hi all.

i would like some opinion from otai here between new saga and used honda city. my max budget is around 60k. this will be my first car since i started working for 3 years.

my main priority is easy to maintain, reliable in the long run, not a fuel guzzler and comfort. i will be using the car maybe just for the weekend and once a month going back to kedah from selangor.most of the time i will drive alone. weekday i will ride motor to work.

the reason i choose sedan is because i gonna get married by next year so it will be my family car.

if i take the saga i can make the installment shorter to 7 years and if i choose city maybe 7 years installment kinda hard for me and opt for 9 years

i hope u all can advice me which is better in the long run or u can suggest another car for me as long as it meet my requirement.

thanks

If can afford Honda, get Honda.

Bezza or Myvi trust me u wont regret

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Jan 26 2023, 04:38 PM

Better get Saga because it is new, less headache to maintain.
And as you mentioned, you could afford shorter installment with Saga.
Of course a little bit fuel guzzler but this is for weekend drive only. And it is comfort.

my opinion for first car, better take proton saga.
got warranty. no need to pening2 your head if got any problem

i used saga from 2011 until 2019. Never breakdown. Only have to change wear and tear item. just want to share i never do service my proton saga aircond and only topup gas once. and the aircond working perfecly.

first car saga....for me saga n bezza is the same...bezza 2nd hand value more...just install UR bar to get proton ride

New Saga is good now. go for it.
Saga nowadays not like FLX/BLM time..

Now it's really2 money worth, so go for it.

how i wish it was that simple bruh..

the reason i didnt choose bezza because it look off to me 😅

thanks will put that into my consideration

Better get saga...honda city femes for gear box cvt failure around 100k km. Atleast RM4k must be allocate

saga on highway very high rpm, makan minyak a lot.

If new driver cannot differentiate between 2 models, get the cheaper and newer one.

u confirm want to be bangsa H? too many bangsa H turtled..

city used car, somemore need 9 years loan, means by the time fully paid off how old oledi? already many maintenance oh....

If money is tight until need to take 7 or 9 year loan,
It might be wise to avoid used car unless you really know the history for fear of expensive major breakdown.

At least new car any major issues likely be settled under warranty first 5 years.

Most important step = Test drive

take saga or myvi

yeap im aware of that, thanks for the reminder. will put that into my consideration

The problem with 1.3Litre is out of breath really easily. once reach 90kmh, feel out of power already and need to press deep if want to overtake with breeze.

My opinion is, why not just get newer persona lipas. its got more powerful 1.6L and newer with zero wear and tear. 1.3L is too weak owh. and it still under ur rm60k budget.

if u take low specs without skirting yes it looks abit weird. after add skirting (Ori expensive or aftermarket cheaper) it would look much nicer

Why not used Mazda 2?

This is always the most difficult question since 10 people will have 10 different answers

Go and test drive, and pick what you want
In the end not me paying, and using everyday
It is you, so better get something you like

Side note: if budget is tight prefer get something new, because of warranty

My remarks
Saga: actually pretty decent, if not slightly underpower. Reliability also okok because nothing fancy, so not much to go wrong
Myvi: good all rounder, with terrible build quality. Lots of rattling typically but won’t break down
Persona: Much better build quality, but sacrifice on fuel consumption and might have some reliability concerns
City: depends on who used before, maybe time for some wear and tear parts replacement - steering rack is frequent rosak, and CVT if always ram ram the car might have issues too
Bezza: It is an economical boat. fuel efficient but terrible to drive. Very reliable though

This post has been edited by axsatr: Jan 26 2023, 08:10 PM

Persona lipas wow that funny

will put persona under my list also. thanks for the input

im afraid i kenot tahan with the maintenance

thanks for your opinion. very much appriciated

I'm not like the rest of the forumers or even /k tards which will advice you based on what they feel like. I'm gonna be blunt and straight-forward.

The moment I see these words like:
i) Max budget 60k
ii) Installments up to 9 years
iii) Have been working for 3 years

Clearly you are on a very tight budget but trying to biar papa asal bergaya.
Yeah I know - Look good in front of future in-laws. "Wow...menantu dpt kete baru tu".. bisik ibu mertua.
Especially when you're gonna get married and that alone is like "buying another car" expenditure.

Wait, did you just said you worked for 3 years and yet you need to stretch your installments till 7years? If just started working 3-6 months I could understand but after 3 years of working?
If I were you, I would try to get a decent used ride. Something which can be paid in cash.
When i first dated with my wife until I got married - I tell you whats my 1st ride - Proton Wira hatchback. But of course thats the past.

