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Investment Newbie Buying Property in Johor, Please enlighten me sensei

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loyiwei
post Jan 16 2023, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Honor69 @ Jan 16 2023, 03:41 PM)
Newbie trying out property investment

Let me introduce myself, I am 24 years old working in Singapore, earning roughly 7k SGD a month excluding bonus and stock options. Right now I am looking into sub-sales as.

Let me share with you guys my opinion on why I am looking into sub-sales, not a new project.

There is more negotiation room and I can collect rent to cover my installment. I can calculate my rental yield fairly easily.

When you go to the sales gallery, even though the surrounding area only yields RM2K rental with a fully furnished unit, they will advertise RM5k rental if you cut into smaller rooms and so on, or do Airbnb which I am quite opposed to as there is too much competition right now and it is hard to make your unit really stand out among all the Airbnb units.

I have been to a lot of sale galleries in KL recently and I don't think right now there are any good projects that can generate breakeven cash flow, let alone positive cash flow. I feel like all the properties are quite overpriced at this point as I need to fork out around RM 1k for the unit and this is excluding renovation from the makeover guys and the agent commission fee for helping us find a tenant.

Moving on to the project I am looking at

It's Country Garden Danga Bay located in Johor, I am right now taking advantage of the situation of China/Singapore investors trying to cut their losses because the initial launching price is RM 1. xx million, and right now the market value is around roughly RM470k and above hence I am sort of trying to lowball the seller to sell me their unit and let them live in peace.  

The unit I am looking at is an 881 square ft 2 bed and 2 bathroom layout. There is a tenant inside the unit and the rental is around RM 1700, the selling price is RM480k which I manage to haggle down to RM 380K which is almost 100k off. I think I will jack up the price to RM 1800/RM 1900 after I purchase the unit. The rental yield is roughly around 5.6% which I considered decent.  If you compare this to any other units in KL/RnF pricess Cove, I find this unit quite impressive as most of the properties in KL only yield roughly 3% rental yield, at most 4%

Furthermore, to give you more context the developer units are going for sale at a price of RM 450 per square foot for those 1200 square ft layouts and RM 550 to RM 650 for those units ranging from 400 square ft to 900 square ft. Even for subscales, other than the unit I am eyeing which is RM 430 per square ft,  the next cheapest available sits at around RM 540 per square ft.

Concerns/Questions:

I am contemplating whether I should take a full loan and cash out the difference as I know the bank value will be higher than the sales price. If this is the case, I might need to fork out the maintenance fees every month. But If I do not cash out and went for a lower loan amount, the rental actually covers all installment and maintenance costs and I do not need to worry about anything.

The reputation of the developer and the financial status might be a problem if I wanna exit this property as the future buyer will also research online before buying. But since this is already built and finished hence I am not that concerned if the developer actually goes bankrupt. Have you had any trouble exiting a property where the developer's name kinda ruin the ongoing deal?

Due to the higher initial launching price and now the price drop so much, there are still unsold units from the developer which I confirm with several agents and there is a lot of negative comments about this project, but when I go to their township and see, quite popular leh, got beach, got visitors, two sides of the road all fully park for the beach and all, maybe is developer buy cars and park there to look more popular hahaha but there is also a mall with Aeon, Mr. DIY, HealthLane Pharmacy, Original Classic, Cinema, Although the mall is not that big but it has everything we need. How come the online comments are so teruk and I am scared this might affect future buyers when I am exiting this property?

They said since this whole township is built on reclaimed land, the building might sink and terus collapse hahaha I am not sure whether this is true or not so might need your expertise on this.

I want to play it conservatively, assuming my property does not really appreciate in price, and since I am entering below market price and I can sell it back at below market price too in the future and assuming there is no capital appreciation there and I continue to let my tenant build equity for me and I refinance it and cash out and keep repeating this, am I playing the property game right or should I aim for a property that has much more space for capital appreciation like in KLor Penang, cuz high rise in JB, I don't really see too much of a capital appreciation happening as they have ample of land. 

Last but not least, does buying this property make sense ? 

