Heeeyyyy wassup guys!

It has been a while but here I'm back with a personal review of my new Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060 Ti from Manli. This is an individual look from my new i7 build right here https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5339043

Manli is probably more of an C-tier OEM maker for more well known B-tier AIBs which I will go into later but since products from this brand lacks any sort of review, so I thought to post this for the benefit of those budget sensitives whom are looking to squeeze every single drop of value from their RM spent (like me, haha).

Okay here is a snapshot of their product page:


Very generic looking, so I will present from my own GPU.

But first here is Manli's packaging box.


A typical standard Geforce box styling of recent generations which does help it stand amongst the store space crowded with B-tier brands like Palit, or Zotac as it means Manli doesn't have to spend a lot of money making an impressive box that has no bearing on the actual product inside.

The rear of the box highlights all the generally important bits for Ampere.


The box ID matches the GPU version with that shown in their product page.


The M2480 ID indicating this is a 3060 Ti from the LHR V2 variant meaning the ori LHR unlocked driver (470.05) would not have worked with this card. Of course now that recent Geforce drivers has the LHR officially unlocked by Nvidia, this doesnt really matter anymore. I havent tried it yet but supposedly it should get from LHR limited 25MH to 60MH with latest drivers.

Anyhow opening the box sees it fills up all that space so no unnecessary wasted packaging or chungous box size.


Paired down everything that could mean extra cost, it is just the static bag wrapped GPU and not even a driver CD or quick manual. Ultra budget focused, I like.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 24 2022, 02:53 AM

Presenting the Manli Geforce RTX 3060 Ti!


The GPU cover is not a pretty sight but at least it isnt the worst looking (I'm looking at you Palit Dual)

Here is the backplate of that card. It is metal alloy so you do get a lot of value from its price here. The rear has a unique arrow pattern holes which gives it the FE styled rear fan blow thru design element.


On the rear is 3 heatpipes going thru the whole card lengthwise.


From their product page.


This heatpipe configuration has uncanny similarities with the Palit Dual and PNY XLR8. Both Palit & PNY are under the same company


Over the side it is just plain with a printed Geforce RTX wordings. Being budget focused this card has no (ZERO) RGB or any lighting effects. Neither does it comes with dual bios so it is not an overclocker type card. Perfect for those that dont need them


The PCB like all other B-Tiered Ti are very short for the power it packs. It appears to be a hefty card in my hands as majority of weight comes from the cooling fin arrays. To me it is heavier than the last 2slot card I held, a GTX 460.

Installation is straightforward and the length is about MATX width so it looks at home paired with my B660M PG Riptide.


The impression it gives out is a very utilitarian budget focused friendly card.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 24 2022, 03:31 AM

Alrite here are some performance numbers. Bear in mind my system is ran off a SATA SSD so it might have some bottlenecking perhaps. Also I am using as is, so I have monitoring programs and AV running behind. Take it that results would be lower than online reviewers.

1st up 3D Mark

Timespy GPU = 11420 (overall 1600 points off the world record, not bad)


Firestrike GPU = 29945 (overall only 900 points off the world record, hmm...)


Night Raid GPU = 138998 (overall is 3000 points from the best)


Unigine

Heaven 4.0 DX11 = 3662


Right now Im playing Metro Exodus & Halo Infinite but Halo doesn't have a bench tool so I can only show ME results

Metro Ultra setting


Metro High setting


Metro Extreme setting


Being V2, this card comes ReBAR enabled and as you can see it is a proper 200W TDP 3060Ti


Furmark

Stress test 1hr without issues. It also confirms this card tops out at 200W. The GPU cooler is actually quite capable, keeping the GPU under 80oC at 100% load


This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 24 2022, 06:48 PM

Okay I back for my last part of the review. I didnt really expect it would take so long actually, HAHA!

So since Manli being a not so widely reviewed brand, it got me looking into the card to gauge its build quality. Due to no tamper sticker, I wasnt able to teardown until expose the PCB but I peeked around the card where I am able to discern some features & components layout.

