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TSSammy6
post Feb 9 2023, 10:22 PM, updated 3y ago

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What's a good > 250cc scooter.
Recently just gotten my B full license and is surveying for >250cc scooter.

Currently what caught my eyes in terms of appearance is XMAX 250 but sadly only 250cc.
XADV out of budget sad.gif
Burgman looks weird sweat.gif
I sat on a SYM Maxsym TL500 last week. Not bad for its specs and size, but I worry about SYM reliability.

come share with me whats good on the market.

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Vespa GTS 300 but cruising speed seems lacking compared to XMAX and seen review mention that the handlebar wobbles alot.

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post Feb 9 2023, 10:41 PM

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X-ADV still my moto idaman

one day maybe, one day...
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post Feb 9 2023, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Sammy6 @ Feb 9 2023, 10:22 PM)
What's a good > 250cc scooter.
Recently just gotten my B full license and is surveying for >250cc scooter.

Currently what caught my eyes in terms of appearance is XMAX 250 but sadly only 250cc.
XADV out of budget sad.gif
Burgman looks weird  sweat.gif
I sat on a SYM Maxsym TL500 last week. Not bad for its specs and size, but I worry about SYM reliability.

come share with me whats good on the market.
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Since you didn't specify mention new scoot or 2nd hand...

1. Yamaha T-MAX DX 530(2nd Hand)
2. BMW C400 GT/X (New)
3. BMW C650 Sport/GT (2nd Hand)
4. Aprilia SRV 850 (2nd Hand)
5. Aprillia SRV 300 (2nd Hand)
6. Vespa GTS 300 (new)
7. Honda Integra 700 (2nd Hand)

For SYM.. its not the scoot or the design issue, but the MForce Malaysia manufacturing QC is questionable.. if you choose the TL then be prepared to do DIY for maintenance, not counting on MForce distributor.

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post Feb 11 2023, 07:03 PM

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I would add -

Honda Forza 300 (used 279cc) and Kawasaki J300 (used 299cc)
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post Feb 11 2023, 10:04 PM

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OP do consider that a scooter uses significantly more fuel than a manual gearbox motorcycle

Speaking from experience after I had to rent a 125cc

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post Feb 15 2023, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(iambryan1234 @ Feb 11 2023, 10:04 PM)
OP do consider that a scooter uses significantly more fuel than a manual gearbox motorcycle

Speaking from experience after I had to rent a 125cc
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Fully auto mah, what do you expect? For engine displacement disparity, expect a modest 20%-30% less acceleration and top speed when compared to a fully manual counterpart with the same cc.
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post Feb 15 2023, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Feb 9 2023, 11:07 PM)

For SYM.. its not the scoot or the design issue, but the MForce Malaysia manufacturing QC is questionable.. if you choose the TL then be prepared to do DIY for maintenance, not counting on MForce distributor.
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I heard from friends that SYM TL500 has same engine as Yamaha. And same CVT build dont know how true it is but it seems reliable.
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post Feb 16 2023, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(sinbaron @ Feb 15 2023, 10:45 PM)
I heard from friends that SYM TL500 has same engine as Yamaha. And same CVT build dont know how true it is but it seems reliable.
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Its a copy of 1st generation TMAX 500, down to the chassis.

Some parts is interchangeable with Yamaha TMAX.

1. Air Filter, Yamaha TMAX 500
2. CVT Filters, Yamaha TMAX 530
3. CVT Belt, Yamaha TMAX DX 530
4. Weight Roller, Yamaha TMAX 530
5. CVT Contra Spring, Yamaha TMAX 530
6. Oil Filter, if want cheap use equivalent for Mazda car, 30RM.

Note: some CVT performance parts from Malossi/JCosta/Polini for TMAX can fit into the TL500

Bear in mind, even though its a scooter, maintenance is like a big bike. So be prepared to do normal oil change will cost you around 250rm++ per 5k km and that major service every 20k km will cost around 1300 to 1500 rm since you need to change belt and rollers.

rest assured, its same price to maintain other 2 cylinders maxi scoot with similar configuration like TMAX, BMW C650 series and Aprilla SRV 850
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post Feb 16 2023, 10:38 PM

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Current version Honda Forza 250 then go do simple change to 350cc for less than RM5k.. with ori Honda parts reverting the Msia only 250cc to global standard 350cc 😬 .. let's not discuss legality here... 😬

Or wait for the rumored in coming ADV350
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post Feb 16 2023, 10:40 PM

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Is Honda Goldwing 1800 considered scooter?

