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2.5L Petrol 2WD - RM219,108.52
2.5L Petrol AWD - RM243,670.74
2.2L Turbo Diesel AWD - RM 263,839.48
Prices are ON THE ROAD without Insurance
(including V-ZION Tint)
This post has been edited by Buydirect: Mar 17 2023, 01:58 PM
**ALL New Kia SORENTO MQ4 2023 **, It's now officially Launched in Malaysia
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All New Kia Sorento 2023 coming soon !!!! Stay Tune ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() UPDATED PRICES 2.5L Petrol 2WD - RM219,108.52 2.5L Petrol AWD - RM243,670.74 2.2L Turbo Diesel AWD - RM 263,839.48 Prices are ON THE ROAD without Insurance (including V-ZION Tint) This post has been edited by Buydirect: Mar 17 2023, 01:58 PM gobiomani and babisotong liked this post
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but... is the CKD follow the face lifted model or the pre face lift model and specs ?
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Where is the spec and price...
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dato BuyDirect.. kasi indicative pricing pls
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Still no news...seems like launch at end of Jan after CNY...
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Definitely gonna be my next Kia after Forte.. babisotong and Nikmon liked this post
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why so expensive?
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 13 2023, 05:09 PM) cannot expect Koreans to be as cheap as last time if they were to offer the full specsbut granted they are definitely better built that your equivalent Toyota or Honda just whether people mindset can accept the brand. if they can accept China brands, why not Koreans? babisotong liked this post
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220k above, ok bye bye
Wait for x90, 180k can get high spec I guess.. 220k for low spec Sorento....lol This post has been edited by Nikmon: Jan 13 2023, 07:17 PM |
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QUOTE(Colinlim75 @ Jan 13 2023, 04:41 PM) Bermaz business model is of High Margin, Low Volume. Hence, the pricing position. Colinlim75 liked this post
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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Jan 13 2023, 07:14 PM) 220k above, ok bye bye Compare the specs first. X90 will be using 1.5T engine, same as X50 if not mistakenWait for x90, 180k can get high spec I guess.. 220k for low spec Sorento....lol Sorento will be either 2.2 diesel, 2.5 turbo, or 1.6 turbo hybrid This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jan 14 2023, 01:17 AM babisotong liked this post
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jan 14 2023, 01:14 AM) Compare the specs first. X90 will be using 1.5T engine, same as X50 if not mistaken It is no longer compare able, different range.Sorento will be either 2.2 diesel, 2.5 turbo, or 1.6 turbo hybrid X90, CX-8 , Santa Fe, Tiguan.. Withe price from 220k above Sorento, BMW X1, volvo xc.... |
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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Jan 14 2023, 11:31 AM) It is no longer compare able, different range. if you want to put it that way.... you are paying 180k for a locally rebadged China car. still think you are getting a good deal? X90, CX-8 , Santa Fe, Tiguan.. Withe price from 220k above Sorento, BMW X1, volvo xc.... BMW X1 is much smaller sized than Sorento. XC60 starts from 320k, and its not a 7 seater. if you are saying XC40, again its a much smaller SUV and totally different segment from Sorento. Malaysians always like to use price as a comparison but forget to compare by spec or by segment. Also the obsession over branding somehow makes it justified to pay more for less. but if you ask me, i dont think X90 will cost 180k. more like 150 - 160k range This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jan 14 2023, 01:49 PM |
