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post Mar 4 2023, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(SharpSword @ Mar 3 2023, 08:44 PM)
It's laughable that someone is trying to proclaim his righteous living and raising up the issue of morality in particular sexual sins. Any way who ask and neither are we interested in whatever sins you were bound in. God is not interested either in putting out dirty linen and certainly not in the business of shaming and embarrassing people because of their sin. But sin is sin and His holiness endures forever. God instead brings mans attention to his bondage to sin as a fact he is an unregenerate sinner in need of forgiveness and cleansing(freedom) from sin.He highlights the problem of sin because He desires to forgive and free the sinner of their sin. His motive is always redemptive and not for personal vendetta. Actually the one that accuses a person to condemn such is no less Satan who is also called the accuser of the brethren. And those who boast of their moral standards are no less the Pharisees. When we boast we are in danger of falling.
So we speak of those things which we know are true in Christ. Not that it serves to validate us but our aim is that the Word of God is validated.
In truth if one has an issue of sin in their personal life they aught not to be teaching the Holy Scriptures. It is presumption to do so. Take a sabbatical, have a rest and deal with the issue of sin first.Once you have overcome then share your experience but not as that which entitles you to say whatever you fancy. In the OT the priest wore on their headgear the words "holiness to the Lord" as a reminder of how they were to carry themselves in their service to God.
As one who was unsaved once I have had my share of the sins that entangles mankind so easily. But after my conversion it was clear to me the issue of sin and how believing the Gospel of Christ  affords the believer both pardon and freedom from sin. Otherwise it would be strange that God only pardoned but did not set us free from sin. But as surely as the Israelites were saved by the blood of that first passover lamb and were also surely delivered from their bondage under the hand of Pharaoh, so no less every person that is saved by God. Being freed from sin is not some kind of wishful thinking for the born again believer but is the direct result of the indwelling Spirit of God. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ sets us free from the law of sin and death. Just like you don't have to convince your self mentally that the laws of sin and death exist so too there is no need to psyche one up on the reality of the law of the Spirit. Otherwise its like trying to convince ourselves on the existence of the law of gravity. Law operate independent of one's state of mind. In fact a person's mind changes so often it would be utmost unreliable to base any kind of truth on the function of one's mind and especially so when referring to the issue of one salvation. The scripture is very clear :faith, salvation, forgiveness, deliverance from sin are all realities that have been forged in the realm of one's spirit. Otherwise even a child could not be saved except for the likes of a professor. But we see Christ tells us differently that unless we become as little children we could not enter his kingdom. We are saved by the revelation of God's truth as something that must transact in the spirit of a person  and not just in the mind. And that which is in the spirit of a man must necessarily guide his behaviour and this being the reason we argue that faith must go hand in hand with obedience as obeying the one we believe in. We cannot be said to only believe Christ where he speaks on the forgiveness of sins but at the same time refuse when he taught on matters such as sin, hell, repentance, wealth, relationship, prayer, marriage, servant hood, his deity, stewardship, the nature of God and His kingdom, the matters of the last day's etc etc etc. There is no such thing as selective faith as far as the scripture is concerned. To believe in Christ is to have complete trust in him  who is no less very God himself. And no man could call another God save he is willing to submit in faith to every thing that concerns Him who is God. Otherwise then God be no longer God. In this case who really is god but the unrepentant sinner himself.
So these brings to a close all I need to say in this thread as I observe some are adamant to propagate false doctrines here. To such let me bring your attention to the warning and judgement that awaits all false teachers as stated in Rev 2:20-23.
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your comment resonate with me but too tldr..

i like to add something

if u are saved, u will not have any desire to sin

if u hv no desire to do something, will u still do it? same thing applies with sin

like watching porn, if u under grace u lack the desire to watch it anymore

i said that bcoz i was porn addict, but now no more (for years edi still no desire..)

if u under law, u will still desire to watch porn and will fall into sin

so the law become your curse or stumbling block
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post Mar 6 2023, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 28 2023, 12:43 PM)
When you are strong, God backs away, but when you cannot, God comes in - The working of God's Spirit

2 Corinthians 12:9 (NIV) - But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Hi Everyone, God's Grace to you and your love ones.

Today we will talk on how to get God's Holy Spirit to work in us. 2 Corinthians 12:9 tells us how. God will not work in you if you try to be strong in yourself.  As Christians, we need to always come to a place of vulnerability. There will be people who don't like this. Nobody likes to be vulnerable but it's the only way for God to work in us.

