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post Jul 25 2023, 10:31 PM

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God blamed the whole human race ? I wonder where that ever came from. Ah the nemesis.

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post Jul 26 2023, 07:26 AM

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See what interesting analogy does ? Indifference that is what the nemesis is trying to stir and doubt. Round and round and round it goes until one finally breaks. It is very much like how trying to exorcise an evil spirit out.
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post Jul 26 2023, 10:22 AM

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Old Testament is useless ??? That is rich. Very rich. Bla bla bla la I am a follower of Jesus and the Old Testament is useless. Good, very good, every useless uttered will be accounted on judgement. I wonder what I am going to hear come judgement.
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post Jul 26 2023, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 26 2023, 10:16 AM)
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16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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... shall teach men so ... Ini yang bahaya ni. 🤣🤣🤣 Habisla if any of the little lamb were to lose their faith because of such teachings, I think the one who has to give an account then, will tie a large mill stone around himself and jump from the gates of heaven into the abyss. Yup follower of Jesus, they say.

I am amazed how brazen anyone can be to talk about things they dont even know of. Konon want give me examples, don't even know who one is talking to.

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post Jul 26 2023, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 26 2023, 12:05 PM)
Quite sure, you and I are not the only people God can use and this is not the only avenue Gaunter learn from. But it will be from people he is open to hear from.

Ive learn everyone is built different, not all exhibit similiar character like you or me.

What I do know is, if one is offended, no matter what you say, he/she is not going to be open to listen.

That is why building repo with the person helps instead of getting all riled up.
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Maybe it was never their intentions to listen in the first place. It is like testing the spirit because we truly don't know who is it exactly that is behind the other end. But by their words, we will know who there are, these pantang dicabar types.

When we were young in our faith, were we not disciplined by our elders too or by God Himself ?

What I do know is don't give pearls to swines.

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post Jul 26 2023, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 26 2023, 03:02 PM)
Like I said, I prefer to turn over a new leaf.
1 Peter 3:15 (NIV) - But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
Highlight in bold is something God commands of us.
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Agree. That is why you are kindhearted and I am very strict.

I do the same with all my clients, only those who listens and obeys will not have problems with their modern vehicles. I only have problems with the smart ones only who thinks they know better. Hey but that is not my problem when they have electrical issues. So I only focuses on those who listens.

I have no second thoughts putting anyone in the Ignore List either, whether it's on Lowyat or my clients.
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post Jul 27 2023, 11:18 AM

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That is all fine and nice about being saved. Although being born again, I wouldn't count my ass as being saved just yet until I am able to check-in into the Kingdom of Heaven and meet again those whom have guided me in my faith. All the miracles done in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ means nothing, if at the end of the day I am told to get lost and that He does not know me.

Make no mistake, only those who does the will of God, will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

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post Jul 27 2023, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 27 2023, 11:45 AM)
Being born again = Saved

And what is the will of God in this case?
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Bro., that you would have to ask God.

What I do know is when being born again, one will be lead by the Holy Spirit and the person who is born again will do things that is beyond logic and things will just happen like it is normal thing to do. The person has no control of the situation any longer for the Holy Spirit takes over completely. It's unbelievable.

Yet I can lose all that if I turn towards darkness and sin because my time is not up yet. Because I have tasted the Lord and He is good really good, would I allow temptations to bring me down ? That's the reality of things.

The question is how to live while remaining in Him and Him in us, while we are still in this world. For the unmarried clergy it's simple but for the married, it's not the same.

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post Jul 27 2023, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 27 2023, 12:10 PM)
John 6:40 (NIV) - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
The very first will of God is that you get connected to God by your faith (believes in him) and just by that you are granted Eternal Life.

The believe has to do with believing:

1. Christ died for your sins
2. Christ is your substitution, representing you before God the Father
3. Christ is the one who save you.

All these has to be the first and primary criteria before repentance can even come in.
Repentance = Work of the Holy Spirit which you trust God to do the work in you. And you rest in that trusting God.

It's not you sweating, gritting your teeth trying to obey God. <----Most ppl got it wrong here.

I think you may want to consider all that is said above.
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All that you have listed has to be fulfilled BEFORE one is even born again. I see no point going back to basics. Now for me it's about going forward, not to basics.

What sweating, grinding of teeth etc etc has anything to do with being born again ? Nothing. I don't remember sweating or grinding my teeth while doing God's will. In fact I was walking on cloud nine doing God's will.

I really don't understand where you are going with sweating, grinding of teeth etc doing God's will. If that is true, then why our Lord says His yoke is easy and burden light ? Truly truly, our Lord's yoke is really easy and His burden extremely light.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 27 2023, 12:10 PM)
John 6:40 (NIV) - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
The very first will of God is that you get connected to God by your faith (believes in him) and just by that you are granted Eternal Life.