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jan 14 2023, 01:46 PM) if you want to put it that way.... you are paying 180k for a locally rebadged China car. still think you are getting a good deal? I just group the car by price only...it is standard when compare car nothing wrong .but if you ask me, i dont think X90 will cost 180k. more like 150 - 160k range At price above 220k, I think diesel may at 250k...ofcourse can compare with volvo x40, yeah smaller space..but more luxury with same price. Price of the car play certain role. Sorento is a good car lah. Let's book bah. This post has been edited by Nikmon: Jan 14 2023, 01:59 PM |
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jan 14 2023, 01:14 AM) Compare the specs first. X90 will be using 1.5T engine, same as X50 if not mistaken The new Sorento got 3 variants Sorento will be either 2.2 diesel, 2.5 turbo, or 1.6 turbo hybrid - 7 seater 2WD 2.5L petrol RM 220k++ - 6 seater AWD 2.5L petrol RM 240k++ - 6 seater AWD 2.2L Turbo Diesel RM 250k++ |
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QUOTE(1104255 @ Jan 14 2023, 02:25 PM) The new Sorento got 3 variants Good car but gonna be hard to compete in our market at those prices. Some will say its fully speced and 7/6 seater, but most people dont care. The price already put them off- 7 seater 2WD 2.5L petrol RM 220k++ - 6 seater AWD 2.5L petrol RM 240k++ - 6 seater AWD 2.2L Turbo Diesel RM 250k++ This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jan 14 2023, 03:09 PM |
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jan 14 2023, 03:08 PM) Good car but gonna be hard to compete in our market at those prices. Some will say its fully speced and 7/6 seater, but most people dont care. The price already put them off 7 seaterX90 - 150k CX- 8 - 177k Santa Fe -190k All space -200k Sorento - 220k Sorento is most expensive, with such uncompetitive price...how would the sale play out. Kia only have car above 230k for sale, except 1 CBU....Agent must be headache This post has been edited by Nikmon: Jan 14 2023, 04:14 PM iamloco liked this post
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jan 14 2023, 03:08 PM) Good car but gonna be hard to compete in our market at those prices. Some will say its fully speced and 7/6 seater, but most people dont care. The price already put them off Yes, it’s actually too expensive. But knowing Bermaz they have always priced their products out of the general mass market. LMAO. |
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QUOTE(iamloco @ Dec 25 2022, 10:55 AM) What a shame, i need to take this back.Poor strategy by bermaz. Good bye kia~ babisotong liked this post
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jan 13 2023, 06:28 PM) cannot expect Koreans to be as cheap as last time if they were to offer the full specs Price increase is expected as most cars are now getting pricier.but granted they are definitely better built that your equivalent Toyota or Honda just whether people mindset can accept the brand. if they can accept China brands, why not Koreans? But sorento's price jump is significant. Low spec sorenro rm220k vs full spec CX8 2.5T AWD rm220k.. amd mazda is touted to become a premium brand. Dont know what is bermaz strategy for KIA. Yes KIA is very reliable - i have a 6 yrs old kia with no mechanical issues. |