In the natural we may feel ashamed for weaknesses but not so with God. God delights in our weaknesses. God loves to use the weak things. So if you have many many weaknesses, guess what? You're a good candidate for God to work in.

And it's vital to understand unless God works in the person, there can be no fruits or results. We all want changes, we all want obedience and repentance even.
For that to happen, God must work in your life. <==Where is the basis for this theology that says unless God is the one, you cannot?

Well look at this verse.

Philippians 2:13 (NIV) - for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

And this verse.

John 15:5 (NIV) - “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

With all that being said it is also important to know; in order for The Holy Spirit to work in you, you need to be connected to God. I mean that is obvious.
And in order to be connected to God, you need to know your new position in Christ

As believers in Christ, you must understand your sins have been put away by Christ's blood on the cross. This will take a bit of explaining. But it's important to know.

Our new position = We have been washed cleaned. This is the position you must hold fast to. Don't allow anyone to convince you out of it. You need to repent and believe this. I'll explain later why this is important.

As born again believer, you may not be perfect and may fail here or there. But understand your new position. Your failure(s) does not define you. Christ Jesus now defines you. <== This.
The bible states very clearly. Christ is not going come down from heaven again to die on the cross every time you fail.  The Salvation offered on the cross is not confined to the limit of time nor natural space. It avails anytime anywhere.
As born again believer, If you failed, Pray like this; " Abba in Heaven, I thank you for the cross. The sin (you can name it, whatever it was) that I've just committed has been judged by you at the cross and has been redeemed by Christ's blood. I receive your forgiveness and repent of it, help me to move on by your holy spirit.

Then pray this prayer.

"Abba in Heaven, I have no power to overcome this sin. I have absolutely no strength to abstain from it. I will surely fail if I even try to abstain. I ask for the work of your Holy Spirit in this weakness. Take away that wrongful desire or sinful desire. I don't want it. According to your word, I gladly admit this is my weakness, let your grace and strength rest on me. Fill my mind with what is only virtuous, good and clean thoughts from heaven.

It may be a bit confusing at the beginning but just understand 2 fundamental truth.

1. Christ Jesus has taken care of your sin. Don't try do anything to contradict this.

2. God's Holy Spirit will only work in you when you relent and surrender that you cannot.

Why is weakness so important? God cannot save the person who is strong. As analogy, You cannot save a drowning person who is struggling with his might, both will be in danger of drowning. You can only save when he/she stops struggling and allow to be saved. Hope this simple analogy helps.

God's principles is the opposite of this world. In this world, we look to the strongest, the  fastest, the tallest. What Man esteem is something that God doesn't.

Anyway, there you have it, the working of God's Holy Spirit. This is how we get to repentance and obedience.

God Bless.

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this one resonates with me.

hope other christians understand this

u need to be weak and helpless like a child

a true christian is someone who is weak and humble all the time

a true christian is honest and says to himself and to God that he cannot stop sinning

never relying on his strength for his righteousness and never want to judge others


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post Mar 8 2023, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 7 2023, 07:23 PM)
None of the saints are in heaven yet.
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Moses and Elijah disagreed wit u since they met Jesus in the mount of transfiguration

unless u said God pluck them out from hell beforehand..

and wat about Lazarus who resides in Abrahams bosom according to Jesus?

that cannot be in hell isit?
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post Mar 8 2023, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 8 2023, 04:08 PM)
Question is: Is Abraham's bosom or Sheol heaven?
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okay then so when Jesus said to the crucified criminal today you will be with me in paradise

can't be Jesus in sheol too?

and Moses and Elijah still waiting for your answer brows.gif
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post Mar 13 2023, 10:21 AM

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let us all christian become humble

not one for seeking men's honor bcoz u feeling u have superior knowldege or wisdom

salvation doesn't come by way of knowledge or wisdom

but by faith

for God says in Isaiah 66:2

"But this is the one to whom I will look:
he who is humble and contrite in spirit
and trembles at my word"
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post Mar 14 2023, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 14 2023, 10:05 AM)
[Anyway, back to relationship, do you know, you need set aside a time to spend time with God?
You need to get used to spending time with God and I can tell you, this takes effort. It's not easy at first but as you practise doing this frequently, it gets easier.
i don't like what u say

because wat u say is true indeed

but i struggle to do that
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post Mar 14 2023, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 14 2023, 10:43 AM)
Start from small. Couple of minutes. Don't look down on even 1 or 2 minutes. <==Consider it as important.