The believe has to do with believing:

1. Christ died for your sins
2. Christ is your substitution, representing you before God the Father
3. Christ is the one who save you.

All these has to be the first and primary criteria before repentance can even come in.
Repentance = Work of the Holy Spirit which you trust God to do the work in you. And you rest in that trusting God.

It's not you sweating, gritting your teeth trying to obey God. <----Most ppl got it wrong here.

I think you may want to consider all that is said above.
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Wait a minute ...are you saying that by just believing in those lines only, without needing to be born again for doing the will of God, one will be saved in the Kingdom of Heaven ? Just believe and that's it ?

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post Jul 27 2023, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 27 2023, 08:47 PM)
how do you read John 6:40?
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That is like walking on thin ice, very very thin ice in my shallow limited opinion.

For me John 6:40 is not enough to secure a seat in heaven. Only by being born again and doing God will as mentioned by our Lord Jesus Christ seems like a safer bet.

How does one interpret Matthew 7: 21-23 then ?

Sorry I am not a bit slow on our various differences of our backgrounds but blardy slow, anyway just came across this guy on YouTube who is warning Prosperity Gospel preachers the mistakes they are making because whatever is being preached in not from Gospel, which I agree. Then suddenly he turned around started to go after Catholicism and that caught my attention. So he was saying just believing would be sufficient, works are not needed. And Catholic Church is against that, seriously I didn't even know that.

If that is so, then why on earth when our Lord walked upon the earth doing all the good works for the people ? Why didn't our Lord just go around telling others just to believe in him and they will be saved instead ? No works required.

When a born again does miracles in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, are these works are work of the hands of those born again OR are they the works of Almighty God Himself ? Of course these miracles are the works of Almighty God. I would be a liar and a thief, if I have a slightest audacity to even claim any part of it was actually mine. I don't dare to even claim, you guys will immediately call me bluff straightaway. 🤣🤣🤣

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Small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, but then why does our Lord add ... only a few find it ?

I was thinking about the word, works. These works of wonders by God is also a sign for others that the person is approved by God for one has completed his training, correct ? False teachers they can't do anything no matter how mega their churches are because God is not with them. That is how we as Christians will know if they are false or are they the real deal, one should be learning from. If one is false in any way or form, sooner or later the Devil will come in.

I was shocked to hear during one of Kenneth Copeland talks that he does not know the Holy Scriptures, by his own admittance. If one does not know, how is it he is able to lead a mega church ? Utterly shocking, what on earth is he actually teaching ? And people are giving him tons of money for such teachings ?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 28 2023, 07:50 PM)
I'll be honest to say I don't know why Christ said that. We don't know the full revelation in the Bible, nobody does , except the Holy Spirit.

But what I do know is that in book of Revelations 7

Revelations 7:9 (NIV) - After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

According to this verse, the people who made it to heaven are uncountable. So this means "only a few find it" means something else. It cannot refer to only a few enter Heaven.

My style of reading the Bible, whatever I don't, yet understand, I keep it aside, until it is revealed later or if not I'll ask God when I meet Him in Heaven.

But when I contemplate Matthew 7:14, it could very possible refer to blessed life here on earth. Because eternal life in Greek =  aiónios  zóé. Whereas here in Matthew 7:14, it's only zóé.

Possibly talking about abundant life that Christ promised. (John 10:10).

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When you talk about works of wonder, I guess you're referring to God's miraculous power? I don't believe as how most conservative church teaches where it's only given to the most pious or most approved.

If we go by what the Bible states, it's promised to any believer via their faith. Only thing is, every believer is given different giftings, so not everyone has gift of healing or deliverance, etc.

What I'm trying to say is that, the Holy Spirit will give every believer different giftings. But every believer has God's power operating, it's not reserved only for the VIP church leaders, apostles or only pastors..No.

It's given to every common believer. So it may interest you to find out what is your gifting.
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Yes for me, works always refers to God miraculous power. The works of our hands can never attain salvation nor miraculous signs. They can't do anything. It is the Spirit that counts, not the flesh.

Agree, it is only God who gives the Baptism of Fire and the church can only give the Baptism of Water that's it. So anyone whom God looks upon with favour and has completed his training will be ready for all kinds of God's work.

I believe why conservative church would want to keep their man under control, is because if it is truly the Holy Spirit at work, then all is fine, no problemo. However if evil spirits somehow gets involved, things can go awry very very fast to the detriment of members of church in question. And to resolve it, the big shots will have to get involve by then and it is a risk. Confronting evil spirit is always risky, extremely risky.