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 14 2023, 08:34 PM) Price increase is expected as most cars are now getting pricier. Yeah me too, been driving my 10yrs old Sorento with no issues at all, infact just repainted last month for a fresher look.But sorento's price jump is significant. Low spec sorenro rm220k vs full spec CX8 2.5T AWD rm220k.. amd mazda is touted to become a premium brand. Dont know what is bermaz strategy for KIA. Yes KIA is very reliable - i have a 6 yrs old kia with no mechanical issues. I doubt Kia would price much higher compared to other similar spec'ed brands. Is this price and spec confirmed for MY market? I couldnt find any official news on it, most of the article says TBC, btw. This post has been edited by VeeJay: Jan 14 2023, 11:48 PM |
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 14 2023, 10:02 PM) Yeah me too, been driving my 10yrs old Sorento with no issues at all, infact just repainted last month for a fresher look. Introducing the All New Kia Sorento 2023I doubt Kia would price much higher compared to other similar spec'ed brands. Is this price and spec confirmed for MY market? I couldnt find any official news on it, most of the article says TBC, btw. * 7-seater 2WD 2.5L Petrol - RM220K+ * 6-seater AWD 2.5L Petrol - RM240K+ * 6-seater AWD 2.2L Turbo Diesel - RM255K+ Estimated pricing of RM 220K - RM 260K Projected Delivery starting from March 2023 **FREE 5 Years services and FREE 5 Years Warranty or 100,000km (including labour,parts and lubricant). I guess the actual price will close to estimated. Similar with Carnival This post has been edited by Nikmon: Jan 16 2023, 06:19 AM |
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3 Variants will be launched for Malaysian market 7-Seater 2.5L Petrol 2WD Est Price : RM220K * 2.5L MPI PETROL ENGINE * 6-SPEED A/T * MAX POWER 177PS @ 6000 RPM * MAX TORQUE 232NM @ 4000 RPM * TOP SPEED 190 KM/H * 2WD * FABRIC SEAT (BLACK) * 18" ALLOY RIMS * DUAL LED PROJECTOR HEADLAMP * REVERSE CAMERA * SMART POWERED TAILGATE * LED REAR COMBO LAMP * 4.2 " INSTRUMENT PANEL * 10.25" CAPACITIVE TOUCH SCREEN * DUAL ZONE AUTO AIRCOND * AMBIENT MOOD LIGHTING * STANDARD 6 SPEAKERS * STEERING WHEEL with AUDIO / BLUETOOTH & CRUISE CONTROL * SMARTPHONE WIRELESS CHARGER * ADAS (HBA, BCA, RCCA, LKS, DAW, FCA with J/T, LFA, SCC with Stop & Go * EPB with AUTOHOLD * ISOFIX * REAR AIRCOND (2ND ROW) * AIRCOND WITH MANUAL CONTROL (3RD ROW) 6-Seater 2.5L Petrol AWD Est Price : RM240K Specs upgrade from 1st variant * 2.5L MPI PETROL ENGINE * 6-SPEED A/T * MAX POWER 177PS @ 6000 RPM * MAX TORQUE 232NM @ 4000 RPM * TOP SPEED 190 KM/H * AWD * LEATHERETTE SEATS (BLACK) * 19" ALLOY RIMS * SURROUND VIEW MONITORS * PRIVACY GLASS * 12.3" DIGITAL INSTRUMENT CLUSTER * BOSE 12 SPEAKERS * HEADS-UP DISPLAY * BVM (BLINDSPOT VIEW MONITOR) * REAR SUNSHADES 6-Seater 2.2L Turbo Diesel AWD Est Price : RM255K Specs upgrade from first variant * 2.2 TURBO DIESEL ENGINE * 8-SPEED DCT * MAX POWER 199PS @ 3800 RPM * MAX TORQUE 440NM @ 1750-2750 RPM * TOP SPEED 202 KM/H * AWD * LEATHERETTE SEATS (BLACK) * 19" ALLOY RIMS * SURROUND VIEW MONITORS * PRIVACY GLASS * 12.3" DIGITAL INSTRUMENT CLUSTER * BOSE 12 SPEAKERS * HEADS-UP DISPLAY * BVM (BLINDSPOT VIEW MONITOR) * REAR SUNSHADES * PADDLE SHIFTERS * TERRAIN MODE This post has been edited by Buydirect: Jan 16 2023, 05:20 PM Nikmon liked this post