For those new car warranty worshippers of course they would scream - "Buy new, peace of mind for 100 years during warranty" . You wont have a peace of mind when it comes to paying monthly installments for the next 108 months couple with your other monthly expenses.

But if you're gonna say - Screw the used cars advice, I'm still gonna get myself a new car. Okay fine, then go the Saga.

This post has been edited by pcdoctor_my: Jan 26 2023, 08:46 PM

wow thanks for the prompt reply. appreciate that 😄

nope im not the type that biar papa asal bergaya. im allocated that budget after minus my expenses, saving and other miscellaneous thing.

ive been dating my gf for the past two years until now just using my kapcai and public transport

not gonna elaborate further but thanks for your opinion and i will consider that too 😃

If you're not in a hurry, can test drive the new Axia launching next month, lowest variant should be slightly above 30K.

Then can decide vs Saga.

Based on your finance, saga.
City is good. At least mine, 12 years now. Still driving as main car. From bf gf to marry to 2 kids.

But really, saga suit you better now. Ain’t no shame.

Get the perodua alza, RM68K...

Good family car.

Can fetch your wife and parents together for dinner...

you won't regret.

axia

Just go with the new Saga, 2nd most expensive one. I think it's the Premium version. For RM40k it can't be beaten.

Think of it as a more budget version than Honda City.

1.3L is great for city driving. Cruising at highway 120km/h also no issue

This post has been edited by ghostcommand: Jan 27 2023, 12:48 AM

thanks guys. saga is the best buck for now

Go for saga, 2nd hand car interest is higher. If 9 years installment end up more expensive.
Of course if comfort and relative view is important after married then go for Honda.
Best is go for 2 years old 2nd hand Saga which still under warranty and you don't need to buy new car park at home most of the time. Some relative will look for you if they know you have under utilise car at home.
2nd hand car really need expert to help you check is the car no major accident or flooded car.

This post has been edited by keyser soze: Jan 27 2023, 01:37 AM

i dont care about my relative view, what matter to me is it didnt hurt my wallet. for now i will stick to saga and go for test drive soon.
thank for your opinion

Extreme suggestion here:
1) Go for a Saga full-spec. Either new / 2nd hand one with full service records (mileage below 25,000).
2) Take a loan tenure that you can easily pay off in 3-5 years.
3) At the same time, buy Geely shares on HKEX on monthly basis (same repayment amount as your car loan) & DCA (dollar cost average).

5-years down the road, take profit from the shares & use it to buy a new car, and repeat the process all over again.

im not good at trading but thanks for the suggestion

When married, wife relatives also your relatives. Must get the best wife.

haha thanks for the advise. my relationship so far so good

3 years working only? Easily Saga bro..

Get the Saga

Vote for saga

First car better take new and since u are going to use it for a long time, best to take something affordable

Honda is good option but used and to be honest quality of city also no diff than saga. Inside sound so hollow

Not sure if Proton still give such offers - but I know if it is seasonal (CNY, raya, or Merdeka time). I got my saga with free maintenance and parts for 5 years - yeah, I don't need to pay for service. black oil, filter, etc for 5 years.

Really headache-free. After 5 years, the car is still good.

go for new car. 2nd hand car very risky. in ur case 2nd hand city vs new saga, i would suggest go for saga.

u can take myvi into consideration as well, my friend give very good review for this car. resell value very high as well.

after purchasing 3 used car, my new rule of thumb is new is always better..

unless the used car is super cheap and you are buying it cash

If you want to accommodate people, the Mazda 2 should be taken out of consideration as the rear legroom is very tight. You mentioned that you want it as a family car so it definitely won't suit your requirement. It is very much a single's car.

to those who feel saga is underpowered, not really.

it can drive decently on highway speed or city drive.

if you are not speed demon, it will do just fine especially manual variant.

You don't need to worry much about driving in jem with manual as manual this day, the clutch is really easy to use.

FC for campro vvt now is quite good, tuning got better and improved over the last few years.

u can easily compare 2 iriz manual or auto ( latest vs 2 or 3 years ago) and feel the difference in term of driving and fuel consumption.

i will clearly say, go for new saga. full stop.

This post has been edited by babisotong: Jan 27 2023, 10:46 AM

good deal. was this long time ago?

