Should I get Axia 2023 or get current myvi... just for driving to work... not family car...

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New axia no turbo. For me better myvi.

Axia is only 1L, right? MyVi 1.5L is more fuel efficient actually.

I agree.
And there is no replacement for displacement.

LOL. No replacement for displacement.
This aint for drag race.
TS is just going to work.

Lesser cylinders , smaller displacement = Better FC for city driving.
So are you saying (the older) Accord 2.0L will have better FC than Myvi 1.5L?
No replacement for displacement ma

Its only when you floor it, then your Myvi is "more fuel efficient" for racing.

You have to look into weight factor also. Lighter cars have better FC.

I'm not sure what he meant by No replacement for displacement, but on FC it is not as simple linear math like you imagine.

I drive Axia 1L and also MyVi 1.5L. I know from my experience that MyVi save more fuel. The gear ratio also plays part in FC. Smaller engine needs to compensate with higher gear ratio not to load engine and give better response, thus at same speed the smaller engine may have higher rpm than slightly bigger engine.

So FC is engine CC x RPM over time to be more precise. Considering same weight.

This post has been edited by Zot: Feb 3 2023, 12:50 PM

Bigger CC is better. 1.5cc is the minimum I will drive. Not only for driving enjoyment but also the extra power is crucial when overtaking slow cars below 100km/h.

Assuming yr talking about Axia AV vs Myvi 1.5X both ard 50K right?

If you like accessories & safety gadgets then AV.
Else the 4-pot 1.5l engine offers more options when you need it, eg outstation travels. You never know suddenly company transfer you? Etc

However if strictly urban drive point A to B, perhaps the Axia X at 40K might be actually sufficient.

nowdays we dont see fc from rpm. there are more influencing factor

Perodua clearly stated that new Axia will be much much more efficient than previous version.

Obviously can't trust 100% about it however 25km/l claimed, you might easily get 20km/l for it.

For me, just purely for works(+got another car for longer journey) and etc, go for new Axia.

how far from home to work place?
long distance drive or city drive?

Easily get? Perodua famous for overstating by multiple times their FC. New Alza for instance claim 22 km/l, even with purely highway drive and no jam from KL to JB I was only hitting 14 km/l. Fuelly.com shows the old Axia (the best FC Perodua car so far) roughly 15 km/l with mixed driving and 17+ km/l for highway driving, no way the new one easily gets 20 km/l.

City drive in kl... sure congested

Nobody is talking about drag racing here or comparing Accords to Myvis.
I can see a presumptuous trait going on here.

I have owned both Axia 1.0 and a Myvi 1.5 ICON. the FC between both are similar at best and
the Myvi is slightly better some times, depending on payload, route, traffic conditions and way of driving.
If one can afford it, get a car with a larger engine. Maybe its just me as I am the type of driver who is
not concerned with fuel consumption at all.

Regarding the term "no replacement for displacement", lets just agree to disagree here.
We are all entitled to our own opinions for better or for worse.

No point debating about this for no mutual gain as this could escalate into a nasty argument.
I will consider this topic closed.

Have a nice day, bro.

well, i know few owners get 20km/l with current gen Axia. In Fact if based on fuelly there is tons of owner averaging 15km/l and above . Newest Axia is even more fuel efficient than previous gen.



example 1 of the hardcore 1.. was this real? who knows..


This post has been edited by babisotong: Feb 3 2023, 04:13 PM

axia then. city drive and small car. easy for parking and cilok ma.

If you can, why don't you share FC on Both cars based on how much you refuel and etc. It will be much more accurate to check it.

Axia 33L while Myvi 40L. So if full tank, how far you can get out of this 2

This 'hardcore one' is still below 19 km/l, and like anything else on fuelly you need to look at the data distribution for a good idea of how the real FC is. Can clearly see two peaks as I have mentioned, one at 15.5/16 and one at 17.5. Most cars have this pattern, where the lower peak corresponds to more mixed mode driving (city + highway) and the higher peak corresponds to primarily highway driving. Compare, for example, the Viva which has the same pattern with peaks at 13.5 km/l and roughly 16 km/l.

The reason to look at the distribution is because, as you said, 'was this real?'. Single outlier results, chance to be fake (or at least misttyped) is higher, that's why we look at the averages.

Yes, people just presumed bigger cc more fuel

If purely city drive for sure the smaller the better, unless you got mix driving like highway than the bigger car.

I have never done any engineered study but just based on my normal routine on highway to work observed over a period of time.

I owned an Axia 1L and been using it for 5 years. It is an auto. Could not remember the stated spec but after refueling the car on the way to work. Reset the car fc meter to zero I can get about 20km/L. Tried that on numerous occasion. Roughly the same results. I think the spec called for 21.x km/L. Speed around 80km/h or 100km/h I see no difference. On way back the traffic was more heavy and the average dropped to about 15~16km/L. It would improved back on the morning to office.