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post Feb 17 2023, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Feb 16 2023, 10:40 PM)
Is Honda Goldwing 1800 considered scooter?

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Nope
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post Feb 17 2023, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Feb 16 2023, 10:40 PM)
Is Honda Goldwing 1800 considered scooter?

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Honda Pacific Coast was considered as a scooter.
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post Feb 17 2023, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Feb 16 2023, 10:38 PM)
Current version Honda Forza 250 then go do simple change to 350cc for less than RM5k..  with ori Honda parts reverting the Msia only 250cc to global standard 350cc 😬 .. let's not discuss legality here... 😬

Or wait for the rumored in coming ADV350
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Any news about ADV350?
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post Feb 17 2023, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(lawrencehl @ Feb 17 2023, 04:51 PM)
Any news about ADV350?
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Many people start talking liao (from dealers) say this year sure come in lah 350 just dunno when..

So remains rumor biggrin.gif

Forza I booked since April 2022 bayang still don't have.

Told big wing it's ok wait for ADV350 biggrin.gif
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post Feb 17 2023, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Feb 16 2023, 10:40 PM)
Is Honda Goldwing 1800 considered scooter?

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QUOTE(xnobys @ Feb 17 2023, 02:41 PM)
Honda Pacific Coast was considered as a scooter.
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Lol.


Generally engine placement will usually dictate what a scoot is.

Motorcycles have the engine in the front. Scoots have the engine further back under or behind the rider and usually but not always attached to the swingarm.

You forgot scooters used to be manual?

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post Feb 17 2023, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Feb 17 2023, 05:05 PM)
Many people start talking liao (from dealers) say this year sure come in lah 350 just dunno when..

So remains rumor  biggrin.gif

Forza I booked since April 2022 bayang still don't have.

Told big wing it's ok wait for ADV350  biggrin.gif
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ADV350 I also already place name on it, Forza also wait so long arh? CB650R bigwing also told me no stock since May2022😅 All motor no stock then what they sell...lol

I think I might get a used TL first, ADV350 dunno after enter Malaysia become 250 anot....
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post Feb 17 2023, 09:04 PM

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New Honda SH 350i. 16inch F/B wheel. Used to be 17s.
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post Feb 18 2023, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Feb 17 2023, 09:04 PM)
user posted image

New Honda SH 350i. 16inch F/B wheel. Used to be 17s.
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Walk through scooter, me likey!!

But no one brings in big walk through scoot in Msia.. saaaad.....
amscouzach57
post Feb 18 2023, 07:04 AM

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Modenas Elegan 250 EX
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post Feb 18 2023, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Feb 16 2023, 10:40 PM)
Is Honda Goldwing 1800 considered scooter?

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There's a Silverwing
jaycee1
post Feb 18 2023, 11:36 AM

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The NC750 DCT probably comes closest to a scoot .

Damn reliable engine. Have a friend that has 280,000km on it and the only engine part he needed to replace was the water pump.
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post Feb 19 2023, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Feb 15 2023, 02:14 PM)
Fully auto mah, what do you expect? For engine displacement disparity, expect a modest 20%-30% less acceleration and top speed when compared to a fully manual counterpart with the same cc.
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Yeah but I didn't expect it to have worse FC than a 200cc bike
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post Feb 19 2023, 12:15 PM

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Your scooter question aside 🤣

Where you did your B Full and how much did it cost
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post Feb 19 2023, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Feb 18 2023, 11:36 AM)
The NC750 DCT probably comes closest to a scoot .