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QUOTE(Buydirect @ Jan 16 2023, 05:16 PM) 3 Variants will be launched for Malaysian market Surround view camera is important for such big car, can upgrade from low spec? Need 7 seaters7-Seater 2.5L Petrol 2WD Est Price : RM220K * 2.5L MPI PETROL ENGINE * 6-SPEED A/T * MAX POWER 177PS @ 6000 RPM * MAX TORQUE 232NM @ 4000 RPM * TOP SPEED 190 KM/H * 2WD * FABRIC SEAT (BLACK) * 18" ALLOY RIMS * DUAL LED PROJECTOR HEADLAMP * REVERSE CAMERA * SMART POWERED TAILGATE * LED REAR COMBO LAMP * 4.2 " INSTRUMENT PANEL * 10.25" CAPACITIVE TOUCH SCREEN * DUAL ZONE AUTO AIRCOND * AMBIENT MOOD LIGHTING * STANDARD 6 SPEAKERS * STEERING WHEEL with AUDIO / BLUETOOTH & CRUISE CONTROL * SMARTPHONE WIRELESS CHARGER * ADAS (HBA, BCA, RCCA, LKS, DAW, FCA with J/T, LFA, SCC with Stop & Go * EPB with AUTOHOLD * ISOFIX * REAR AIRCOND (2ND ROW) * AIRCOND WITH MANUAL CONTROL (3RD ROW) 6-Seater 2.5L Petrol AWD Est Price : RM240K Specs upgrade from 1st variant * 2.5L MPI PETROL ENGINE * 6-SPEED A/T * MAX POWER 177PS @ 6000 RPM * MAX TORQUE 232NM @ 4000 RPM * TOP SPEED 190 KM/H * AWD * LEATHERETTE SEATS (BLACK) * 19" ALLOY RIMS * SURROUND VIEW MONITORS * PRIVACY GLASS * 12.3" DIGITAL INSTRUMENT CLUSTER * BOSE 12 SPEAKERS * HEADS-UP DISPLAY * BVM (BLINDSPOT VIEW MONITOR) * REAR SUNSHADES 6-Seater 2.2L Turbo Diesel AWD Est Price : RM255K Specs upgrade from first variant * 2.2 TURBO DIESEL ENGINE * 8-SPEED DCT * MAX POWER 199PS @ 3800 RPM * MAX TORQUE 440NM @ 1750-2750 RPM * TOP SPEED 202 KM/H * AWD * LEATHERETTE SEATS (BLACK) * 19" ALLOY RIMS * SURROUND VIEW MONITORS * PRIVACY GLASS * 12.3" DIGITAL INSTRUMENT CLUSTER * BOSE 12 SPEAKERS * HEADS-UP DISPLAY * BVM (BLINDSPOT VIEW MONITOR) * REAR SUNSHADES * PADDLE SHIFTERS * TERRAIN MODE |
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QUOTE(Buydirect @ Jan 16 2023, 05:16 PM) 3 Variants will be launched for Malaysian market So much pricier than the last gen UM 6-Seater 2.2L Turbo Diesel AWD Est Price : RM255K Specs upgrade from first variant * 2.2 TURBO DIESEL ENGINE * 8-SPEED DCT * MAX POWER 199PS @ 3800 RPM * MAX TORQUE 440NM @ 1750-2750 RPM * TOP SPEED 202 KM/H * AWD * LEATHERETTE SEATS (BLACK) * 19" ALLOY RIMS * SURROUND VIEW MONITORS * PRIVACY GLASS * 12.3" DIGITAL INSTRUMENT CLUSTER * BOSE 12 SPEAKERS * HEADS-UP DISPLAY * BVM (BLINDSPOT VIEW MONITOR) * REAR SUNSHADES * PADDLE SHIFTERS * TERRAIN MODE 1. cheap spare wheel, UM got full size spare wheel with alloy rim 2. Driver seats without thigh support extender, only 2 way lambda support. UM has thigh extender and 4 ways lambda support adjuster 3. Interiour light compartment has not no storage for sun-glass 4. No front heat and ventilated seats !! Fxxk !!! 5. At the back from 2 front seats without USB port, unlike the overseas high-spec version. Boss switch is there. 6. No KIA original thick carpet, Bermaz only gives maggie mee carpet Not so important features => (1) sun-roof (2) rotary gear knob (3) heated 2nd row seats (4) HUD These few I don't mind |
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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Jan 16 2023, 07:25 PM) Based on Kia Carnival KA4 8-seater Mid Spec, One owner has successfully upgraded the AV system to include the Surround View Monitor but that is an after-market solution and not one by KIA itself. |
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Santa Fe vs Sorento, the price different is almost 40k-50k...