Now I owned a MyVi 1.5L auto. Similar test I can get around 21km/L but I thing I observed was that the MyVi improved its fc average much faster than Axia. My observation was that on highway the MyVi can average about 18km/L and Axia about 15km/L on routine to and fro to office over easy and and heavy traffic. In city driving, the MyVi gets around 15~16km/L and Axia was around 12~13km/L.

All these were based on normal routine route on highway and also in city.

so we can assume new Axia realistically gonna improved FC by atleast 10%~15%, so from 15km/l ~ 18km/l will be improved to 17km/l ~ 20km/l .


either way, it's too early to assume since we didn't even see the car yet, don't even know whether the car is heavier or ligther.

sadly, the FC meter is not that accurate. You will need to calculate by your self according to how much you pump and how far you go.

Btw how far is your office? based on the statement above, there is no use for your Axia since your Myvi is much much better in term of FC. lol

This post has been edited by babisotong: Feb 3 2023, 05:20 PM

So your "fc" based on dash readout


Go to petrol station, pump full 3 clicks. Reset trip metre. Drive normally. Go same petrol station, preferably same pump. Pump full 3 clicks. Check how much petrol needed divide by trip metre.

New Axia use DCVT and DNGA platform. Will be very very efficient easily 20km/l above. And their new cvt improve acceleration also see new myvi change dcvt become 10s car.

The FC meter is accurate in the sense that it keeps correcting the calculation. After refuel,if the average was low the estimated range will be also low based on current average. If high, the average is higher. I can honestly say that I used to do manual calculation many time over a long period of time. Sampling many time over the years thinking that if the manual calculation dropped far below average, I would know that there is something wrong with engine. Each time I refuel the car, I reset the fc meter to zero and compare the meter and my calculation. They were pretty much the same. In this case, both cars are the Perodua. So, calculation algorithm should be the same.

Round trip to office is 100km exactly unless I went to Lotus nearby or somewhere during lunch.

You read my latest explanation. Don't just

I've been doing manual calculation over many years before and the averages were the same and it is pretty much the same reading on the fc meter. I don't if your car different.

where did u learn this sentence from: lets just agree to disagree here
very cool

I only see new axia has new chassis that is supposed to be safer. I put not much hope in it surpassing big car safety anyway. But it's better than keep using old platform and rebody it as new.

'Too early to assume'

'We can assume'

A bit confusing right? Would be really good if they can get that improvement. But again must be apples to apples comparison (i.e. my new Alza has much better FC than my old Alza... obviously so just from the fact the old Alza was almost 14 years old at that point, so comparing 1 year old and 14 year old car) of similar age vehicles with similar usage.

My experience with the Perodua FC calculation is it is consistently 'off' from my actual calculated fuel consumption. For me I don't calculate FC based on individual pump up (because that would depend on how full you fill up in the initial pump and 2nd pump both), instead I use an app to track mileage and amount over time. Then I track not the per-fueling stats but the average stats over time (you can also running average to see trends if your driving varies by time of year). By this calculation the dash estimate is always too optimistic in my new Alza, by about 1 km/l. The possible source of error here would be how accurately the internal sensor can measure the exact amount of fuel each time you pump (definitely much less accurate than the petrol pump measurement due to profit motive of petrol distributor compared to car manufacturer). So imagine car owners A and B with exact same vehicle, but A always fill 'full tank' which is slightly more than B 'full tank', doubt that the car can differentiate the total amount of fuel in that case due to resolution/sensitivity of sensor.

tl;dr - reading from dashboard give general idea, but not as reliable. Measure yourself.

What year is your Myvi? CVT or 4speed auto?

Not CVT. It is auto, a generation before.

If were to compare between Daihatsu and Perodua design... Daihatsu overall design package last longer.

You can use even the GPS apps for this. For manual calculation, I just make it easy. I just ignore how much the fuel left in tank. Just fill until auto stop. take the amount paid and divide by distance travel. I made calculation over months if not years and the average on how much paid for each km is pretty much consistent. Pump at the same station and same pump to set bench mark and I observed when pumping at different pump, the difference can be around RM1~RM2. However, over long distance and many iteration, it will end up about the same amount. I convert this to liter per km and my observation was that it was about as consistent as the car meter. I've done it on over several cars I used to own and also my other car and it is about the same until I don't bother to do manual calculation now

The car fc meter is constantly average the distance and the amount fuel used whether heavy traffic, how aggressive your driving, etc. Therefore the average are different from time to time for each start and stop. It also has the average of fc since you bought the car. Manual calculation does not account these factor because you are just calculating fuel amount and distance travel.

For 49.5K definitely get MyVi, why settle for less when it’s almost the same price.

Axia engine is loud and vibration is higher due to 3 cylinder engine.

Myvi is more refined. See your budget.

If budget allow go for Myvi.