Updated as of 15 Dec:

Even though I mentioned that I don’t really want SUV, but I’m seriously considering Toyota Cross Hybrid right now, mainly because I also realised that the prices between City Hatchback Hybrid and Cross aren’t that much different when it comes to monthly instalments.

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Hi all,

I have been lookiing at Honda City Hatchback RS e:HEV. Is this worth it?

My main usage:
1. Drive to work, to and fro.
2. Don't really need to fetch anybody in the car.
3. City driving only; sometimes long distance (RARE)


Main Considerations:
1. Hybrid - probably saves some fuel? I know changing battery is expensive but this model comes with 8 years unlimited warranty, no mileage limits.
2. Toyota/Honda because of cheaper maintenance and generally these brands are very reputable and reliable.
3. My current very well-maintained Honda City is about 16 years old, and still works like a charm. Doesn't give me any problems (*touch wood*). So I wanna go back to either Honda/Toyota. I know in terms of driving comfort - Toyota is better right?
4. Hybrid cars are generally quieter. And most likely still will even if it goes up to 10 years old?

I did consider C-Segment cars - Honda Civic and Toyota Altis (Especially Altis cause i really really love the look). Should I look into these upgrade? Cause Honda City Hybrid costs about RM110K on the road.....

SUV(s) like HRV, Cross, Mazda, Subaru did cross my mind, but when i think about all the extra expenses and the fact that I don't really spend or drive that much. Seems like a NOPE to me.

Anyway, any comments, recommendations, experience sharing and etc?


Thank you!

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Dec 15 2022, 08:19 AM

All seems to be good choices. Just buy one u like and is pocket friendly to you. Highest risk whole be the city ehev for me due to extra electronic and battery.

Extra electronic? You mean the extra cost of electricity ?

set your budget first. too many options will make you confuse

These are the cars within my budget la.

How far is your work commute to and fro everyday?

Are you in jam everyday?


in my quest to get my car i've tested a few cars LOL. including the city ehev and the altis and the civic(normal one not ehev). No SUV tested though cause i dun like them LOL

How do they compare?
Not really in jam for now cause my working hours are early and I get to leave early. But who knows later?

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Nov 26 2022, 06:06 PM

X50

If you plan to change car after 5years then don't opt for Hybrid.
The pricing increase for Hybrid vehicle compare to normal engine model does not really save your money.
Instead you're paying a lot more just to make you feel like you're saving fuel money.
On rough calculation, the price different for hybrid model equal to 6-7 years of fuel money.

Purely. Personal. Opinion.
My use case is cross bridge everyday in Penang for work and also balik kampong monthly. haha


City EHEV
Feels better to drive than the non ehev city
Very big space in Bsegment. Honda always Duno how magic out space in their cars. I was abit hesitant on this cause I was thinking about battery health. I play RC stuffs, and number enemy of batteries is heat…. Malaysia = heat

Altis
It drives better than the city(it is a C segment). Doesn’t feel as powerful as the city, but it is very comfy, and also very confident in handling turns. Toyota assembly feels much tighter here compared to the city. No obvious loose buttons or rattles even after half year usage(friend has one). A very nice family sedan. With full safety suite and blind spot monitoring. The suspension is oh so good. Lol. Rear double wishbone. This car my stance is, comfort number 1? Then this is it. Also the newer batches have bigger head units which finally makes it acceptable for me. The original launch has a measly 7 inch display with big arse bezels lol.

X50
The engine and transmission is ok. Full suite safety as well. The interior finishings look nice. But once use hand to touch, it doesn’t feel solid. The touch feel does not match the look feel in quality. Example I hold the hand bar in the centre console it squeaks and creaks. I personally do not like cause it rides higher than the rest, so I feel chucked around when cornering.

Vios
I didn’t get to test this. Lol. So no feedback.

