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amandamai
post Oct 20 2022, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:22 AM)
Having a smear campaign on palm oil on palm oil-producing country soil. Do you think this tactic works?

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:46 AM)
You see. The whole point here is about the demand of palm oil. 
If there is demand, we don't have to worry about the smear campaigns.

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don't worry you said. don't be naive
why the smear campaigns towards palm oil exist in first place?
because the west worry for their own oil commodity
they want to plotek their economy
as any nation would and should

lol..just read some comments here. Smear campaign definitely works. Do not underestimate the power of sentiment.

sugar free = sugar bad for you
cholesterol free = cholesterol bad for you
palm oil free = what do you think the manufacturers from those countries want to imply?

you see it repeatedly often enough and anyone would start to believe it

i could give another eg. why Dap failed and is still failing to get Malay supports? The anti-islam, anti-everything sentiment is real and deep. Smear campaigns work.

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post Oct 20 2022, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(amandamai @ Oct 20 2022, 01:15 AM)
don't worry you said. don't be naive
why the smear campaigns towards palm oil exist in first place?
because the west worry for their own oil commodity
they want to plotek their economy
as any nation would and should

lol..just read some comments here. Smear campaign definitely works. Do not underestimate the power of sentiment.

sugar free = sugar bad for you
cholesterol free  = cholesterol bad for you
palm oil free = what do you think the manufacturers from those countries want to imply?

you see it repeatedly often enough and anyone would start to believe it

i could give another eg. why Dap failed  and is still failing to get Malay supports? The anti-islam, anti-everything sentiment is real and deep. Smear campaigns work.
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and the responses to smear campaigns thru fear tactics is causing more damages than it should (e.g. losses to retailers)

Did Dap respond to the smear campaigns by ending fund allocations to Umno/BN supporters areas in Penang or Selangor? No. They go thru proper channel aka court of law on any slanderous comments.
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post Oct 20 2022, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 19 2022, 04:33 PM)
i wouldn't say 100% palm oil inside. but i cannot imagine myself opening a bottle of cooking oil and chug it down, so i cannot imagine myself doing the same with those damned creamers.

got certain brands still susu pekat and susu sejat that have 0% palm oil added.
if you see a krimer pekat or a krimer sejat - have the word "creamer" -, THAT definitely contains palm oil.
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https://siakapkeli.my/2019/06/30/apa-beza-s...na-potong-kaki/

Here goes in detail on all the variants

You do the math la, krimer Manis can imagine how much actual milk is inside after being dehydrated, added 50% sugar, actual milk fat removed and replaced with palm oil.
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post Oct 20 2022, 02:47 AM

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 01:32 AM)
and the responses to smear campaigns thru fear tactics is causing more damages than it should (e.g. losses to retailers)

Did Dap respond to the smear campaigns by ending fund allocations to Umno/BN supporters areas in Penang or Selangor? No. They go thru proper channel aka court of law on any slanderous comments.
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gov is protecting the country's economy but
you are veryyyy pro-retailers. Retailers who can sell pretty much everything under the sun, minus the anti palm oil label of course but die die still want to do the prohibited, then claim wahh fear tactics by gov. The rules against discriminatory label are there for a reason which many have explained .

do you think the Usa government will let their supermarkets sell imported food from Malaysia to sell to small demographic of Malaysian there with label 'CANOLA OIL FREE!"? laugh la

dap cutting off fund is stupid. they are cutting off potential votes and supports.
just like letting those retailers off to do whatever and hurting the economy. both are stupid

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post Oct 20 2022, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(amandamai @ Oct 20 2022, 02:47 AM)
gov is protecting the country's economy but
you are veryyyy pro-retailers. Retailers who can sell pretty much everything under the sun, minus the anti palm oil label of course  but die die still want to do the prohibited, then claim wahh fear tactics by gov. The rules against discriminatory label are there for a reason which many have explained .

do you think the Usa government will let their supermarkets sell imported food from Malaysia to sell to small demographic of Malaysian there with label 'CANOLA OIL FREE!"? laugh la

dap cutting off fund is stupid. they are cutting off potential votes and supports.
just like letting those retailers off to do whatever and hurting the economy. both are stupid
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There is nothing wrong with gomen protecting the country's economy, especially more so in current situation when our currency is LACKING protection to fight price inflations across the board.