Yes I do agree the Holy Spirit is not limited for VIP etc only, well even priests, pastors themselves had failed before after coming into office. It's not that the Holy Spirit had failed. It's men themselves that had failed. It is God's wish to give His Holy Spirit to whomever He so pleases and He can give, He can surely also take away, when one turns to sin.

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 28 2023, 09:15 PM)
anyone thinking they can "EARN" the salvation is wrong at all level.

Just like the thief next to Jesus. Believe and Saved.
On top of that.

i believe :

We are Saved to Serve the God.
We never Saved becaused we Served.

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The thief on the cross was an exceptional one case because he couldn't do anything anymore and luckily for him, he believed in our Lord Jesus Christ and then he died. If the thief did not died, but was free to continue to sin, no way he would be in paradise. Stop sinning or something worse will happen.

Wait a minute, ok let's take this as a discussion, We never saved because we served. Who are you serving here ?
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 28 2023, 09:43 PM)
maybe my english is bad
God Saved you not because you served HIM

God Saved you to Serve HIM.

Saved is Done. Serve come later.

And those who served well, prize are waiting.

Those who reject Jesus's Salvation ( by alter/refuse to believe ) are considered Reject Salvation.
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If your command of English is not so good, then I recommend that you don't start creating your own words because that is in direct contradiction with our Lord teaching. What is really really bad is, if your words starts misleading others, dont you know what is going to happen ?
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 28 2023, 09:49 PM)
The thief on the cross was an exceptional one case because he couldn't do anything anymore and luckily for him
This is a obviously example of Truth Rejection.
God is Perfect.
God is Justice.

If some1 think Jesus's blood only Clean the SIN before you accept the Christ ( but not After .... )
This is another great example of Truth Rejection.


Are you telling the world, the best moment to accept Christ is seconds before you Die?
What Jesus salvation covered were the sin of our life ( whole life )

Except the Sin of Reject Salvation/Truth.
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For me, the best moment of being a Christian is when I had been born again and doing God work. I don't even know what I had been doing for the first 40 yeàrs of my life not been born again. Wandering aimlessly in the "desert" I guess. 🤣🤣🤣

I don't know how you got the idea that I am Rejecting the Truth but we better stop communicating because I can guarantee you that we don't understand each other. I am born again and doing God work and I am Truth Rejection ? You got me. Please explain how did that simple logical plus chronology of the thief who died on the cross is Truth Rejection.

Wait a minute what Holy Bible are you reading ?



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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 28 2023, 10:33 PM)
Google charles templeton
1 of the Greatest Preacher in US
He publicly rejected God. ( after 30 years serving God and maybe bring thousand and thousand of people into Christ )
1 can doing God's work at the same time Rejecting Truth.

You are 1 fine example.

You are saying, Our Effort matters in Salvation which is very offensive to God's Original Plan of Salvation.
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So I have rejected God ? How is it that you are aware that I am a fine example of someone who has rejected God when I don't even know myself that I have rejected God. Being born again is rejecting God ? Doing God will is rejecting God ?

Do you even understand fully what I have written ?

If effort don't matter, will continue living in sin give me salvation ?

Ok ok don't do God will and you will get into heaven ? Who is Rejecting the Truth ? Do you even know what is the Truth ?

Now answer me, which church are you attending ?

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 28 2023, 10:53 PM)
i remind you because your username represent Church.
You should really becareful what you said in this forum.

And you continue to use rude words to bash me off.
Well, i am fine. but this is 2nd time i give you some important reminder.

and you bash me off again.
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Get away from me. Your incoherent thoughts are not from God but gibberish man. Don't ever write to me again.
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Why the hell would I want to throw away everything from God, after being born again, because an idiot calls me brother ? Only a devil will tell another to throw away one's holiness. Well that devil is in my Ignore List already. The last thing I want is prayer from a demon.

If I ever advises anyone to remove your Holy Skin or throw away your relationship with God or whatever gibberish nonsense which is impossible and that I am in direct contradiction of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ teachings, put me in your Ignore List immediately, for I am no longer lead by the Holy Spirit. That ain't happenin.

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Bro Unknown Warrior, about the great multitude that is found in Revelation, perhaps the few find it and with time, more had found it. Something like compounding interest and overtime it's a huge figure.

Irregardless whether it's a few and overtime it's a great multitude, if salvation s important to me, means I have to get everything right on the dot, with the Word of God Himself and not leave anything to chances. God says that man cannot live on bread alone but EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God. Kiasu kiasi mah.

Yes I am very direct and I don't beat around the bush either. Kena label angry pulak ? 🤣🤣🤣 Not good in the art of sugar coating also, like pastor Joel Osteen. Every week 45,000 parishioners attends his church. How does a pastor effectively administer to such huge community ? People who wants their ears tickled, can find Pastor Joel Osteen.



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