Once you get used to the few minutes then slowly expand your time to 5 minutes, then 10 mins, later 15 mins you get the idea.

If you don't know what to pray or say, just read the Bible in those quiet time with God. When you have the urge to pray, then pray.

My advice is this.

Before you begin, pray ask for the Holy Spirit to pray with you and through you. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in communion with God the Father.

Then fire away, read the Bible while your mind is on God all the time. If feel like praying, let it out.  thumbsup.gif
Note: Spending time with God should only involve you and God so find a place, can be in car, room, wherever possible.
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tough man

i have zero desire like i have zero desire to take a cold bath at night

but i try yes keep on trying
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post Mar 14 2023, 01:51 PM

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what is our spirit exactly?

spirit is different from soul

i believe soul is our conscience, character, emotions, intellect

Jesus said to worship God in spirit not in soul.

an unbleiver has a dead spirit
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post Apr 7 2023, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Apr 2 2023, 01:39 AM)
Has anyone heard of the chosen ones? what i've been experiencing since a few years ago matches the signs, i'm not even christian
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wat chosen one?

as a christian first thing u will learn is u are a nobody
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post Apr 20 2023, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Apr 17 2023, 05:31 AM)
Some people know about the chosen ones and can sense us, out of envy some of them try to convince us that we are no different, but some of them aid us because they want to be a part of it. I am not aware of any superior trait I have, I wasn’t even Christian and I’m not a bible hugger, maybe Christianity isn’t relevant at all, nobody knows why we are chosen except the universe itself
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u don't have any superior trait but just a wretched soul like me and all others

u stand to be condemned unless u believe in Jesus Christ and repent from your worldly life while u still alive
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post Apr 29 2023, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 29 2023, 10:48 AM)
I take note you're talking from Buddhist POV. Keyword = Suffering. I'm  familiar with such argument.

Not so for Christians. We have the second Adam (Christ Jesus)

John 10:10 (NIV) - The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

All born again children of God are restored back to what was lost by Adam. We are secured by God himself.

All sufferings and the system of this fallen world will end with new Heaven and Earth.

Your argument is lopsided.
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bro u are the leader here

u gotta be tough on people who are tryin to mislead here with nonsense

just remove em
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post May 17 2023, 07:48 AM

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on the recent ruling concerning the use of the word Allah

the bible never mentioned we should call God God or Allah

but instead, we need to call Him Abba, Father, or Dad
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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ May 20 2023, 10:09 PM)
No. Actually our conscience, character, emotions & especially our intellect comes from the brain.

That has all been proven by science. You have received a very poor education.

If certain areas of your brain are damaged, you cannot even experience certain emotions, like fear, happiness, etc.

You cannot even form proper sentences if your brain is damaged.

If you have a ‘soul’, you should have no problems behaving normally, even if your brain is damaged. How come that is not the case?

Do you know that some people experience severe personality changes after a stroke?

Memory can also be affected, if your brain is damaged. Have you seen what dementia does to a person?

Why would that be a problem, if all your memories are stored in your ‘soul’?

Answer me, what is spirit? Have you seen a spirit? How do you measure spirit? How do you proof you have one?

What is a soul?  Have you seen a soul?  How do you measure a soul?  How do you proof you have one?

How do you proof that an unbeliever has a dead spirit, but yours is ‘alive’?

You are not making any sense! It’s when people like you, who passes off such foolish statements as ‘facts’, that gives us Christians a bad name.

Stop making outrageous & unproven claims. Claims are not evidence.
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Why, my soul, are you downcast?
Why so disturbed within me? - bible

shows emotion is soul. and i believe bible more than science.

fear Him that is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. - bible

Jesus created you and He can determine when you will not be able to use your soul properly again.

about spirit, imo, spririt is the awareness of God. A dead spirit is one who no longer believes in God. and lives according to his self-will

the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom - bible

If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before you. - bible

so why do you seek to reconcile with the world? to the world we chrstian are stupid

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post May 21 2023, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ May 20 2023, 11:32 PM)
true Christian this, true Christian that,  rolleyes.gif  . . . . yeah, I agree that we should always be humble, but what we shouldn't do, is to check our brains at the door, before entering church  doh.gif

do you notice all the highlighted parts in red?