If plan to upgrade in future better buy Perodua Myvi or Bezza, a lot of people here talk like very good driver, but for average people Perodua will always better compare to Proton (Look at Perodua sales already proven).

1st - 2nd value confirm win
2nd - Reliability
3rd - Spare part availability (New & 2nd hand half-cut a lot)
4th - A lot of aftermarket parts to mod.
5th - If buy AV top spec. got ASA & more safety features compare to Proton Saga/Persona.

If you care about your family, i would be better get a reliable & safe car.
As if i fetch my family i wont be driving like race car that need so much handling advantage.

BTW, new Axia is coming soon, it if really come with 1.0 turbo engine it is going to be another super car on road..

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jan 27 2023, 10:34 AM

lonst distance travel.... get a 7 seater suv serious... The new Alza perhaps. worth stretching a little..

it won't be 1.0 turbo, it will continue using 1.0 NA.

"a lot of people here talk like very good driver," < what? people are saying that saga is a better car to drive, this statement got nothing to do with very good driver.

sales don't say sht as most owner don't really care about how it drive but more like RV and reliability concern aka like your statement which clearly point it.

the main point is OP is asking about Saga vs Honda City bruhh ..

he clearly said "the reason i didnt choose bezza because it look off to me 😅"

i hv city v spec 2018-2019.. after a few years.. the cabin the chassis generate alot of tikus sound.. hahaha

and driving in jalan tak rata very very sakit hati and not comfy at all.. seat also tak sedap..

Maybe TS can consider new Ativa. Looks good of rendered model with full safety


Typo : new Axia

This post has been edited by gahpadu: Jan 27 2023, 11:15 AM

My first car is a 2017 Proton Saga CVT.

bought it during my first year of employment.
Saga is good to drive and to own for the first owner.

same as you. the car only serves for weekend drives and outstation. cuz most of the week I rempitz to office.

but by the time you own a car. Sometimes you will definitely use the car for work.

I previously also don't mind Saga Fuel Consumption (FC). but the more I use that car. the more I felt this car really guzzling fuel.
My saga the CVT one only serves me below 400km of a full tank (Mix driving but mostly highways) and yes. I'm kinda the guy that will fuel up the full tank and record the mileage.
The full tank of this saga is around 40l, and you will be refilling it around 33l from E. so, calculate the cost with your desired petrol price.

I cannot give a comment for the new saga as I have been informed that, that car has better FC after they change the Gearbox (GB).
speaking of Gearbox, Saga with CVT is not good. avoid at any cost any proton model with CVT. The GB is only good during test drives and 1st year of usage.
Now after settling up the loan, I gave that car to my sister.

As for your second choice which is City, what model year are you aiming for?
Since I gave Saga to my sister, I have been using Honda Jazz 2013 (TFO/GE) model. Compares to Saga,
that old Jazz has better FC and power, plus also a wide-open boot to put large items. For service, yes older cars need to spend more money to
fix and restore old wear and tear parts. But for normal fluid service. I don't see any cost difference between the two. some parts proton cheaper, some parts honda cheaper.
If buy used, you don`t need to stick to SC price as can survey another outside shop. As for long drives, 1.5l is better than a 1.3l engine. cruising
110kml on the highway gives you optimum power. Also, 1 has just been married for about 1 year. For me, Jazz boots are already enough for small families of
3 or 4. Jazz boot is not so small compares to other hatchbacks but Honda's rear seat flexibility is really good and can carry more goods than Saga.

Honda models before 2014 still use Conventional auto GB. I suggest you go for that model.
you may search for TFO/GE Jazz, TMO/GM5 City, or FB Civic. Conventional GB is more reliable than CVT.

But my main recommendation to you is, to find a car that you can afford to loan for 5 years and below.

Thats because you guys are lucky this Govt does not and will not implent COE.
If you dont know what is COE, please google.

By right the govt should had introduce COE to all (only) newly registered car buyers, and not try to implement scrap car practice. The theory is - You can afford a car, you pay also for the tax entitlement. Or else just sit bus/LRT to work
Have lesser new cars on the road.

But ,no, you guys had it very easily with low downpayments and super long installment car plans. Thats why dont feel the pinch.

Oh speaking about safety, dont talk about having 100 airbags or the ASS-AH system in Perodua.
If you come across oncoming opposite vehicle, or crash into a lorry, its either you cripple or die. Even the ASS-A cant save you. The car body saves you first then only airbags.
So stop promoting Perodua just to save that itsy tiny bit of petrol and that ASS-A system.