Civic
That engine powaahhhhhhhggh
But that cvt noise though…….. 😞
Somehow didn’t leave a memorable driving experience for me. Again Honda magic did its thing, the car has monstrous space to put all sorts of stuff in. Lol cubby holes and holders everywhere. I hate lanewatch, prefer blind spot monitoring.
Half digital cluster is less of a complaint, workable. I think the civic does not have lumbar support, while the Altis has it. My stance on the civic is it’s a very all rounder practical car that is able to satisfy the driver with some engine power, but also have space enough for family to not complain.

Mazda 3
Although not in your list, but as a comparison of moving up the price range gets you what. The mazda 3 basically gives you highest quality interior finishings, from a jap company, before stepping into premium cars like bmw or a merc/audi. Sitting inside I feel like a boss although I’m just a salarymen 😞😞🤣🤣🤣. The drive I can’t say much cause supply shortage cause me no test drive car to chuck around. The mazda 3 will turn heads wherever you go, lol especially if in red color. Can’t miss it. That 5 years free service is tempting though.


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Mazda 3 is definitely out cause I don’t wanna have high maintenance. I always sit my colleague’s car Mazda 3, doesn’t seem to impress me much. Also I prefer smaller car cause I don’t really use the car much and smaller car means less fuel consumption too! Haha

I suspect Altis Will be the most comfortable as well, this is because of the suspension. Honda suspension is harder and Toyota is softer iirc, thus the comfort.

I haven’t gone out to test yet honestly but I just wanna see if anybody who’s been driving hybrid cars has any further comments or suggestions or not. Petrol cars are just that’s that? The maintenance is pretty simple and straight forward. But for hybrid? I mean, I really wonder how about the maintenance of the battery and will it just randomly and always face breaking down issues or not? I know I can use petrol too at the same time.. so yeah.

Ohh, how about the resell value of the car?
I don’t know if I will change car after 5 years? I plan to use longer than that. Car is not something that I change like changing clothes like some people. I don’t need it to show off, I just need it to last, and doesn’t give me much problems with proper maintenance and all. In the long run it should save money? Unless I always need to change its battery or fix the battery then it will not be cost saving.

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Nov 26 2022, 07:09 PM

i jelly your colleageue got a mazda 3 =(

this gen city hybrid not really worth as the price is way more expensive than ICE version, if same price (previous gen) i will go for hybrid.

The price of city hybrid top up a bit can get 1.5na HRV

I’m not really impressed of the car though. Lol.
And I know down the line it won’t be worth it.

HRV is so expensive, and like I mentioned SUV is not my thing. I generally think that MY should follow Europe example and put high taxes for SUV and pick up trucks especially, less pollution.

Extra electronic modules, extra parts and system compared to fully petrol counterparts.
Means more parts potential to spoilt and these parts your normal mechanics mostly wont be able to diagnose after warranty ends for the car.

At the moment, EV and Hybrid pricing point is not for calculative budget person to own.

Those are for early adopter that have plenty of cash to burn/spend.

If you're just looking for a long run car and less headache car,
just get T or H brand in petrol version.

Within your budget, go test drive and think which 1 you will prefer to drive/look in long run. Think about the interior too because you will spend a lot of time driving and looking at it. Test the car in high speed & low speed, and best to test it during raining too.

buy d car u dont have. old city to new city
delivery wait how long nowdays aa

btw any hatchback variant, tyre road noise will enter from rear wheel well.
cannot avoid

At this moment in time, if you're not urgently need a car then you should wait for all new 2023 Vios(launched as Yaris ATIV in TH)

in youtube search THDM CAR REVIEW

Yes, wait for the all new Vios, seems nice

I saw the YouTube, from real Thailand footage. The interior looks so cheap? I always think between Honda city and Vios, City always has better interior.

not sure how interior feels, this you have to touch it yourself
your money you decides

based on videos from TH, exterior wise, 2023 Yaris Ativ definitely will moves more units than City

The plastic/vinyl finishing looks really cheap. That’s how I ended up with Honda City as my current car as well last time cause the vios finishing was really bad.

