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post Oct 17 2008, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(fireace123 @ Oct 10 2008, 12:05 PM)
Fridrich method is the method used by most of the top cuber, I would say the top 10 in WCA website are all using
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Nope...Jasum Baum uses zb tongue.gif but too bad he is top 11 on the WCA 3x3 average list now..

QUOTE(fireace123 @ Oct 12 2008, 07:55 PM)
Regripping does eat some time, but in your case, it's still OK to regrip.
It's sometimes depends on the person, it's how fast one can turn the cube. A quick example is, for a Fridrich solve, normally it takes around 50~60 moves, world record is 7 seconds, means the record holder is turning more than 7 moves per second. Well, if you can turn at that speed, you can get good time too.
What cube are you using?
DIY ones?
If yes, it shouldn't stuck often, maybe it's the way you turn or the power of your turning.
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the world record 7.08 seconds is a lucky solve... fridrich method have 4 steps and he skipped the 4th step(pll)..I don't think he could have got that time with a non-lucky solve.. btw..I can see that all the 2x2,3x3,4x4 single solves world record are lucky solves... check the time for 2x2 single world record holder, and check his average.. then check 4x4 single record holder and his average.. smile.gif We should see the average record of the cuber to know if he/she is the best cuber..

...just started cubing 4 months+ ago, now around average 26~28 secs.. using cross on bottom, f2l(intuitive, as in no algorithms), 2 look-oll and 1 look pll.. I think the main thing for getting fast times is not by having good turning speed.. I competed with most of my friends doing R U' x63 and I can say I lost to most of them...even ppl that don't even know how to cube can turn faster than me.. and ppl at average 2 mins can turn faster than me...my fastest time for R U' x63 is around 37~38 seconds..and usually take me 40+ seconds for it.. (lots of ppl think that someone that can solve the cube in 20~30 seconds have fast turning speed..so I can prove u wrong biggrin.gif )

the main thing for getting fast times is looking ahead(look for next move while solving what u r doing at that time) and delay...just turn at a normal rate(2 turns+ per second) with almost 0 delay and u should be getting average 30~35 secs...but that is of course with any speedsolving(3x3) advance methods (fridrich, petrus, roux, vh, zb, corner first, waterman, heise and more...). This is because u just need less than 70 turns on average to solve the whole cube..compared to beginner methods (which needs up to 100~150 turns to solve the cube)..

for my experience, I can say that practicing a lot don't really help u to improve ur times so fast..but, learning new methods and doing lots of experiment on how to solve the cube with the least moves and experiment on how to solve the cube with as little cube rotations as possible will actually pull ur times down very fast.. I practice around 30 mins a day..if weekends that I am really free then around 1 hour or more..(not realy a lot compared to some ppl that practice 3~12 hours a day sweat.gif )

anyways..if anyone have more interest in cubing...try going to cube forums to get more info on cubing..it really helps u to improve..

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4 : this is a world wide cubing forum...lots of info..

http://www.malaysiancube.com/forum/index.php : and of course, Malaysian cube forum... nod.gif

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post Oct 17 2008, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Ace @ Oct 17 2008, 04:28 PM)
lol i really suck at R U`x63 in the first 5 turn will definitely lockup sweat.gif or mix it up end up doing R U`x63 for half an hour just to found out its messed up.

here an awesome example of R U`x 63
Syuhei Omura R U` x 63
i bet since Neutral from speedsloving you must at least watched it ohmy.gif
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ya...watched it quite long ago...those ppl only are called fast fingerspeed... I am 4 times slower than him tongue.gif

omg... u did R U' x63 for half an hour and did not realize u messed it up in between? shocking.gif As in.. even u turn 1 second 1 turn also just need 2 mins at max..but I don' think anyone will turn that slow...3 turns per sec is reasonable for most ppl.. since u just performing the same thing over and over again.. smile.gif

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post Oct 17 2008, 09:27 PM

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eh... I thought rubik's 3x3 rm24.90 now? I just saw that price 2 weeks ago in klcc... but rubik's japanese speedcube set raised to rm84.90.. same goes to 4x4 and 5x5 .. all rm84.90...

oh ya, pavillion also got sell... in parkson grand(toys r us section at top floor)... and now all toys r us got sell rubik's magic...go get one if u r interested.. smile.gif

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post Oct 17 2008, 09:42 PM

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but most online cubers recommend old type A... they said that is the best cube ever.. even better than type C or rubik's diy..not sure about it..that is just what everyone says in forum.. but more to personal preference I guess..
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post Oct 17 2008, 10:25 PM

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Loctide? Which is pretty expensive...