Damn reliable engine. Have a friend that has 280,000km on it and the only engine part he needed to replace was the water pump.
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That engine was a honda jazz engine cut into half..
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post Feb 21 2023, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Feb 18 2023, 07:04 AM)
Modenas Elegan 250 EX
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This bike, for it's engine displacement, is already a freaking heavy bike by my standards dee, and I am using the previous gen 250 ABS version, which has more or less the same kerb weight of 200kg. Reversing on a slope with this bike is a nightmare!
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post Feb 21 2023, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Feb 21 2023, 09:49 AM)
This bike, for it's engine displacement, is already a freaking heavy bike by my standards dee, and I am using the previous gen 250 ABS version, which has more or less the same kerb weight of 200kg. Reversing on a slope with this bike is a nightmare!
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All the maxi scooters are about 200kg. Plus with the super wide seat and higher seat height, backing out with tip toes is never easy. Thats why you always back into a parking lot. Just like the rest of us 200kg bikes.
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post Feb 21 2023, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(persona93 @ Feb 19 2023, 12:15 PM)
Your scooter question aside 🤣

Where you did your B Full and how much did it cost
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just got my b full, just under 1.5k metro (other places likely cheaper)
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post Feb 21 2023, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(lawrencehl @ Feb 17 2023, 09:01 PM)
ADV350 I also already place name on it, Forza also wait so long arh? CB650R bigwing also told me no stock since May2022😅 All motor no stock then what they sell...lol

I think I might get a used TL first, ADV350 dunno after enter Malaysia become 250 anot....
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People waiting for ADV350 but they surprise us with ADV160 laugh.gif
Time is more important than money. For me, I had rather not wait indefinitely and just get something else on the market.

I really dont know how bigwing survive when everything out of stock since last year hmm.gif

QUOTE(persona93 @ Feb 19 2023, 12:15 PM)
Your scooter question aside 🤣

Where you did your B Full and how much did it cost
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Registered mid last year and completed exam end of last year @ Melati Bukit Mertajam Penang (~ RM500 upgrade from B2)

During my exam, there were 30 people taking B full and only 2 bikes. Lucky I was number 6 sweat.gif


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post Feb 22 2023, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(Sammy6 @ Feb 21 2023, 05:13 PM)
People waiting for ADV350 but they surprise us with ADV160  laugh.gif
Time is more important than money. For me, I had rather not wait indefinitely and just get something else on the market.

I really dont know how bigwing survive when everything out of stock since last year hmm.gif
Registered mid last year and completed exam end of last year @ Melati Bukit Mertajam Penang (~ RM500 upgrade from B2)

During my exam, there were 30 people taking B full and only 2 bikes. Lucky I was number 6  sweat.gif
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wow in BM only RM500 waaaa
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post Feb 22 2023, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(Sammy6 @ Feb 21 2023, 05:13 PM)
People waiting for ADV350 but they surprise us with ADV160  laugh.gif
Time is more important than money. For me, I had rather not wait indefinitely and just get something else on the market.

I really dont know how bigwing survive when everything out of stock since last year hmm.gif
Registered mid last year and completed exam end of last year @ Melati Bukit Mertajam Penang (~ RM500 upgrade from B2)

During my exam, there were 30 people taking B full and only 2 bikes. Lucky I was number 6  sweat.gif
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Currently I'm riding 250 cc scooter, so if upgrade ADV 350 I think is the only option if want lighter bike. Bigger cc scooter is heavy not suitable for town daily use especially like Penang Island so I think 300-400 is a sweet spot.

Currently I quite happy with my scooter just the ADV350 look nice and have better suspension system so thinking to upgrade. I have another ideal as well, get a clutch bike as a weekend bike but not sure worth or not because maybe just ride once a week. CB650R looks damn good.


QUOTE(persona93 @ Feb 22 2023, 07:57 AM)
wow in BM only RM500 waaaa
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Mine done at Penang Island cermelang 550, just done the exam on last Dec.
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post Feb 22 2023, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(lawrencehl @ Feb 22 2023, 08:14 AM)
Currently I'm riding 250 cc scooter, so if upgrade ADV 350 I think is the only option if want lighter bike. Bigger cc scooter is heavy not suitable for town daily use especially like Penang Island so I think 300-400 is a sweet spot.

Currently I quite happy with my scooter just the ADV350 look nice and have better suspension system so thinking to upgrade. I have another ideal as well, get a clutch bike as a weekend bike but not sure worth or not because maybe just ride once a week. CB650R looks damn good.
Mine done at Penang Island cermelang 550, just done the exam on last Dec.
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I saw the Forza 350 and Adv 350 in Thailand, they grew in size even compared to the existing Forza 300 before, so it might add more weight a bit, but the dimension is definitely bigger. Do take that into the consideration if you want to commute to the Island.

 

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