Haha! But it’s already end of the year as well, I will most likely make my purchase after a few months, in 2023 for sure. Maybe they will have a lot of discounts for the current vios already when the new model is about to arrive, which I don’t really mind.

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Nov 27 2022, 10:15 AM

See the quality, the interior quality is so much difference between the 2022 and 2023.
The 2023 one reminds me of Proton Saga interior quality.

Sorry if I miss out if you have stated, but what is your reason in looking for a new car? Since in your post you mentioned that your current Honda City is still working like a charm.

Probably cause it’s 16 years old!

It can go another 5 more, and who knows by then, you'll have better options with hybrids and electric when the tech and market have matured.

By that logic you will never buy a car, since every year new tech will always come out!

No no. I'm asking the question because in the original post, it is not specifically stated as to why she's in the market for a new car.

Of course we can assume she's just looking for something new, perhaps an upgrade, etc. But her post also mentioned that she does not spend or drive that much. Thus, the question lol...... and perhaps based on her replies, we may give additional feedback or suggestions.

If you are planning to have new car for more than 10 years, I would suggest you take Toyota Hybrid which provide warranty not just on battery only but also include inverter and power management control ECU (Honda warranty cover only battery unit).

I would suggest you to take Hybrid, because the future is moving forward to EV, hence Hybrid are the next move before convert to full EV. Take Honda and Toyota as example, Their top range model are hybrid (example HRV, Civic and Toyota Corolla Cross). Else you want to stick with petrol and not moving forward with the future

You don't need to worry about battery, take example for Toyota corolla cross hybrid. replacing a new battery from Toyota SC are costing RM8k (this is new battery, hopefully will get cheaper in the future since most of the advance car are using EV).
If you replacing refurbished unit outside, it just cost around RM 3K (this is something like we replacing aircon compressor either you take Ori or refurbished unit).

Below are some article for your reference
https://www.wapcar.my/news/used-hybrids-are...da-insight-7057

Since Toyota provide warranty 8 - 10 Years, battery life should last around 8 years. Once replaced you are good to go for another 8 years. Until that time, you might already change new car.

My 2 cents.

This post has been edited by ws_lim83: Nov 27 2022, 05:47 PM

Cause hand itchy, so I’m just scouting around. But like you said my car can easily outlast me. Cause it’s very well maintained, exterior interior and engines. No big or major repairs needed except parts that need to be changed due to wear and tear.

So far I’m really satisfied with Honda. Very reliable imho. At least this Honda City has been for me. *touch wood*

SUV is a nope for me. Hybrid or not.

The only reason I consider hybrid is whether or not it will save me money monthly. Lol, I don’t really care where the world is moving forward into the future, EV or Petrol or not.

Cause EV or Hybrid are just illusions. The world can never get rid of its reliance on fossil fuels no matter what. Every single food we eat, clothes we we eat, even the electricity that powers all the cars in the future, are all made possible with fossil fuels. Hahaha!

If you trace down every single chain of production of every single thing in this world, fossil fuels always go hand in hand in every little thing.

But back to the topic, SUV is nope for me. Reason is because the extra expenses are not worth it for me. Cause I don’t use the car much in the first place and I certainly don’t need to show off with a big car. I’m into hatchback size, nice and cozy, convenient and fits my needs.



This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Nov 27 2022, 07:28 PM

Any hybrid isn't worth it. Period.
Whatever fuel saving is fucked over by shit pricing and bad RV and it's likely to stay the same at least another 3-5 years unless there's huge government tax incentives and/or sharp increase in fuel prices.
Either which isn't likely to happen at least not drastically and not in the short term considering political instability and the crazy wealth gap we are experiencing post pandemic.

If you want a hybrid, you're only getting it because you can afford the luxury and/or electric instant torque.
Every other reason is just not valid/bullshit.