BTW CyrusWong amd littlefire, Please dont encourage to add more annoying Kings on the road. A car is not an appreciating asset. Especially in Malaysia. Its either you buy a new car and forget about RV , or buy a used car, which already go through plenty of depreciation.

The only reason why someone suggests to buy a Perodua is because
a) They want to have a clone Toyota. They dont like rebadge Geely. Which essentially its the same.
b) Resale value high. Then later also want to try sell high high. Ferrari pricing on a MYVI.
c) Save that extra tiny little bit of petrol compared to Proton. But dont want to have/activate ECO Idle Mode. Kinda stupid. Then why not buy the low spec version without the ECO mode.

Okay, enough here.

This post has been edited by pcdoctor_my: Jan 27 2023, 12:02 PM

Nop. Saga/Persona is not a rebadge Geely & 2nd to outdated Campro engine & safety features

Malaysian car ownership still consider as "expensive" overall in Malaysia, you need to be sure you bought the correct car for the next like 5~10 years. Unless your damn rich which no concern about 2nd value than any car anytime can sell losing a lot money also nvm.

BTW, If it is good, try ask any mechanic (people which fix/service with different cars) which car to choose if got the choice. Those people which work with different cars everyday will know the pro & con of each ride more better.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jan 27 2023, 12:11 PM

even Adrian from wapcar recommend Saga, that say a lot for car reviewer.

you can check latest Proton Saga RV, it's not much different than Bezza.
So based on price point, Saga RV is better than Bezza ( same year )

saga je bang. nak jimat minyak, buy bezza or new axia lagi jimat minyak. myvi also better choice.
later after married, got child, ada rezeki lebih, beli mpv besar sikit.

This post has been edited by soulz69: Jan 27 2023, 12:38 PM

thanks guys. i will stick to saga and already contact SA and need to wait 3 month haha. no issue since im not in rush to use a car

Go for new car bro. If i were u will try to avoid any proton car. Better go for perodua like axia or bezza.

Ngam ngam 5 years ago.

Proton haters? latest Saga is using 4at, Campro VVT not much issue other than use a bit more fuel than Bezza and etc.

If you just want a car to go from point A - B
The peredua's will do the trick

If you wanted to experience fine handling
Proton saga is the way the way to go

If you want something to make yourself look good in the eye of others
Used city but advisable if you do some advance research on the model you want to buy so that you know what going on and not kena chop by mechanic.

If you want super bajet
Used myvi would be a good idea since it is common and parts are available, the again just do some research on the model before purchase.

Whatever you choose just make sure you can afford the repayment, no point driving something you like but worry about paying off your bill at the end of the day.

This post has been edited by minizian: Jan 27 2023, 03:26 PM

This group has a lot of Proton haters. They give advice solely because they don't like the brand and not that the car is bad. So, TS do take these comments with a pinch of salt. Only take the points from those that give you solid facts. Those can be deemed credible advice. Otherwise, can assume they just don't like the brand

I drove a civic CVT for 12 years no issue at all. Recently buy a used 2017 saga , the guy apparently cheated on me and the gearbox was faulty. Imagine a 5 years plus car gear box already got problem and when I went to proton service centre three guys saying their X70 got gear box problem. You tell me how to trust a national China car. Apparently Japanese are much more superior in making things.

Nobody said proton cvt is good. Almost everybody in online want to literally "punch" proton cvt.

Your fault for not doing research

If proton is that good it should recall all the CVT gearbox. Full stop.

Ok, please also get Ford to recall all their DCTs and VWs all their dry clutch DSG. I will seriously support your cause

Nope. Its just my honest opinion as proton user before. Never again.

Bezza, Myvi or Used Vios

it's clearly your fault, now imagine if previous owner didn't do jack sht about cvt oil change and etc for 5 whole years? you understand now? it's the previous owner fault, not the car.

And here clearly is saga 4at bruh.. not lousy CVT

opinion, yes.
honest? not really and does not matter at all on your opinion

want my opinion? Perodua makes shit cars especially if you care about driving dynamics/enjoyment.
i will add on - ALL perodua models.
and no i have not test driven all of them despite saying that opinion.

is it honest? not really.
does it matter? definitely not to you.

chill oi, haha..

for me his opinion is valid IF his car is +- 3year + got tons of issue. IF you say sht thngy about totally diffrnt thngy, your opinion doesn't mean jack sht.