But I am trying a type A + D hybrid...if the screws really suk, would try if the japanese speedcube's screw able to fit it or not..


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post Oct 18 2008, 02:25 AM

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guess the white cube is high demanded..so they put low quality screws instead... zzz?
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post Oct 19 2008, 01:59 AM

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learn it intuitively(logic)...so u no need any algorithms for cross and first two layers...
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post Oct 19 2008, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Oct 19 2008, 02:31 AM)
I am using intuitive F2L method, but a friend of mine that actually memorised the formulas told me that I made a lot of weird unnecessary moves. >W<


Added on October 19, 2008, 3:17 am@Mr Ace -- BTW I think I'm having a set of new screws.
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hmm...try to look for the solution and see the amount of turns needed for each case...then create a solution urself using intuitive that the amount of moves needed is same with the solution....then u would not have any unnecessary moves

QUOTE(pingchen23 @ Oct 19 2008, 07:15 AM)
Guys, I have a problem with the grip changing thingy during F2L. It seems that I need to change a few times to get the F2L done. How can the pros just slot in the pairs without little or no grip changing?
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Try to learn back slotting..as in u can create and insert ur pairs at the behind slots instead of front slots..so u will reduce ur cube rotations.. try praticing like this >> do R' U' R on a solved cube..there is already a pair there.. now insert it with R' U R... and also do L U L' to setup...then insert with L U' L'... keep doing this and soon u will get used to back slotting...

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post Oct 20 2008, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Oct 19 2008, 01:19 PM)
That sounded like memorising the algo making it intuitive haha. laugh.gif

And backslotting sounds nice, time to practice.
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hmm...u do not need to memorize the algo... u create a brand new solution of ur own.. but that solution do exist..just that u have to find a solution that u can perform with ur own intuitive and not memorizing the algorithm for that case..

QUOTE(Mr.Ace @ Oct 20 2008, 07:08 PM)
woah this took awhile to get used to. icon_question.gif
i just practiced slotting F2l pair from any position  sweat.gif  , to reduce regripping took awhile get better with it.
Neutrals you know any rubiks competition? i m bored  playing all slone doh.gif
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There was a rubiks competition few months ago...but I didn't know about it and missed it.. if not mistaken..this december maybe will have an official competition...but not sure succesful or not..they are planning to organize it..
Slotting f2l pair from any position is very good.. but u have to be good in F and B turns to do so,..I am weak in F and B turns.. so I prefer to rotate y or y' and then use R and L moves.. tongue.gif




oh ya...there is a cube gathering this saturday (25 October 2008) in One Utama shopping complex, damansara, petaling jaya, selangor.... morning till afternoon.. anyone interested to come? Can discuss about the gathering in this thread >> http://www.malaysiancube.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=114

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post Oct 22 2008, 02:13 AM

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ya 2 look oll and 1 look pll..
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post Oct 27 2008, 02:36 PM

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Mr Ace : I learned all pll in one short....because I was not using fridrich method before learning 2 look oll,1 look pll and f2l..I was using jasmine lee method...once want change to fridrich..I straight go to 2 look oll,1 look pll and f2l and cross... last time I use that method no form cross..is finish 1st layer corners, then only do first layer edges.. so fridrich method was a whole new thing to me..nvr use any of these 4 steps before in my previous method ~.~"

c-timhehe : any cubes above size of 3x3 can use reduction method...once u understand how reduction method works..u should be able to solve any cubes from 4x4 to 99999x99999...just takes longer time.. reduction method you can look from many sites..youtube videos or more..I learned it from dan harris site >> http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/index.php?page=4x4x4/4x4x4

adeas : my favourite PLL is clockwise A perm, OLL is H case OLL(because learned a good fingertrick for that case...)..f2l I like the most because need look ahead a lot and make no pause.. form cross abit tricky sometimes..but inspection usually already find the solution..

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post Nov 1 2008, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(cloudseven @ Oct 29 2008, 07:52 PM)
hv anyone ply 5x5 cube?
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ya I got play it..but not good in it yet..

QUOTE(BasicCX @ Oct 29 2008, 11:06 PM)
Hi! Wah... didn't know there is Rubik's Cube here... smile.gif

What is the fastest technique to solve the layer within below 30 secs. The normal layer by layer (and modified a bit to it) take a few minutes for me.
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guimond or sun-stern method best for speedsolving 2x2
fridrich(CFOP) method best for speedsolving 3x3
zb,petrus and heise method best for fewest moves solving 3x3
reduction method best for any cubes 4x4 and above in size
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post May 16 2009, 04:36 AM

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this tread seems dead... time to bring it alive..hehe =P

 

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