If your budget is 110k, you can rule out c segments.

What list of cars exactly you're looking at?
What exactly is your budget?

Within 5 years free service Mazda 3 isn't any much higher maintenance then other c segments.

In general, any c segments will be higher than your city petrol or hybrid.
They are all on similar levels of higher price and the maintenance will reflect that price.

Good you're not impressed as logically Mazda 3 is a driver centric car. It make sense at you're only a passenger.

If you prefer smaller cars, just forget any c segments.

Then i personally recommend you either:
1) keep your current city
2) change Proton Iriz, a spec below the active if you do hate SUV like me.
3) hybrid won't save you money. It's a luxury item for the rich. If you're rich, sure why not.

Yeah i personally also think Mazda 3 is over hyped. But my opinions aside, you could perhaps test drive it and have a more objective judgement towards that car.

That said, you could make it clearer that you absolutely hate SUV and will reject any SUV suggestions. It'll be easier for everyone. (Can't blame them, the market is highly in favour of SUV over sedan and small hatchbacks)

Yeah I heard that Mazda is a driver centric car. But the prices are way too steep, in terms of value for money, Honda and Toyota win hands down.

These days SUVs are way too popular. Lol. Don’t know what’s the hype with it except that it’s big and tall. And more emissions.

By the way what’s the instant electric torque that you mentioned?

No to Proton cars. Like you recommended, I either keep my current car. Or it’s back to Vios, City, City Hatchback or Yaris.

The only car that I might consider to upgrade from what I have is Altis.

I will have to go there personally to test them all out to see if I wanna upgrade or not.

Electric/Hybrid vehicles with motors powering the wheels have full max torque from standstill. Compared to a gasoline engine that needs to rev up to certain RPM range then only you will get the max torque.

A lot of people get hybrids partly cause of "fuel saving(which i think is being negated by high prices)", and also the instant torque. The feeling where at the traffic light when it turns green, and u step on the pedal and you FLY!!!!! with your back glued to the seat!

If even the new 2023 Vios doesn't entice you, then no to Toyota Vios/Yaris/Altis, no Toyota basically.

New city hatchback is pretty much plastic everywhere. Imho worse than current Yaris and new Vios will pull ahead on interior. So with this i take it you're bias in favour of Honda. (And that's very fine. My in law side exclusively only buy Honda cars and also happens to have a city hatchback)

Yeah you're no to Proton and no to 2023 Toyota Vios, make it easier for yourself : no Toyota. (Unless you're still open on that, then go test drive Toyota, and i HIGHLY encourage you to test drive the Proton Iriz)

Almost everything, except the bare metal chassis, is wear and tear. including the entire drive train and yes that includes engine and transmission.

Ok no hybrid it is
You can almost close topic already considering last part topic name

Yes Mazda 3 expensive cuz CBU. Your observation is correct and i also agree it isn't worth it.

Correction a bit, strictly In terms of value, only Proton and Perodua will win hands down because of our NAP. that isn't changing any time soon.

world is trending to SUV because ingress and egress of vehicle is easier, generally more spacious, higher position gets better view ahead and its more resistant to terrain issues such as floods.
I personally hate SUV (too) but it is what it is.

Explained by Ivan, hybrid and EV, their electric motors can produce 100% Rated torque (depending how powerful the motors are) instantly as opposed to waiting RPM to climb on internal combustion engines (ICE)

so let's sum it up:
1) (assumption) budget under 100k
2) no c segment
3) no Toyota
4) no city sedan
5) no Proton
6) no hybrid
7) no SUV
8) considering reliability, conti are out
9) Koreans also out as they no longer selling hatchbacks

so you only got maybe... City hatchback full spec
Process of elimination

Or keep your current car, see what the future holds after 1-3 years later.