Comparing with other AIB PCB sourced from Techpowerup the closest, indeed the most uncanny similarities is with Zotac Twin Edge 3060 Ti.

Here you can see my analysis when compare the main PCB from Zotac and snapshots of my Manli card


The black header on that Zotac board is for cooler RGB lighting which my Manli GPU lacks. Otherwise everything all looks identical.

Palit's Dual 3060Ti PCB layout is also almost the same


As in my first post, you can see the cooler is very similar to that of Palit/PNY's 3060Ti so it appears my Manli card is a combi of Zotac board with a Palit/PNY cooler!

The matchmaking doesnt end there as PNY itself also rebrands the same Manli card as their PNY GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB UPRISING Dual Fan LHR using the same shroud and backplate!


Another brand that seems closely related is OCPC's RTX 3060Ti which appears to use the same backplate arrow pattern holes design as with the Manli although they have their own shroud design


It is remarkable to see so much cross brand similarities and perhaps indicative of perhaps a reference board design used by the various AIBs although none are following Nvidia's FE PCB. It could also indicate some sort of OEM deal whereby these B-tiered brands subcontracted out their regular 3060Ti to Manli and simply rebrand the card or in Zotac's case apply their own cooler.

Unfortunately I could not teardown my card and further inspect the build components that might differentiate it and its B-tier branded cousins. Otherwise I would conclude that both are materially the same meaning of the same quality. In that case, it would be down to certain features, like RGB bling on those B-tier brand boards, or warranty & service at your local area, that would justify their higher price tag. Otherwise if performance per $$ is what you want, the C-tiered Manli or OCPC is much better value at RM 1500-1600 compared to the B-tiered Zotac/ Palit/ PNY RTX 3060Ti price range between RM 1800-2000.

The A-tier class AIBs ie Asus/ MSI/ Gigabyte, sits on another level and perhaps somewhat justifies their price premium what with better board design, parts quality, better cooler, OC headroom, and with better warranty and aftersales support typical of big brands.

Longevity & durability of my Manli GPU is unknown for now as it is not been reviewed AFAIK and this brand is just as unknown outside of China. However with 3 years warranty it hopefully should not be a problem.

Case in point, I got my Lenovo Y580 10 years ago when that brand was starting to get its foot in the global market (outside of its Thinkpads), had been using daily for 10 years now and it is still working fine. So Im optimistic this Manli GPU would serve me well for many years to come. As an unknown, it has my vote of confidence and I hope this review help out those budget gamers trying to squeeze as much performance for their money.

Okay guys, if there is any new info I will share here otherwise, peace out.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 26 2022, 01:48 AM

tq so much for the review.

thking shud go for c tier or b tier.

Its your money, so you decide best. But just know there is a RM 300-400 gap between brand tiers and for that you get a better looking cooler, RGB and more lighting effects (Palit's honeycomb light bar looks nice), some has longer warranty and easier to get aftersales service when needed, some might have better OC potential (I'd go for A tiers if that is important tho), some peace of mind going for a known brand even if its B tier, some might be using better components but without a teardown I cannot say mine is inferior or not.

Again none of these actually buys you significantly extra performance and if the pricing gap is big enough, you could even get a next level C tier GPU for the same price! See this example:
Zotac 3060Ti is selling for RM 1863
https://shopee.com.my/-ZOTAC-GAMING-GeForce...2a-8f0cd37d01f4
While
Manli 3070 is selling for RM 1838
https://shopee.com.my/-Manli-GeForce-RTX-30...6f-b179d0ba77fe

However if you can afford it and those reasons justify the price difference why not, but if you want stretch your money so far I see no wrong with C tiers, what with current GPU pricing and such.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 27 2022, 02:23 AM

Your brand tier classification is a big mistake. One should never classify any GPU AIB like this ; base on AIB brand alone.
Example , in my opinion , i will deem lower tier Zotac cards with the same GPU the same as your Manli and OCPC ones base on build quality.
I mostly look at the PCB and see what capacitors they use, power stages/discrete mosfets. Always compare to the FE models or reference models from Nvidia. That is the baseline. If AIB version uses inferior or less components than FE/reference , they are low tier.
Sometimes AIB like Gigabyte share the same PCB between two different model range ; Eagle and Gaming OC, but the amount of components populated on the PCB is different..
Another example is Galax , they look like lower tier AIB but their Hall of Fame series cards are excellent. Same with Colorful with their Vulcan OC series cards.