For example IF someone comparing Saga FLX/BLM CVT to Latest Saga 4AT.. *facepalm*

Well up to u. But believe many others have same opinion with me.

there will be for sure, however X50 is still selling like hot cake is another different story.

While new saga is not selling a lot, it still sells by decent amount.

get persona instead.

take lowest spec auto saga and go for 8 years installment .
keep the money for early settlement later at around 5 years old

after settle the car loan maybe can sell it and upgrade to better car than city..maybe suv mpv or c segment sedan

sorry for new locally grown perodua like myvi g3 axia alza and bezza(except ativa) some point are not applicable anymore especially the half cut parts luls.
due the fact that myvi g3 is locally developed with the help of daihatsu only powertrain and suspension component maybe available in used or halfcut market.. if you said for myvi icon or the older myvi then its accurate..
it is not as robust as older myvi...but still reliable..the headlamp for myvi g3 are not cheap..and the windscreen too..all those sensors etc only available as new and maybe need to order for few weeks..

more or less its the same as proton locally developed car but only with better japanese power train and spare parts availability. Other than that i dont think any other perks of latest perodua that are better than proton..

availability of aftermarket parts maybe is shopee motorsport right.
like tiktokers bezza and myvi..this one not entirely true previously you could use japanese aftermarket for older myvi..but now its the same parts from taiwan and malaysia especially those absorbers..ecu from thailand and etc..which is not much difference than proton aftermarket parts also..lol

1st point and 2nd point i agree but the other two points meh...

Newer range is still shared across, like Daihatsu Ayla/Toyota Agya/Wigo = Perodua Axia
Bezza is just an extented Axia, if want to mod the whole bodykit over it can be done for front face, but only special is the rear boot which is unique to us.
Perodua Alza = old model Daihatsu Boon Luminas/Toyota Passo Sette, New model shared with Toyota Avanza/Daihatsu Xenia/Veloz
New Myvi still using old chassis, but with so much advancement for local model not worth for half-cut. Engine & gearbox still usable across even half-cut from Japan & still consider affordable.

FYI, local half-cut shop can get from many other source like Singapore, Australia. Even Japan dont have similar model, they can get from other countries and even i heard before some rare half-cut even from UK, middle east & Africa also can ship in Malaysia. So with such common models across the globe, Proton Saga will be hard to win Perodua in term of spare parts flexibility.

Another nail to the coffin is the maintenance cost of Proton Campro engine againts Perodua. Just the timing belt change and the intake manifold whole plastic part (guarantee to fail or leak air after few years) how much need to add in those hidden cost?

That why i always want Proton to replace those ancient Campro engine and improve overall safety features. Just imagine if Proton Saga/Persona all fitted with the 1.5T engine, even no need turbo N/A version also should be more advance compare to Campro and at least better playing ground/terms when compare with perodua offerings.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Feb 7 2023, 04:37 PM

[quote=pcdoctor_my,Jan 26 2023, 08:46 PM]

Yeah I know - Look good in front of future in-laws. "Wow...menantu dpt kete baru tu".. bisik ibu mertua.
Especially when you're gonna get married and that alone is like "buying another car" expenditure.

When I was first met my mother in-law many years ago, I drove used Kelisa and still she approved her daughter to married me. 😄😄

A good mother/father in-laws will not judge you based on materialistic things, if you have a steady job and not a drug dealer, it should be fine.

does handling matter in sub 50k cars really?

I personally think it does

Go test drive latest Iriz or Persona
If you get it, you'll love it. If you don't, it'll be just another "cheap" proton

used myvi/saga since 1st car and less driving skill

Depends highly on ppl...

iirc... iriz manual very nice handling... had a kelisa drove it like go kart... still keeping my 19 yrs old low powered swift...

Yes for me it does.
Why? Cos that what I am looking for so that I can enjoy my wee hour drive at Gohtong/ulu yam/Bkt Tinggi or Sepang Circuit.
Not really interested on post purchase modifications, hence was looking something that I can enjoy box stock apart from better tire/wheel combo.
For 50K new there only few choices and proton came on top that suit my criteria (part of my budget I have allocated to spares and consumables since I expect myself to use more than regular joes due to my driving pattern)

And for me usp is proton tend to tune those pre-geely cars to be have more sporty handling which got overshadowed by other issues.

No idea if they still do it for geely models but to be honest I doubt.

Well, if it doesn't matter to you so be it since all of have different needs and wants

This post has been edited by minizian: Aug 30 2024, 11:52 PM