Just curious, how come MYVi is not under your recommendation list? Vs Iriz.

later u say downgraded pula

No amount of forumming can explain what is Electric instant torque feeling. The only thing similar is Diesel turbo when you mash the throttle, even then there is a split second quicker of instant-ness from Electric motor. I used to race RC car's competitively and I know what an electric motor rush is like compared to a gas powered engine.

So, the only real way of doing this properly is going to the showroom or at least call for a test drive. And make sure the car is bloody charged up by having it sit in idle for a long time.

The part with hybrids vs fossil fuel is that you may want to bet that petrol prices could increase to Rm4-6 per liter and at that time, it is very economically viable to own a hybrid. BUT this day may or may not come, and is very much under politically control and will. Personally I am for this, because I want to see petrol subsidy monies being used for infrastructure and education. But it is unlikely to happen. still, a bet is a bet. If eventually the government reduces the petrol subsidy, they can actually offset this with reduced hybrid tax. Of course it does not benefit the lower income group but perhaps it is a good way to wean us off fossil fuel dependency.

But, if you are left with Altis, I say its a great upgrade from a 16 y.o City. I will upgrade based on safety rating alone, and its various active and passive safety features. Survivability is much higher in a new metal chassis. But I drive my whole family in that thing and really I think the feeling of safety is utmost importance for me.

Likely you will spend a bit more petrol expense with it, or at least be prepared for it.

It is very comfortable, and longevity wise it will probably last another decade, easily.

With this contrasting condition, I may try and get a hybrid if the price is right - hence perhaps sticking with your current car is not too bad an idea, if you don't actually drive a lot.

living northern rely on personal transportation very much.
public bas, teksi grab those coverage are not wide.
so continue with old city. since d resell price are steady even u sell now or later on

git money to spend insist want buying car, pick the one u dont have before.

I have absolutely zero interest in anything Perodua offer.

They move people, that's just about it. Anything to do with driving enjoyment is completely out the window

And all the driver assist (filling spec sheets) to me are mere gimmicks when even the basic braking systems leave a lot to be desired. (Very poor compared to their Proton counterparts)

Their newer DNGA based vehicles may be a lot better, however they are all huge SUV and MPV which again, zero interest.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 28 2022, 12:29 PM

just buy the ORA good cat. go EV all the way, dont need to pay taxes, life's too short to just stick with ICE

Spare parts would be an issue
Charging stations being very limited whilst fast charging station being priced too high

ev got road tax one. kira by kilowatt
jpj register

You want to know the magic? Just see the door panel how "thick" is it compared to others.

How much is the road tax?

Thanks oh! I reckon that since my Honda is already 16 years old, even if I get city or vios now , it’s considered an Upgrade, let alone segment-c Altis!

Yeah I think I should look into the Hybrid options, which leave me with City, City Hatchback, HR-V & Cross only at the moment.

I really like the new HR-V, but my only qualms with qualms with HR-V is, it’s a waste of money for me since I most likely just buy and leave it in the parking, cause I don’t drive much. And all the expenses will definitely increase with SUV. It would be a splurge car just for the sake of splurging money.

See how la! Hopefully there will be good news next year!

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Nov 29 2022, 11:02 AM

https://www.jpj.gov.my/en/web/main-site/ken...tion-guidelines
refer first pdf
summary: 80 kilowatt (80,000w)below are less than rm100.
80kw onwards become incremental

considering this ya:
they aren't much of an upgrade
UMWT Altis is really short changed without dynamic force engine and there is simply a Civic sitting around that offers much better drive train and value as an all rounder car.

B segments, you're just side grading sitting at same segment just renewing/refreshing your current vehicle.
which isn't really needed considering your statements of:
1) the car is working fine no issues
2) you don't need a vehicle to show off
3) you seem calculative and/or financially sound

and that boggles me on why hybrid when it's NOT financially sound AT ALL.

now while i personally hate SUVs, i don't find your reasoning on SUV logical at all. because SUVs are much difference when it comes to expenses or maintenance. they aren't that much heavier than regular sedans, they don't exactly consume much more petrol than regular sedans. only maybe obvious difference when it comes to expenses and maintenance are tire and absorber replacements which, you don't exactly replace them every year either. considering your under utilization statement, you're probably only replacing the tires 4-6 years later, absorbers maybe never even until after you sell car since you're probably also not sensitive to ride & handling degradations.