I'm not pro-retailers. I myself is a consumer. Whether palm-oil free label is a violation of law, we should have a proper decision as this is a very subjective item.
When the employees are found to have minor offences that violated the company's regulations, does the employers sack them straight away or issue warning letter first?

If the authorities find them in violation of law or regulation, proper warnings should be given to the impacted retailers (who might be ignorant) instead of threatening to fine/jail them. It gives out negative vibes to everyone like the smear campaigns. The warnings can serve as a reminder and buffer period for these retailers to remove the labels from the products before reselling them while not causing any potential losses due to import related costs.

Better still, if the authorities maintain a list of constantly-updated products under prohibition or need further action before reselling is allowed for them to synch with the retailers inventory systems for warning purposes.

As I emphasised, there should be a proper channel for win-win situation, while not causing grief and pain to the affected parties. If the retailers still ignore the warning on purpose or feel that this rule can be challenged, then proper channel aka court of law should apply.
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post Oct 20 2022, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 09:41 AM)
There is nothing wrong with gomen protecting the country's economy, especially more so in current situation when our currency is LACKING protection to fight price inflations across the board.

I'm not pro-retailers. I myself is a consumer. Whether palm-oil free label is a violation of law, we should have a proper decision as this is a very subjective item.
When the employees are found to have minor offences that violated the company's regulations, does the employers sack them straight away or issue warning letter first?

If the authorities find them in violation of law or regulation, proper warnings should be given to the impacted retailers (who might be ignorant) instead of threatening to fine/jail them. It gives out negative vibes to everyone like the smear campaigns. The warnings can serve as a reminder and buffer period for these retailers to remove the labels from the products before reselling them while not causing any potential losses due to import related costs.

Better still, if the authorities maintain a list of constantly-updated products under prohibition or need further action before reselling is allowed for them to synch with the retailers inventory systems for warning purposes.

As I emphasised, there should be a proper channel for win-win situation, while not causing grief and pain to the affected parties. If the retailers still ignore the warning on purpose or feel that this rule can be challenged, then proper channel aka court of law should apply.
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i give the news link English.

https://www.thesundaily.my/home/mpoc-suppor...bels-IB10005085

Retailers can't play the dumb and ignorant card always. they're very aware and yet still doing it hoping they never get caught. we know this country's enforcement can be weak. and people got away with a lot of things eg smoking in eateries.

I don't know how the latest enforcement were being done. perhaps they did give warning letter first. perhaps they had been given multiple warning letters before. Akta Perihal Dagangan or Trade Description Act 2011. The parliament and dewan negara have debated and passed this law. This is not dispute between 2 aggrieved parties where everything want to be settled at court.

What negative vibes do the fine and prison sentence give? It means gov is serious to protect the palm oil industry. Just like mandatory death sentence for drug trafficking. People think multiple times to bring illegal drug into Malaysia.

Retailers have the responsibility to be informed and law obliging. Don't cry ignorant when they get caught. You don't need to worry for them. Don't baby them too much. This is Malaysia. Can always plead for leniency.
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post Oct 20 2022, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(amandamai @ Oct 20 2022, 11:40 AM)
i give the news link English.

https://www.thesundaily.my/home/mpoc-suppor...bels-IB10005085

Retailers can't play the dumb and ignorant card always. they're very aware and yet still doing it hoping they never get caught. we know this country's enforcement can be weak. and people got away with a lot of things eg smoking in eateries.

I don't know how the latest enforcement were being done. perhaps they did give warning letter first. perhaps they had been given multiple warning letters before. Akta Perihal Dagangan or Trade Description Act 2011. The parliament and dewan negara have debated and passed this law. This is not dispute between 2 aggrieved parties where everything want to be settled at court.

What negative vibes do the fine and prison sentence give? It means gov is serious to protect the palm oil industry. Just like mandatory death sentence for drug trafficking. People think multiple times to bring illegal drug into Malaysia.

Retailers have the responsibility to be informed and law obliging. Don't cry ignorant when they get caught. You don't need to worry for them. Don't baby them too much. This is Malaysia. Can always plead for leniency.
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i'd blame it on the disorganisation and lack of coordination between various gomen depts.

If the products are prohibited, why are they still allowed by the customs?
If they are allowed by the customs, why are the domestic trade ministry/agency blocking them from being sold or threatening the retailers with jails/fines?