'weak', 'don't use wisdom' ( might as well say = dumb), a 'nobody', 'wretched soul'. In a nutshell, basically self-denigrating.

YOU portray the psyche of the modern day Christian to the tee.

But that is to be expected, as the pulpit teaches against any sound epistemology, even critical thinking.

It does not teach that faith should be based on evidence; it teaches that faith should NEVER be based on evidence. (blue)

Walk by faith and not by sight, right?

Reliable reasoning, principles of analysis & formal logic is explicitly condemned & frowned upon all over scripture.

It is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise. And I will reject as spurious the discernment of the discerning.” Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the investigator of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since through its wisdom the world did not know God, in God’s wisdom He thought it was a good idea to save the believers through the foolishness of His teaching. Because the Jews ask for signs and the Greeks search for wisdom, but we teach Christ crucified. - 1 Cor 1:19-27

Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[a]; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile. - 1 Cor 3:18-20


Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. - 1 Cor 8:1 -2


Some better examples, the Bible teaches that God punished Zacharias, by striking him mute, merely for requesting evidence - Luke 1:18-20

Doubting Thomas is appeased by such a request, but immediately is shamed by having those who believe without evidence praised as better than him - John 20:24-29

The rich man begging Abraham to send Lazarus to give his relatives evidence enough to believe is shamed for even asking, and told the scriptures should be evidence enough -  Luke 16:19-31  Rich Man & Lazarus

When the Jews ask “for a sign” (otherwise known as evidence), Jesus condemns as immoral the very idea of asking for evidence
- Matthew 12:38-39    The Sign of Jonah

Human “reasoning” must therefore be “cast down” along with everything else that is held up against “the knowledge of God” and in their place we must “bring every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ”. Right? That's what you have been taught, right?

That is why the unbelieving world view us as kooks & crackpots. You can have faith, but please don't practice blind faith.

Ask questions. As believers, it's okay for us to ask questions.

Okay, good nite guys, church 2molo  yawn.gif
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the Sripture also say For the message of the cross is foolishness [absurd and illogical] to those who are perishing and spiritually dead [because they reject it], but to us who are being saved [by God’s grace] it is [the manifestation of] the power of God.

yes true christian means being weak, humble, full of love, a nobody, and always depending on God and never rely or believe in self.

we aren't seeking glory or honor for ourselves, but looking to become slave to God and gloryfying Him all the time.

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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ May 20 2023, 11:42 PM)
Oh yeah, & one last thing, I take issue to what you said here. While honesty is certainly commendable & admirable, what do you mean exactly by Christians can't stop sinning??!!  ohmy.gif

If Christians still continue sinning after coming to saving faith, how different are we from the unbelieving world, then?

What difference is there between a believer & an unbeliever?

What is your saving faith, then? Most importantly, what where you saved from? 

There must be a contrast between those who follow Christ & those who belong to the world.

For the Bible says, you will know them by their fruits.  Comon!
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If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. - bible
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 3 2023, 09:03 AM)
Staying with God produces results

John 15:4 (NIV) - Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
Stay where God is. Stay with Him.

John 15 verse 4 explains that God is the source of power that produces in you results. Results of changed life, changed character, answered prayers, etc.

Perhaps it's time to let go of all your self conjured performances and rather..................allow God to empower you?

This is something that we are not conscious of. Because it does not originate from us therefore it comes not from us.

When it happens, it's akin to this bible verse.

Matthew 25:37-39 (NIV) - 37“ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

These righteous did not even know they did all the things that glorified God.

Stay humble, stay patience when we don't see results but remain in faith.

I've just witnessed a testimony of a Man of God who has done everything expected of a Christian and for 2 years there was nothing. But he remain in faith. After that 2 years something happened and his ministry was filled with God's miracles on weekly basis.

Sometime we need to be very patience, God does test us to see if we will remain faithful.

In the waiting period, love others, help others. Don't wallow in self pity. Encourage others.

God always look out for his own. And you are His.

God Bless.