By taxes I mean EV got tax exemption now for 3 years , you don’t pay the 120% tax for non local cars

Cause I like the sound. As in the car produces no noises. I mean there are, but it’s almost silent, unlike petrol cars. Hehe!

I’m careful with my finance planning, but once in a while I splurge too just for something I really like, as long as it’s within my capability.

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Nov 29 2022, 01:52 PM

Have you ever spent over 1 hour in a hybrid car in a traffic jam?

The amount of time meaningfully hybrid car can stay silent is kinda limited. When it start charging during idle (especially those with small 1.5L engine, it rev pretty hard during charging), it is very noisy and awkwardly odd.

Hybrid shines when you are in mid/low speed 40-60km/h consistently. Traffic light/junction stop for 30-40 seconds, and start driving again.

Long idle stop, and higher speed are both no ideal for hybrid.

that is fair enough and sheds a lot more light on your requirement.

considering this new information, you may want to avoid small b segment hybrids such as city hatch, and consider larger hybrids such as Civic eHEV.
or potentially all out EV that does away with ICE completely.

2023 Toyota Prius has been launched and you can also hope and wait for UMWT to bring in.

ora good cat 😗

No don’t have. Cause everyone around me is still using petrol cars.

in Malaysia, buying car is not really a spur of the moment or an impulsive purchase, at least for me.

Representing almost 1 year of my nett pay, any car is a 10 year commitment. So I wouldn't do it on a whim, even if my car is already 16 years old.....

I'd try to justify my financial goals vs getting a new car just for the sake of the enjoyment.

It isn’t an impulsive purchase for me either, if it was I would have changed my car long time ago. This has gone through careful considerations. So yes at the moment I do want to change, that’s why I’m seeking for options and suggestions and opinions. I will weigh the pros and cons or just stay with mine after all, and I will just save more money for something else.

It’s not a MUST change, but I’m comfortable enough to afford one among other things.

Are you considering a used car?

Maybe I misinterpret your indecision on which model as considering an impulse purchase. My apologies. If you are so open and wide as to what models to consider then I suggest NOT to discount the x50. In my mind, 50k - myvi. 70k Yaris, 100k x50 for small size, Alza for big size, 130k Civic or Corolla or Corolla cross hybrid. In my personal scenario I have 4, Myself, wife, teenagers x2

No never. It’s more hassle than anything.

rather take the 16 y.o. city
XD

If you dont drive much, why do you want to buy a hybrid?

Hence my subtle message not to discount Proton Iriz lol

X50 on the other hand is a bit on the risky side and the long ass wait before you can even begin your ownership process.
I guess not to mention my general hatred to SUV doesn't do the X50 any favours.

Contemplated to get another spare car hence the Proton Iriz.

i was actually open to Perodua since wife and in law side favour Perodua so we went to test drive Myvi and Axia just to be sorely disappointed.
Went to try out the new 2022 Iriz and was pleasantly surprised on how the NVH and overall ride & handling even further improved.
Same sentiments applied to both myself and wife.

Including the dreaded punch CVT?

I’m gonna be honest, if I had to go for IRIZ I’d rather listen to Bobby Ang, get a Saga and wait for the right financial situation to get a Civic lol.
I don’t wanna pay rm40-50k for a car I’m horribly not in love with looks wise. There I said it. I also do hate fugly cars , especially at the wrong price.

Yeap! Punch CVT was really good post Geely and every MC update it can still improve.

So good it makes the new Myvi CVT felt like punch CVT when it first released on Saga FLX many many years back.
Utter rubbish.

