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National Team ~Spain National Talk~, Spain vsAmernia~~4-0 Villa's brace

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post May 30 2008, 11:37 PM

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who are the defenders in 1st eleven?i think the automatic choice would be ramos(right) and puyol..who will be puyol's partner and the left back?
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post May 31 2008, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(matt85 @ May 31 2008, 12:42 PM)
Marchena  hmm.gif

Eh anybody knows what happened to Pablo and Juanito ? Why didn't they get a call up?
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Juanito is Juan Gutiérrez, no 20 in the list..and yeah, pablo ibanez!!where is he?he is good right?he even was rumored to join real several years ago, and then later had to apologize to atletico fans when the deal broke down..

based on his performance for valencia, i doubt marchena is good enuff to be in 1st 11..pernia and antonio lopez also didnt make the team..

and if u check the team list again, errr, where is atletico's players????
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post Jun 2 2008, 11:03 AM

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villa and capdevila scored, soccernet reported
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post Jun 9 2008, 04:28 PM

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is there any injury worry for spain now?all players are fit right?

i quoted this from soccenet.com..and i am attracted to those bolded lines...........

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for the 1st bolded lines, is that news really true?that raul's way of handling of the team created some political tension in the squad---> for this question, i think mr. verx may have the complete answer smile.gif ..errr maybe i should tell that i already know this autonomous region thingy nod.gif

and for the 2nd bolded lines ---> i LOLed biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif ..he and i have similar music interests..

source: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...ab1pos2&cc=4716

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post Jun 12 2008, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(akRia @ Jun 12 2008, 12:24 PM)
mellow.gif the last wc spain scored a lot too,but............
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i think at that time they were a bit overconfident after those great initial reasults....for me complacent is spain's biggest enemy for a long time..especially in defensive area

btw, puyol had a good game imo..covering mistake prone marchena

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post Jun 15 2008, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(qspn @ Jun 15 2008, 12:26 PM)
Moreover I think the Spanish build up play is way too slow before the ball is deliver to the final third. If the Spanish is trailing they would be in problem if they keep on with current style of play.  I think they need to sweep the ball much faster rather than passing the ball too much around.
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i think spain's gameplay was as usual when puyol was on the field..once the backline have the ball, xavi would always come deep to get the ball, and spain's attack would start from there..when puyol came off, spain played like they never prepared any tactics b4 the game..kucar kacir almost everytime..iniesta also was having a bad game imo..

yes, both torres and villa scored goals, but i cant remember if there were any good move that they made together..is there any?so i cant say their partnership is very good..they still have rooms in to improve on their understanding
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post Jun 16 2008, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jun 15 2008, 09:40 PM)
to be honest casillas and ramos have been dodgy in both games
its just a bit drop of performance, coz ive always seen they do better than that
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yes u are right..they can perform much better than they did in the last 2 games

QUOTE(raul7 @ Jun 16 2008, 01:36 PM)
ramos more to me as attacking role than as a defender... i dont know for his coach but for me it create a big gap at right back... coz he always 'lambat turun'... coz very syok to attack one... maybe for russia and sweden ok la.. but if you face arjen robben or c.ronaldo in semi final (lets hope) you will kena my friend....
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even iniesta had to cover ramos' position at times bcoz ramos was TOO slow to get to his position..quite frequent actually..but i still think ramos is the best for that position, as the other option for RB is puyol, but im sure puyol will be mainly used as centreback..wondering why aragones didnt bring atletico defenders along (pablo, lopez, pernia)..they maybe had a bad season, but still they can offer several options to him for the defence..i think this team has to many midfielders..
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post Jun 18 2008, 09:58 PM

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spain will win over italy IF they have plans to mark toni..i think toni is italy's most dangerous man..he has juz been unlucky so far, thus no goal for him yet..still he showed that he he has great strength and good headers to set up his teammates..for me, our central defender is the key in that game..if they can keep toni out, then italy will be heavily paralyzed..hope they can learn somthing from gallas, abidal, and boumsong..
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post Jun 20 2008, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(sandwich_box @ Jun 19 2008, 05:10 PM)
hope villa and torres can make something against the world's no.1 defense.
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i doubt they have the best defence in the world..their defenders tend to lost concentration at times..and they are ageing as well..but yeah buffon is solid as ever..it is nearly impossible to score against him by using hish crosses..he is the best in aerial ablitity..
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post Jun 21 2008, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(zeronehza @ Jun 21 2008, 06:06 PM)
i think aragones should have really tough defender.. like legend hierro...
we are still lack on defender... hope spain can defend a lot... beware of italy super strike.. they are slow.. but they also get little damn counter attack that make very dangerous situation....
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post Jun 22 2008, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(sandwich_box @ Jun 22 2008, 04:24 PM)
hoping that puyol and ramos can manage to keep the ball out from coming into the penalty box.
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i cant agree more..this is what i expect the spanish team to do tonite..

player that have to be watched out: toni, perrotta, daniele de rossi
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post Jun 22 2008, 11:41 PM

