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TScnvery
post Dec 18 2022, 06:20 PM, updated 3y ago

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Hi all,

I'm interested in enrolling Doctor of Engineering/Engineering Doctorate (EngD)/Industrial PhD in IPTA at Malaysia.

Anyone knows which universities offers best academic experiences with flexibility of studying part time? biggrin.gif

Also whether is it worth to do it for next 5-10 years careers?

As I'm currently working full time, cant commit full time PhD.

Thanks in advance!

TScnvery
post Dec 21 2022, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(hellothere131495 @ Dec 18 2022, 11:48 PM)
Im not sure about the Eng.D

My personal experience of PhD in Engineering is... probably not worth it, but it depends.

This is why I think it's not worth it.

1. Time wasted. Experience worth more in engineering. Unless you want to become professor.
2. Money wasted. If you have GRA, it will be good, but those investment won't give better salary in my opinion. Not much benefit you got from your PhD.
3. Overqualified. Unless you have a job already. Else, if you study full time and then find a job, hard already. Nobody wants to pay you for something Master/B.Eng can do.
4. Lecturer position is hard to obtain. Teaching experience and good publication records required, not industrial experience.

However, if you can manage to skip Master, straight away go to PhD with GRA enough to cover your living expenses, and you can finish that PhD within 3 years, and you can secure a lecturer job with at least 5k salary, Yes, that PhD is worth it.
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I'm aware of the long journey, but willing to do so for my own interests (For my personal growth).

QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Dec 19 2022, 12:02 AM)
What engineering?

Based on my current experience, PhD is not for industrial practitioners. If you want to study PhD, the academic route should be your ultimate career. PhD explores the knowledge which the industry lacks knowledge on, which also means where the industry is currently not spending money on. Applying whatever you studied in the industry is usually not met with warm reception.

Also, it is generally not recommended to study PhD on a part-time basis. It'll take too long, it will distract you from getting fundings and sponsorships, and your budget will overblow due to inflationary pressure over the years, not to mention it'll be very physically and mentally taxing to do a 8-year (on average) part-time PhD while juggling with a full-time job.

But if you want to do it because you enjoy doing research, then go for it. But I'll still not recommend doing it on a part-time basis.
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Will be in Electronic Engineering (Major in Internet of Things) or Computer Science (Major in Data Science). Still wondering which one to go for.

I'm aware of the long journey, but willing to do so for my own interests (Not for academic route since I'm still in industry).

QUOTE(Human Nature @ Dec 19 2022, 09:23 AM)
Need to verify this. If I am not mistaken, even if you want to study as a part-time in IPTA, you will still be registered as a full-time student.
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Noted, will check on this. Thank you!

QUOTE(PV boy @ Dec 19 2022, 06:47 PM)
Go ahead lah bro, I know you have done your research on the programme itself so dont stop yourself if you are able to. Never think is that worth or not just think you can or cannot.
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Thank you!

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post Dec 21 2022, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(ike.tan @ Dec 20 2022, 10:51 PM)
Nope. For PhD studies, they allow you to take the part-time route. I did my PhD in UPSI (IPTA) and was registered as part-time.
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Thanks for the information.

QUOTE(ike.tan @ Dec 20 2022, 10:54 PM)
*4. Lecturer position is hard to obtain. Teaching experience and good publication records required, not industrial experience.*

Actually not entirely true. It depends on the university - some IPTA even prefer a mix of academic qualification AND industry experience. IPTS we prefer having BOTH if possible. I speak from experience especially when hiring candidates.

For engineering especially, under EAC rules - each programme MUST have a certain number of Professional Engineers. If you have that together with your PhD - you are good to go. The only problem is whether your asking salary is too high for the university to pay.
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Thanks for the information.

Currently I don't have Professional Engineer title yet (Either Ir. or Ts.).

Do you think is it worth to pursue Doctor of Engineering/Engineering Doctorate (EngD)/Industrial PhD in this case?

QUOTE(ike.tan @ Dec 20 2022, 10:57 PM)
What is your motivation for doing PhD? Is it for the sheer challenge of it or to open opportunities in academia one day.

Either way, if you have the time, money and motivation to do so - go for it. However, it is a VERY long journey and you are expected to keep your focus on the research at all times. Find a good supervisor rather than a good university. That will make your life easier.

Btw - in PhD, there is not really an academic experience per se. It's more of a learning, knowledge and research journey between you and your supervisor. It might be a real lonely path as you do not have classes nor classmates in that sense.
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I'm looking to force myself solve critical issues in Malaysia, but of course open opportunities in the future biggrin.gif

I'm aware of the long lonely journey, but willing to do so for my own interests (Not for academic route since I'm still in industry).

QUOTE(Human Nature @ Dec 20 2022, 11:11 PM)
Depends on unis then. I know for certain that one of the IPTA will still register you as full-time.
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Thanks for sharing.

What's real difference registering as full-time student in this case?

More tuition fees per semester?
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post Dec 22 2022, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(ike.tan @ Dec 21 2022, 06:06 PM)
Do you think is it worth to pursue Doctor of Engineering/Engineering Doctorate (EngD)/Industrial PhD in this case?

It really depends. If you want to keep the option open one day for a career in academia - then go for PhD. I am not sure about EngD or Doctor by Practice in Engineering btw. Maybe someone more well-versed in this area can assist.

However, the danger with Industrial Doctoral Degrees is that once you are no longer with the certain company, there could be some risks in the research continuity. If it is the same thing as DBa, then not an issue as it is not tied to an organization.

From MQA Standards - Master's and Doctotal Degrees 2021.
Industrial PhDs are, by and large, research degrees where the industry partners i.e., employers or a consortium of employers co-determine the objects of the doctoral study which are typically applied in nature.
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Thanks for the advices.

You highlight a good point, I cannot leave the company during Industrial Doctoral Degrees.

Will consider this part.

QUOTE(Human Nature @ Dec 21 2022, 06:19 PM)
'Expected' duration to graduate, see explanation by ike.tan below too. I did not check on if there is any difference in tutition fees per sem.
You are right, there is no maximum stated. Just a vague normal duration referred to as GOT (Graduate On Time)
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Thanks for your advices =)

QUOTE(ike.tan @ Dec 21 2022, 08:31 PM)
Ah - Maximum duration is prescribed by HEP not MQA.
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Thanks for sharing
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post Jan 10 2023, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jan 1 2023, 09:02 PM)
why the need for Engineering PhD? You want to become an academician is it?
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For own interest. I can get another PhD qualitfication despite can do without it. Getting into academic field is really optional for me.

QUOTE(holypredator @ Jan 5 2023, 10:37 PM)
If you are in the education line... then yes... give you a higher chance to be associate professor or professor in the future...

If you are in every other line then no.... it doesn't help SHIT.... you are better off getting CEng title..
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For my case, CEng title does not really helps in my current field.
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post Feb 7 2023, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(xenotzu @ Jan 27 2023, 09:59 AM)
Go for it if it is for your interest, but be careful if you can cope with it whilst working full-time.  I actually read for a part-time PHD out of interest at Malaya University some years ago, but have to give up after a year as I was too busy at work to cope with the research required for it.
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Thanks for the advice.

Will look into it.

 

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