The comparison with drugs is on the extreme, because the product ingredients have no problems in the first place. It's only about labels. And the media tried to blow things out of proportion.

The enforcement might be lacking in some cases. But having seen how stupid some regulations are (e.g. shops must put up flags or getting fined by city council), I don't have much confidence in the fairness of the so-called regulations.
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post Oct 20 2022, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:23 PM)
i'd blame it on the disorganisation and lack of coordination between various gomen depts.

If the products are prohibited, why are they still allowed by the customs?
If they are allowed by the customs, why are the domestic trade ministry/agency blocking them from being sold or threatening the retailers with jails/fines?

The comparison with drugs is on the extreme, because the product ingredients have no problems in the first place. It's only about labels. And the media tried to blow things out of proportion.

The enforcement might be lacking in some cases. But having seen how stupid some regulations are (e.g. shops must put up flags or getting fined by city council), I don't have much confidence in the fairness of the so-called regulations.
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the products are not prohibited.
the anti label is
understand or not?
can read the title again




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post Oct 20 2022, 01:20 PM

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Eh freedom a bit la. Gluten free, bovine free, all should can sell. Let consumers make decision.
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post Oct 21 2022, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(nate_nightroad @ Oct 19 2022, 12:36 PM)
Diu i read the label and ingredients myself to avoid palm oil
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Actuallt what's wrong with Palm Oil?
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post Oct 21 2022, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(lioncarlsberg @ Oct 21 2022, 01:15 PM)
Actuallt what's wrong with Palm Oil?
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The product is fine. But the way we cleared forest for the plantation is killing the ecology, our biodiversity, and orang utan are badly affected. Near extinction bro. And still our government said “it’s sustainable”

Eu all boycott palm oil until the ukrain war because they exporting sunflower seed oil to europe. No choice but to buy palm oil. The price goes up, hence bangala la go work in plantation and food services are affected.

How lucky is malaysia. Covid time we got rubber. Ukraine crisis we have palm oil
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QUOTE(lioncarlsberg @ Oct 21 2022, 01:15 PM)
Actuallt what's wrong with Palm Oil?
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The biggest consumer of palm oil is nestle. I no longer drink milo as boycott
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post Oct 21 2022, 01:38 PM

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Good move. Fuck those western seed oil
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post Oct 21 2022, 01:45 PM

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No Gluten, sugar free, no salt.......halal
Also discrimination?
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post Oct 21 2022, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 20 2022, 12:12 AM)
Apakah ke-tolol-an ini.
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Malaysia memang tolol , sampai makanan pun kena ban sana sini, betul betul tolol punya Malaysia
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post Oct 21 2022, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(nate_nightroad @ Oct 21 2022, 01:23 PM)
The product is fine. But the way we cleared forest for the plantation is killing the ecology, our biodiversity, and orang utan are badly affected. Near extinction bro. And still our government said “it’s sustainable”

Eu all boycott palm oil until the ukrain war because they exporting sunflower seed oil to europe. No choice but to buy palm oil. The price goes up, hence bangala la go work in plantation and food services are affected.

How lucky is malaysia. Covid time we got rubber. Ukraine crisis we have palm oil
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so when eu or American clear their jungle for development, it's ok(they hunt their fox for sports, it's getting extinct)

but when we clear it, it's not, what kind of double standard is that?
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post Oct 21 2022, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Oct 21 2022, 09:41 PM)
so when eu or American clear their jungle for development, it's ok(they hunt their fox for sports, it's getting extinct)

but when we clear it, it's not, what kind of double standard is that?
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Their forest no biodiversity. Ours are tropical, much more precious
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QUOTE(nate_nightroad @ Oct 21 2022, 10:33 PM)
Their forest no biodiversity. Ours are tropical, much more precious
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what? their jungle also got biodiversity,just another kind and destroyed

jungle are jungle,there are no value to it or more previous than others

and they send plastic waste/rare earth waste from their country to 3rd world country like here so their country remain green

Don't feed into their nonsense, in theirs world only they can be right,ours are wrong

This post has been edited by billy3336: Oct 22 2022, 12:00 AM
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post Oct 22 2022, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ Oct 21 2022, 09:29 PM)
Malaysia memang tolol , sampai makanan pun kena ban sana sini, betul betul tolol punya Malaysia
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You also tolol. They don't ban the food. They are taking action due to the label.

Next time save some tolol for your descendants.

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