Well looks are subjective and to me it isn't a priority. That said, i think the Iriz looks much better than the Myvi. Maybe again with biases of how well the car drives from very first model (yes, even with pre Geely dreaded punch CVT Vs Myvi 4AT OF ANY generations) until the latest model. I heavily prioritize in a car ride and handling above anything else.

Follow your heart. There isn't a right or a wrong when it comes to cars, go with something you like/enjoy.

Personally, I'd stick to Proton / Perodua if my budget is around the RM100k region. I don't see a point in spending money on a H/T B-segment car when Proton already does a good job at an affordable price point there. The extra cash can go into something else, saving for a rainy day etc. The exception being if you require/prefer an SUV.

This post has been edited by ragecat: Nov 30 2022, 12:04 AM

Yeah the updates to Persona/Iriz made the CVT much much better in terms of refinement
Sos, drove a preve before.

Still the high RPM while cruising hurt the fuel efficient of the Persona, one of my friend just sold off his Persona of 2 years after complaining of high fuel consumption when travelling at highway speed, in the end trade in & bought a 2nd hand Vios.

If I have a Rm100k budget I will definitely not stick to Proton and Peroduo, considering the two Toyota and Honda are more reliable and probably last longer.

no reason to buy hybrid if your purpose is fuel saving but doesnt drive like 80km per day or more.

usual commute of 20km or 40km ( due to wide spread of MRT/LRT) means just get the usual cheaper petrol honda city/vios.

cheaper to buy/maintain

Actually, not really much more reliable.
And even if you replace a Proton engine, it'll still be cheaper than T&H counterpart

But yes, brand perception and if you think the additional 30-40k++ is worth it, then go for it!
For me, i definitely don't think you get 30-40k additional "worth"of car. So unless i go up c segment or other categories of vehicles (eg: actual sports cars), P1/P2 will always have an edge on pricing and value due to our NAP protecting them.

Disagree, the reliability for P1 and P2 is quite good now. the 40k difference you save can be used for reliability repairs if you are worried or other things you enjoy in life. Best thing for you is to test drive each car by visiting all of the dealerships with an open mind

according to your driving usage vs cost, skip C segments, skip SUV. those are costlier to maintain over time. stick with thr city hybrid. use for 7 years as you planned, then trade it in before the warranty runs out. despite all the negativity in forums, people who had used electric or hyrbid cars will almost never go back to petrol. that says a lot.

No problem. Just basing off my experience. I clocked 200k km in 3 years on my gen2 (hand me down 7 year old car) with no major issues during my uni days. Also we have an Iriz and Persona, both 7 years or so, running without any issues.

Between the Jap and local B-segments, I'll go for the Proton as I don't see a point in paying the RM30-40k more for something just a little better. I don't think brand matters much when it comes down to Jap / local B-segment cars. This is my perspective but I may be bias as I do have other cars to use.

If you aren't sure of what to get, its always a good idea to rent it for a day just to play around. I cancelled the CX30 after 6 months (car just arrived as well!) of waiting in favour of a vehicle I rented during a recent holiday.

Edit: on your choice for City Hatch Hybrid, I wouldn't pay the RM110k asking price. Test drove it recently and I don't think feel like its an upgrade over my 11 year old Honda Insight. Either the Cross or the Altis would be a better choice, imo.

This post has been edited by ragecat: Nov 30 2022, 03:36 PM

an Insight is a much bigger car though

Yeah wor, insight is a bigger car though. It’s like comparing an orange with apple, not the same segment. Of course Altis and cross, hybrid or not will be better than City or Vios la.

Whoops, my bad. Did not know the Insight falls under C-segment as it sure does not feel like one! In any case, new tech should feel like an upgrade over 11 year old tech kan? Maybe a better comparison would be the Civic Hybrid (haven't test drive) or the Cross Hybrid.

Im driving city hb rs. So, I might be biased.