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good message
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praise the Lord

we christians follow the new testament, and not the old testament. because the old testament represents the laws and the prophets, full of regulations of dos and don't, yet very weak and useless in saving humanity.

but we christians are not bound by the laws but we are bound by an oath. An oath made by God himself, to us and unchangeable, where he promised us a priest, an everlasting priest in the order Melchizedek, not from Aaron line. and in Him we rest our hope for our future.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 22 2023, 01:00 PM)
Sorry to see that you think that the Old Testament is just about laws.
Without the prophets and prophecies would you know your God and His Messiah?
Without the prophets and prophecies, would you know God's salvation and redemption plans?
Without the Law and the prophets, where would the New Covenant be?
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the laws are good but they are not going to save u. good for knowledge and understanding about God and His nature. but we do not lean on our works by obeying the laws for our salvation.

we rely on Jesus to make us righteous. take Jesus from me and i will become evil. my name in fact is evil but Jesus works in me making me a new person with a new desire. a desire for what is good and not desiring to do evil. u cannot achieve that with the laws.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 25 2023, 09:41 AM)
Repentance

Romans 2:4 (NKJV) - Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

Whenever the bible talks about repentance we have this religious idea, you need to be remorse with your sin, cry out tears, wear sack-cloth, beat yourself to turn away from sin.

Not surprisingly that is also how the secular world perceive this religious idea of repentance.

Now there is a place where you may emote remorse for your sins but there is another way if not a better way for repentance. Judas was remorseful for his sin, He confessed before the chief  priest "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood”. He acknowledge Jesus was innocent and he acknowledge he sinned. Isn't that repentance? There are theologian who tried to argue that Judas’s remorse was not repentance of sin, citing the word "metamelomai" was used instead of "metanoeo".  The Bible beg to differ. The word "metamelomai" was used by Jesus in Matthew 21:32 to indicate repentance from sin.

There is a reason why Jesus Christ came to establish a second covenant. It is a better way to God. The first covenant has its purpose which is to bring people to end of themselves & look to Christ as saviour. 1st covenant repentance has its place and purpose but Christ came to establish a better way.

Today's devotion Romans 2 verse 4 teaches us God's goodness leads us to repentance. It's interesting to note this verse is sandwiched between verses that talks about God's wrath and our hard and unrepentant heart.
So I submit to you this verse is very importance on repentance.

The word "lead" in Greek "agó" means to bring the person to a place, it's like the Holy Spirit leading you.

Allow the kindness of God lead you to repentance. God being good to you or dispensing his goodness to you will lead you to repentance. This is something that is hardly taught in churches. We are so used to the "being remorse with your sin, cry out tears, wear sack-cloth, beat yourself to turn away from sin."

You know why? Firstly we hardly read our bible and secondly many do not understand, Old Testament needs to be illuminated under lens of new covenant established by Christ. We try to mix them to be the same.
My argument if they are meant to be the same way, there is no need for second covenant.

Anyway how does the goodness of God lead us to repentance?

Answer can be found in Luke 15, explained in parables of lost sheep, coin and lost son.

I'm sure you are familiar with all these 3 parables. Let me ask you a question, what did the lost sheep, lost coin and lost son do for repentance?

You will find nothing. But what you will discover is that, it is the good shepherd, the woman and The Father who was looking for the lost and wayward. The lost and wayward only need to consent to be found by the light of God's word (The women here typify the Holy Spirit), to be carried by the strong shoulder of the good shepherd (Typifying the Son of God) and to be loved by the Father (Typify by God the Father) with his goodness.

For context, The father has been looking everyday for his lost son to return. From a long distance, Bible on purpose use the phrase "while he was still a long way off", The Father ran to him. And what did the Father do?  The father filled with compassion, threw his arms around him and kissed him. Before the lost son could finished his "rehearsed" repentance speech, the Father brought the best robe, put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. The Robe, the ring and sandals signify reinstating the son's position & authority back in the family. The son now has legal right to his inheritance. The Father has given the son legal right to be in his presence. Not only that, the Father celebrated (gave a party, YES a party) with a fattened calf and a feast (Eating and drinking). Those days and culture such celebration could last for days.

Bible calls that as repentance.

I pray the Holy Spirit gives you insight into this and if your heart has been hardened for whatever reason, may the love of God melts it.

God Bless.

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the father didn't look for his son. he just waited for his son. he knew all along where his son was and what he was doing and what problems he was facing. i mean he was a rich guy he must have been using his workers to update him about his son predicaments, yet he just waited but not actively "helping" him.

same with us, if we live in sin we face consequences and a lot of sufferings, and if we do not repent, bad things will happen to us. sin = suffering. i've seen a guy became paralysed because of sin and i call that living hell on earth.

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