300.
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Mar 28 2023, 09:50 AM)
There is no such thing as lifetime oil.

If they say lifetime or 5 years it’s basically lifetime of the car

Similar to ford power shift dry clutch lifetime also but end up gearbox koyak Rabak

I change my dct oil every 60k km regardless what people say
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Mazda. ford, bmw zf, merz old model, Volvo old model, all advertised as a seal for life for ATF but all suffer from GB malfunction once hit high mileage. ZF even against bmw seal for life and ask to change the Atf per interval. Honda DCT dry clutch on hybrid, first dct oil change at 160k km, also got owner suffer from GB issue.

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This is the Mazda ATF oil picture taken today after 98k mileage in 9 years.

The mechanic shouted WTF immediately after the oil flowing out.

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Apr 1 2023, 02:43 PM)
This is the Mazda ATF oil picture taken today after 98k mileage in 9 years.

The mechanic shouted WTF immediately after the oil flowing out.

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That's why seal for life is scam by manufacturers. Oil have life.
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QUOTE(Snoy @ Apr 1 2023, 02:43 PM)
This is the Mazda ATF oil picture taken today after 98k mileage in 9 years.

The mechanic shouted WTF immediately after the oil flowing out.

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wadepak..luckily gearbox not jam. btw, why owner not change fast fast. I tot mazda warranty only 5 years. or owner still send to service centre and service centre not change until reach 100k km?

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QUOTE(DM52 @ Apr 2 2023, 08:31 AM)
wadepak..luckily gearbox not jam. btw, why owner not change fast fast. I tot mazda warranty only 5 years. or owner still send to service centre and service centre not change until reach 100k km?
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I’m the owner.
The latter is the reason. 100% service in Mazda SC.
No recommendations from the service schedule.
Anyway, I’m not alone.

Btw, no issue on gear shift earlier.
In fact, no noticeable difference before and after changing.

In oversea Mazda forum, many recommend changing ATF fluid at 60k miles which is about 96k km. In term of mileage, it’s not too late. However, considering the usage duration and Malaysia climate, better change earlier.

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QUOTE(DM52 @ Apr 2 2023, 08:31 AM)
wadepak..luckily gearbox not jam. btw, why owner not change fast fast. I tot mazda warranty only 5 years. or owner still send to service centre and service centre not change until reach 100k km?
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Mazda/Bermaz advertise their gb atf as seal for life. But capped the warranty to 100k km
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QUOTE(Snoy @ Apr 2 2023, 08:57 AM)
I’m the owner.
The latter is the reason. 100% service in Mazda SC.
No recommendations from the service schedule.
Anyway, I’m not alone.

Btw, no issue on gear shift earlier.
In fact, no noticeable difference before and after changing.

In oversea Mazda forum, many recommend changing ATF fluid at 60k miles which is about 96k km. In term of mileage, it’s not too late. However, considering the usage duration and Malaysia climate, better change earlier.
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Detected any anomaly after the ATF fluid change? Thinking of changing mine too, now at 95k km / 10yrs. Concern that GB might act up weird due to re-learning process etc.
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Tumpang ask, any idea how much it cost to change condenser for cx5? Was quoted rm880 for condenser itself and rm300 for labour, not yet include other aircond service cost, is the price reasonable?
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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Apr 4 2023, 11:01 PM)
Detected any anomaly after the ATF fluid change? Thinking of changing mine too, now at 95k km / 10yrs. Concern that GB might act up weird due to re-learning process etc.
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Believe it will do better after change the atf. Or best to flushing using machine for the atf so that it will change all atf inside to new. If u left without changing the atf, once it k.o, it will be a permanent damage
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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Apr 4 2023, 11:01 PM)
Detected any anomaly after the ATF fluid change? Thinking of changing mine too, now at 95k km / 10yrs. Concern that GB might act up weird due to re-learning process etc.
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4 days down the road, so far so good.
Btw, I was changing filter and atf fluid together.