Can be use to upgrade the car kao kao...down side is limited ADAS, old modal....but can save 50k woh. Diesels engine some more. Can give some comments..... This post has been edited by Nikmon: Jan 18 2023, 07:05 AM |
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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Jan 18 2023, 08:04 AM) Santa Fe vs Sorento, the price different is almost 40k-50k... Not worth the extra 50k IMHO. CX8 gives a far better value.Can be use to upgrade the car kao kao...down side is limited ADAS, old modal....but can save 50k woh. Diesels engine some more. Can give some comments..... |
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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Jan 18 2023, 07:04 AM) Santa Fe vs Sorento, the price different is almost 40k-50k... I am driving a 3rd gen Sorento UM, and my colleague recently bought a Santa Fe TM. I swapped my car with his for a test drive, and the following are the observations :Can be use to upgrade the car kao kao...down side is limited ADAS, old modal....but can save 50k woh. Diesels engine some more. Can give some comments..... 1. Sorento 2.2D is AWD, Santa (premium variant) is 2WD 2. Power/output, Sorento 197HP, Santa 190HP 3. Driving feel wise, actually the Santa drives better than my Sorento. Not sure that is because the Santa is new (less than 2k km ODO) and mine already with 55k km ODO. And the AWD system is taking a tol on the power delivery, it's more draggy from 0-50km/h when AWD is on. On the other hand, the 2WD system in Santa feel livelier, get go with less draggy feel. 4. Santa being half a gen newer than Sorento UM, it feel more upmarket inside the cabin. Outside it looks slightly better too. Sport rim also looks nicer. 5. Sorento UM (the facelift version) has full LED headlamp, but Santa looks like having halogen, it looks awful at night. 6. Fit & finish, Sorento is way better due to SKD (semi knock-down) or near CBU, against that of CKD for Santa. Santa has some squeaky noise here and there. 7. Handling, on town driving, Santa feel a bit better. Sorento feel much more nose heavy, don't know why. babisotong and Nikmon liked this post
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Why no hybrid version ? Save it for next 3 yrs?
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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Mar 16 2023, 09:52 PM) The car comes with FULL ADAS which comprise of latest technologies likeFCA - Front Collision Avoidance Assist with Junction Turning SCC - Smart Cruise Control LFA - Lane Keep Assist / Lane Following Assist LDW - Lane Departure Warning BCA - Blindspot Collision Avoidance Assist RCCA - Rear Cross-Traffic Collission Assist HBA - High Beam Assist MCB - Multi Collision Brake Control DAW - Driver Attention Warning If you compare with the previous generation UM, it does not have any of the ADAS features mentioned above. So one, has to look at the specs objectively. Anyway, for the 2.2L Petrol 2WD version, it comes with semi fabric and semi leatherette and not full fabric. |
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When I bought my forte, I’m eyeing on sorento, thinking after 10 years I can afford and able to get a sorento, but now… I can’t anymore …..
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QUOTE(Buydirect @ Mar 17 2023, 01:56 PM) The car comes with FULL ADAS which comprise of latest technologies like What is semi fabric?FCA - Front Collision Avoidance Assist with Junction Turning SCC - Smart Cruise Control LFA - Lane Keep Assist / Lane Following Assist LDW - Lane Departure Warning BCA - Blindspot Collision Avoidance Assist RCCA - Rear Cross-Traffic Collission Assist HBA - High Beam Assist MCB - Multi Collision Brake Control DAW - Driver Attention Warning If you compare with the previous generation UM, it does not have any of the ADAS features mentioned above. So one, has to look at the specs objectively. Anyway, for the 2.2L Petrol 2WD version, it comes with semi fabric and semi leatherette and not full fabric. Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in this car. But asking opinions here, so far never see a 220k D segment car come with fabric car seat in Malaysia This post has been edited by Nikmon: Mar 18 2023, 05:01 PM |
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