This post has been edited by k!nex: Dec 27 2022, 06:49 AM

^this is correct.
never rank AIBs with A B C tier. huge misconception on quality vs reputation.

for example, a 4090 FE has 20 phase where the DrMOS is MP86957 rated at 70A, a total of 1400A. the Gigabyte 4090 Windforce however, has an inferior 14 phase arrangement and an inferior DrMOS which is SIC653A rated at 50A providing peak current of 700A, half of what 4090 FE has.

in this sense if we label Gigabyte as "A-tier", it is suffice to say "A-tier AIB" is releasing an "F-tier card". well it's not since an F-tier card is F-tier regardless of which AIB is releasing it.

How about Asus TUF? I think minimum low cost should Asus tuf for longevity because I heard it got Japanese cap

k!nex lolzcalvin
Depends on how one looks at the GPU market scene.
I prefer to base my ranking on a few market perception;
1) Where the graphic card makers are from (China, Hong Kong, Taiwan)
2) Pricing levels of the GPUs
3) Availability in the global market
4) Availability on the local shelf space/online sellers
5) Mindshare of buyers

The rankings defo has no relations to board/product quality as I'm not a pro reviewer and have access to those better brands honking cards to compare with, I only have my Manli and I only comparing the PCB board itself, and that is just one part of the equation as again I cannot speak for the component parts quality as that also has a significant bearing to the overall quality.

Also I don't factor in outlier halo cards ie Colorful Vulcan or Galax HOF as the benchmark to their overall quality as their over top prices, overkill specs and rarity don't represent the majority cards which they sell to us plebs.

Imho Zotac, being from Taiwan, has mid-placed pricing, product stack with decent cooler looks plus RGB, quite frequently being reviewed in the Western world ie has brand presence in the West, more widely available stocks here both in shops and online. So imho that would put their brand at B tier as compared to Manli or OCPC which I only recently seen in some shops.

Whether A-tier brands do come shit products, yes they do, even Asus has plenty of Gigabyte level mobo but that doesn't change the fact they are still a premium brand that can command top tier pricing.

As to whether that ranking is accurate, well that's my POV.

own Galax dual before with single power pin. might this shared board and other similar manufacture. / Graphics Score 12063

then owning Palit Colorpop , with triple fans and dual power pin. 220+- Watt with this, overclock, performane got big different. cooling just almost same. in term of Palit Colorpop, this version come from GamingPro series. not like other dual fans version. / Graphics Score 12877

please tweak and OC , share your results. cannot wait..

This post has been edited by cawan: Dec 31 2022, 10:41 PM

I cannot confirm Asus TUF uses Japanese capacitors though. At least I know the RTX 3080 TUF does not. It has a lot of Apaq capacitors, they are from Taiwan . The Strix version however uses Panasonic capacitors, of course, there is a big difference in price though

See the round logo on the capacitor, that is Apaq company logo.

thanks. i wonder why so many miners swear by TUF brand

Interesting sharing. I suspect most dual fans will be set to 200W power limit while triple fan versions do see it up to 220-230W. My understanding from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N4_dMHpu1I is the additional power will enable the GPU to boost higher plus with the better cooling of 3x fans so even without user manual OC, the GPU can boost higher clocks and perform better.

While my Manli isn't obvious on the vid listing, you can take its representative in the PNY Uprising at the stock 200W Power Limit as they really the same GPU with even the same cooler. So basically the Manli is prolly has little to no headroom for OCing.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 6 2023, 02:03 AM