my point is the father didn't help his son when his son was still in city, eating pig's food. most of us human we most certainly woulda send some money so that the son can escape the hellhole that he was in. yet the father didn't do that. he let him rot there until he couldn't take it anymore.

instead he just waited patiently for the son to decide to return or make a uturn from his mistakes. notice it was the son who needed to make the first moves, no matter how small his steps were in the beginning, the father did not delay his salvation for his son.

oh i misundestood

but then God made a vow to abraham even before the laws were established for israel. so how could the laws be useful to us who are gentiles and eat bacons and uncircumised from the beginning?

the laws were made intentionaly and exclusively for israel to become a stumbling block for them so that they will always fail

God did not make mistakes when He created the laws. It was made originally for that purpose in order to teach men that they need a better solution than the laws.

exactly!

i couldn't care less if i contradict myself

only Jesus is right and we are all wrong one way or another

how do u know u are more right or righteous than the next guy?

what makes u better in knowledge than another person?

is salvation comes from knowledge or simple faith?

u sound angry

why are u angry? why u happy when u win argument but get angry when cannot answer?

then i am not a christian to u if that makes u happy. i am just a person who believes in Jesus

imagine u stumbled upon an uneducated poor beggar and u say the same word to him. say he is too stupid to become a christian. that is cruel isn't it?

no even stupid retarded people have the same right to come to Jesus as people who are as intelligent as u

accepted

but i don't want to impress people with lofty talk

i don't seek honor

i never said whatever i put forth as my argument here is correct i can always make mistakes so no bigi deal

is my answer or opinion so valuable to u that u get irritated because u couldn't get it?

but within the context of what i am saying your questions become nonsensical really

however i did provide an answer but seems u don't read it

but because u value my opinion that high i want to elaborate further to what i am saying

basically,

old testament = the laws and prophets = works salvation = death
new testament = Jesus = faith = Grace = life

old testament and the law is inseparable. the evidence is in the bible, it is separated into two parts. one part is by works (old covenant) and another by faith (new covenant).

remember what Jesus taught about the new wineskin and the old wineskin. He didn't say keep the old wineskin together with the new wineskin did He? so what happen to the old unused wineskin now it become useless?

look at the book of Torah that the Jews are using. it is literally the old testament. now how do they worship God according to the Torah? do you think they believe in Jesus? do they worship God by faith in Jesus or by good works?

but it is more troubling to me that u associate Grace with the old testament. do u not know the word Grace doesn't exist in the old testament? don't u think iit is because Grace is not given through obedience of the laws but by humility?

seems your understanding about Grace is incorrect. i suggest u look up for Zac Poonen in youtube and search for his sermon about Grace.

the old testament is good for reasons to know about God and His nature. To know His love and mercy. basically, the old testament is only good for knowledge but not for salvation. u cannot find salvation in the old testament

proof is show me the same verse in the old testament that says salvation by faith through Grace and u will find none.

and this is the reason why i said the old testament is useless

aha bingo

well at least i found one mature christian here.

the rest are still very much immature or like little childs who get triggered easily

the first verse speaks about Jesus second coming. the anihilation of humankind in the hand of Jesus but those who believe in Him will be spared the sufferings.

the second verse is Jesus law for human. those who live violent lives will also suffer violently.

our goal in life is to press on to perfection to become like Jesus Christ. God has promised to help us in this direction and yet many do not make much progress in that direction.

the reason is God is not giving them Grace. it's impossible to become like Christ if u don't get Grace from God. as long as u don't have Grace sins will have dominion over u, but if u have Grace sin will not have dominion over u.

pls check out Zac Poonen to learn more.

i found something new today

it says, the letter kills

which letter?

the Bible

today i just learned something new

and i am shocked to my core because i am an ex-catholic

and i thought everyone believe in penal substitution

however now i learned catholic never believe truly that Jesus died for your sins