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 2 2023, 03:57 PM)
Mazda/Bermaz advertise their gb atf as seal for life. But capped the warranty to 100k km
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I am surprised if they are not equipped with the skills of changing the ATF.

The way I see it is they like to harp on the ATF being sealed for life but they don't have the skills to change the fluid if the customer requesting for whatever reason.

I think they could earn some extra dough if they were to provide ATF fuild change, I am sure they will be up skill with the know how and proper procedure and sop to do so properly than outside pomen.

Eg like in proton they dont mind changing for you earlier if requested for as long you paying for it. Usually they ask why are you doing this but eventually they still change it for you.

Also, does this lifetime fluid also applicable to manual mazda?

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QUOTE(minizian @ Apr 5 2023, 12:10 PM)
I am surprised if they are not equipped with the skills of changing the ATF.

The way I see it is they like to harp on the ATF being sealed for life but they don't have the skills to change the fluid if the customer requesting for whatever reason.

I think they could earn some extra dough if they were to provide ATF fuild change, I am sure they will be up skill with the know how and proper procedure and sop to do so properly than outside pomen.

Eg like in proton they dont mind changing for you earlier  if requested for as long you paying for it. Usually they ask why are you doing this but eventually they still change it for you.

Also, does this lifetime fluid also applicable to manual mazda?
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They can change the ATF oil for you but warranty void for the gearbox. Already confirm with Mazda technician, if you insist to change it within 5 years or 100k they will ask you to sign a document mention that you knew about the warranty void. So better just go out.
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QUOTE(minizian @ Apr 5 2023, 11:10 AM)
I am surprised if they are not equipped with the skills of changing the ATF.

The way I see it is they like to harp on the ATF being sealed for life but they don't have the skills to change the fluid if the customer requesting for whatever reason.

I think they could earn some extra dough if they were to provide ATF fuild change, I am sure they will be up skill with the know how and proper procedure and sop to do so properly than outside pomen.

Eg like in proton they dont mind changing for you earlier  if requested for as long you paying for it. Usually they ask why are you doing this but eventually they still change it for you.

Also, does this lifetime fluid also applicable to manual mazda?
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 5 2023, 11:16 AM)
They can change the ATF oil for you but warranty void for the gearbox. Already confirm with Mazda technician, if you insist to change it within 5 years or 100k they will ask you to sign a document mention that you knew about the warranty void. So better just go out.
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Unless the warranty is 5 years unlimited mileage I will follow them. But atf have life. Solution to change it outside, definitely will not leaving any trace. A normal car gb, definitely will have fresher feeling once change the ATF.
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QUOTE(saintprayer @ Apr 5 2023, 08:38 AM)
Tumpang ask, any idea how much it cost to change condenser for cx5? Was quoted rm880 for condenser itself and rm300 for labour, not yet include other aircond service cost, is the price reasonable?
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If you cheapskate ask for local, Thailand or China made condenser. So many aftermarket stuff nowadays just you want take risk of the quality. Some of them may offer 1 year warranty, so would be better to get 1 with it.

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 5 2023, 11:27 AM)
If you cheapskate ask for local, Thailand or China made condenser. So many aftermarket stuff nowadays just you want take risk of the quality. Some of them may offer 1 year warranty, so would be better to get 1 with it.
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Bro, your view for oem engine mounting vs original. Price almost 1/3 original price. If it Honda, many oem made in Thai. Ok or just meh?
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 5 2023, 12:43 PM)
Bro, your view for oem engine mounting vs original. Price almost 1/3 original price. If it Honda, many oem made in Thai. Ok or just meh?
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You got 1/3 from original price, so dont expect so high. If lifespan last more than half from your current original part consider worth or cover the savings already.
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4 days down the road, so far so good.
Btw, I was changing filter and atf fluid together.
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May I know where did u change the atf + filter? How much was the bill?
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May I know where did u change the atf + filter? How much was the bill?
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Puchong.
Parts cost was about RM370.
Labour cost was RM150.

 

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