My previous car is 1.5 MyVi. Test drived City HB RS, Yaris and Cx-3. At the end I chose City HB due to the cabin feeling (yaris seems to be outdated — my own feeling/ opinion) and no “hold brake” functionality which is one of requirement. City HB is definitely more spacious than CX-3.

In term of petrol. I rarely need to go to the petrol station. God bless hybrid! 23.5km/l.

I guess it’s true. I wont go back to the normal one. Hybrid all the way!

Anyways. The best is still for you to test drive all of your options and make your own decision. You’re the one going to pay for it once you signed the agreement, not the forummers. Lol.

Did you consider Toyota cross? The price differences between the two aren’t so huge.

Since I have been driving Honda car for 16 years. I have been thinking to just go Toyota for a change but the only hybrid they have right now is the Cross.

Honda city has always been very fuel saving. Even my current Honda city goes about 18-20KM/litre iirc.

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Dec 4 2022, 10:05 AM

I respect your opinion on how it looks but the 2023 Vios to me is merely following contemporary design trends. Noticed how the interior is more simplistic or minimalist, like the interior that Mazda's have been lauded for in recent years. However, you don't like Mazdas either so it's no wonder you didn't like the 2023 Vios as well. In fact, Mazda have been doing this for so long that some people already got bored of it and thinks they are outdated! The other contemporary design trends are the squint headlights and taillights, clamshell bonnet and the smaller horn button cover area in the middle of the steering. You will notice the same familiar design trends in a lot of new car models.

Since you are still looking for a clear excuse to change your car, besides hybrid tech, you can consider turbocharged ICE too. They feel quite different from NA ICE. I could almost consider them in a class of their own in terms of driving feel, in the same way I would separate the EVs from the ICEs. The Almera (recommend the full specced VLT variant) can be considered. Peak torque comes at 2400 rpm (which is considered late compared to other turbo offerings that usually come before 2000 rpm). As a result, you get an "effortless" city driving feel, whereas in NA, the engine has to "scream" at over 4000 rpm for peak torque. Even better you go for HR-V E variant or Civic. These can push you back against your seat when accelerate out of toll booth. Golf R-Line is also an option but later you need to find a way to retrofit ADAS system into the car to be safe.

I’m driving the rline now. There are 3rd party installers for almost every missing system . Lol

I’m not so advanced la, with all these torques thing, I don’t mind minimalistic designs but I’m referring to its quality. I remember last time I was choosing between Honda city and Toyota Vios in the past and when I saw the interior build quality, it turned me off. The Honda city has better quality in terms of its built.

What is ICE though?

ice cream 雪糕
internal combustion enjin 内燃引擎

Ice cube 😂

Internal Combustion Engine (ICE)

I rather go for City RS than Vios cus I`m more to the Honda Sensing features and fuel saving. dont like to go petrol pump.

i belive you using old city with IDS engine? with 12 spark plug? that engine is very good in fuel consumption but due to much of spark plug they drop it.

maybe City RS would suit you.

my 2cent

VTEC.

You know what’s funny is that the City RS instalment is only RM400 cheaper than Corolla Cross considering all interest and period remain the same. It’s always only about RM400 difference.

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Dec 6 2022, 08:28 PM

Well he should try the newest Persona/Iriz.

I drove highway at 100KMH-110KMH the RPM is at 2.5-2.8.

Miles if full time highway drive I can get 500KM per tank with approximately 6 litres left in the tank.
This is with Proton for some crazy reason upsize the wheel to 16 inch.
I believe more miles to be extracted if it is 15 inch wheels.

Like many have said, the newer pesona/iriz is really step forward versus their older model
Happy user here since the handling is top notch (that is with even the exec china tires, I change to eagle f1 sport). Too bad proton did not made the top end version in normal hatch form. Maybe they think SUV look/style is the way to go in the future.

This post has been edited by minizian: Dec 14 2022, 01:02 PM