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im getting nervous waiting for the match to start..i dun wan spain to lose..it is so unfair for a great footballing country like spain has only 1 trophy to show
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post Jun 23 2008, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(qspn @ Jun 23 2008, 01:46 PM)
I don't think Alonso would come into the team as he play similar role like Senna. It is most likely that Xavi would be drop in the next game to accomodate Fabregas. He is quite influential when he came on as a sub in last night game. I think Spain would find Russia won't be that easy to play like the first time. Russia has significantly improve over the course of the tournament under Hiddink. Like most of you pointed out Spain width is coming from their fullbacks. At the current moment there is no natural winger in the squad as most of the midfielders then to drift inside. If Aragones include Joaquin in the squad perhaps he has that option in his disposal. I haven't watch much La Liga nowadays to judge his performance for Valencia. Perhaps the poor form in club level is the reason why he is not being selected in the squad.
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this is absolutely the problem for spain..you see, 4-4-2 system is usually a high tempo system, and normally require wingers..to add speed and width to the gameplay..

when aragones picked up his final squad i thought he will play with 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 system..there are only 2 wingers in the squad: cazorla and silva..the rest of the midfielders, are playmaking-minded..hence, i think its logical for aragones to play a system that give room for his midfield to demostrate creativity..

iniesta certainly cant play in winger position for god sake..he dont have the speed..and playing there didnt give him enuff room to demonstrate his creativity..moreover he was up against tough italian defenders..how can he do the winger's job..even cazorla, a winger, had dificulties to play during the match..

its not that im suggesting that playing with 2 strikers is bad for spain, but i think with the set of players that spain have for the tournament, spain have to play 4-3-3..maybe silva-torres-villa combination upfront..and xavi-senna-iniesta in midfield..

and i dun think cesc performed much better than xavi..cesc oso have difficulties similar to iniesta's..lack of room in in midfield..and guiza cant connect well with his passes
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post Jun 23 2008, 03:03 PM

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but he certainly can play as one of the three-pronged forward line..this type of attacking line doesnt require wingers..they juz need forwards that are creative enuff to unlock the defence..once the forwards unlock the defence, juz imagine how effective those superb passing ability of iniesta and xavi can be..

maybe some would say iniesta's pasing is not that good..actually i think he didnt performed really well to his true standard..most probably bcoz of his position

and i believe the reason why xavi had to always hold the ball is bcoz villa and torres didnt do their job, defence-penetrating forward runs..believe me, i know this bcoz this also happened when xavi played for barca this season..

anyone remember tiki-taka word?that means pass and move..and spain were widely claimed to use this tactic for this tournament..against italy this didnt happened..

to summarize, i think if aragones wanted to play like this, he needs to change to 4-3-3..i believe cesc also can be more effective with this system as he will be allowed more freedom bcoz there 2 more midfielders at his position..cesc or iniesta in the middle..either one..but for aragones, xavi is very important in his gameplay..bcoz many of spain's attack will start from him..defenders always passed the ball to xavi after they get the ball from opponents..

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post Jun 23 2008, 03:29 PM

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that is why i said earlier, xavi has to be kept in the 1st team..senna has a guaranteed place..and that one slot left is up to aragones..either iniesta and cesc..

i picked iniesta earlier bcoz..hmm..maybe bcoz im barca fan? tongue.gif ..but i admit cesc maybe more effective than iniesta this time

so my answer is, iniesta should be sacrificed to bring cesc into the team..others should be kept

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post Jun 23 2008, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(matt85 @ Jun 23 2008, 10:53 PM)
Is it just me, or i noticed none of Silva's many shots were on target in the Italy game?
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still, the shots are all gud enuff, considering how the italians defended..all defenders were concentrating on preventing any hole in their last line, while the midfielders, especially ambrosini, and sometimes even perrotta, always closed down on spain players who attempted long shots..

against such defending tactics, there are not many attackers who can manage accurate long shots..silva should be credited for his efforts

btw, who was Man of the Match?
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post Jun 26 2008, 12:43 AM

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somehow, i feel casillas will be the best player on the field again..im just amazed with his ability..his save from camoranesi is enuff to suggest how great his positioning is..

im juz hoping spain's attack can get better..
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post Jun 26 2008, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ Jun 26 2008, 02:25 AM)
imo spain attack is briliant but their defence are poor. im not talking about casillas but i mean spain's defenders. from i watch, spain gameplay are very offensive and they dont really defence and im worried bout that. we cant keep relying on casillas alone right...
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maybe you are right..spanish defenders are performing poorly..but imo we can always depend on casillas alone..the defenders should not let opponents do any super long shots..he should worry everytime crosses are coming into his penalty box though..the defenders seem like blinkered when dealing with crosses
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QUOTE(raul7 @ Jun 26 2008, 01:46 PM)
since start i was hoping that spain will be in final... in group phase i think i very comfortable with performance (even with 2nd team vs greece)... little bit shaky vs italy in semi coz the italian superb in defending... and tonite may be a different russian side which they meet in group match... and still i hope TORRES will be a monster tonite... coz what i saw not the same torres as in liverpool squad...
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do you mean torres is not bringing his liverpool form to euro?
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post Jun 26 2008, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(ahnien @ Jun 26 2008, 02:57 PM)
he is doing great but not as great as he's at liverpool.
hope they can excel 2nite and go all the way
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actually, im not surprised at all smile.gif
as i said earlier, villa and torres partnership didnt impress me either tongue.gif

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