I am not so experience in refinancing also I saw some1 said can use refinancing to cash out loan.
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The capital gain for high rise in johor bahru is really not optimistic.
1. There is still a lot of undeveloped reclaim lands, not only the current supply, there will be a lot of future supply.
2. Those that setup a home in JB, most of them preferred landed and against high rise.

It will be purely the rental play. For high income earner like you, it will be wasting time for a few hundres RM a month.


loyiwei
post Jan 16 2023, 05:05 PM

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For JB market investment, focus on gated and guarded landed terrace. Personally, I am studying sunway iskandar. There seems to be an increasing expat community living there with comprehensive amenities in the township. There is also a lot of activities at the industrial area in gelang patah, where sunway iskandar is the best township for the expat/ local working there.
loyiwei
post Jan 16 2023, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jan 16 2023, 05:03 PM)
if free few hundred a month, what if u got 10-30 units of them?

it is cash flow every month, and at the end of the day after few years, u even dispose at your buying price, u still earn equity.
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Managing tenant is a business and demand time. And to get tenant, we need to fully furnished and ID the unit. A few hundreds a month will take you 4-5 years to just recover the setup cost/ transaction cost. Lousy/ negative ROI if w/o capital gain.


loyiwei
post Jan 17 2023, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Jan 16 2023, 07:45 PM)
Agreed. If I were Singaporean and I wanted to buy something just across the border, it would be landed at a fraction of the price.

If you’re going after a more cosmopolitan populace then it’ll be KL.

Just to reiterate, Johor is not Shenzhen. It’s like Philadelphia to Manhattan.
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One aspect that being speculated now is the size of Singaporean retirees that will live in JB in the next 10 yrs, looking at the increasing gap for of cost of living btw Malaysia and Singapore. Singapore government is actually encouraging this by allowing CPF (KWSP equivalent) to be used in a few JB hospital.

If that happens, the retirees will likely prefer high rise with good amenities and facilities, as it demands less time and energy to upkeep a highrise and they do not need huge space. For that, my opinion is only nusajaya area fit a Singaporean retiree's life style requirement.

Within nusajaya, iskandar sunway is most promising with best amenities ard the area.


loyiwei
post Jan 17 2023, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Jan 17 2023, 11:58 AM)
What nonsense conjecture. Hard borders are up for a reason. What if PAS takes over government, that’s more likely than SG sponsoring their citizens to live in our country and not contribute to their GDP. It’s mainly Malaysians who work in SG who will buy back in Johor.
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The is already a mini Singapore estate in JB called Horizon Hills, the local call it Singapore village.

SG is not sponsoring but saving money from this move as CPF is still individuals' money, not gov money. and if the retirees visit a SG gov hospital, gov need to subsidized heavily. If not, how do you explain the reason the SG gov allows that to be used in JB hospital.

If PAS take over and implement drastic change, it is not difficult to just migrate back.

On GDP, retirees dun contribute a lot to GDP and Singapore can convert a lot of resources/ space/ man power for higher value activity. JB can get higher spending power population to boast the economy. I see tat as a win-win for both country.


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post Jan 18 2023, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Jan 17 2023, 03:57 PM)
You do make some valid points but until Malaysia gives assurance of what happens in case of an emergency or when borders get closed then this is not a full proof plan. Recent events have shown how volatile this can be. The idea is great but the reality might not match up. I saw too many MM2H people get completely stuffed over with no home for a long long time.
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For the pandemic, it is a recent event and hence people still concern about it. give it a few years and it will be forgotten, that is how we have financial crisis every 10 yrs. We are forgetful.

Pandemic that lead to border closure is a one in century event based on historical trend, I likely won't live to see another one...lol.
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post Jan 18 2023, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Jan 18 2023, 09:39 AM)
I agree with the post which said buy landed instead. But i will look for a shoplot with your kind of salary.
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A lot of successful residential property investors get big headed and get burn in commercial property investment. Be careful as business change too fast nowaday and it is very hard to tell which commercial unit/ area can fly or sustain.

 

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