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TSJedi3815
post Oct 18 2022, 10:05 AM, updated 2y ago

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Ok, now this post might be TOO opinionated as there are many factions of opinions on what we should/can teach our kids (next generation). BUT, the underlying issue we face today is the fact that our Education Minister has been (since as long as i can remember) been on "experimental" phases with their "structure" and "targets" in terms of education to students.

I remember I was the 1st generation to have dual-language exams, which in hindsight prepared me to university level-style of education, and 2 years later the programme was terminated since there was a change of Education Minister.

Now, the internet does not help with the world's education problem since information and misinformation are presented as facts, and people would believe anything "because it's on them googles, so it must be trueeee~~".

The question I ask in this thread is, "Is there a way for us to fix our syllabus, to fit a more modern way of doing things?" 11+11 = 22, i dont get this idea of 11 + 11 = 11 + 10 + 1 = 21 + 1 = 22. doubling the work to get the same result. Is it faster? nope. why? what's with that thinking? i dont get that.

Now some might go even further by saying "we shouldnt teach math or science, we should only teach religion because math/science can lead them to neraka", ok. to those who said that, go to hell, i cant/wont argue with bigots who couldnt understand that the world we live in right now, 100% of the time, math/science has shaped the world (for better or for worse), religion is a side quest only.

Lets get back to the main topic.

My kids got home, and they said that they learn new ways to do math, which is more confusing because by the time they go to universities that method will die out because 10 times out 10, you are dealing with advance maths and calculator would render the method obsolete. now, you might argue "its the concept that counts" and you are ABSOLUTELY right, the concept of 11 + 11 = 22 is literally 11 + 11 = 22, and not 11 + 11 = 11 + 10 + 1 = 21 + 1 = 22.

I have voted (counting using my fingers) 3 times in Malaysia's general election, and those 3 times still doesnt change anything, since the "majority" wins, and the elected PM elected an idiot to helm the Education Ministry role.

So again, my question is "Is there a way for us to fix our syllabus, to fit a more modern way of doing things?".
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post Oct 18 2022, 10:12 AM

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More to mental arithmetic.

Example
11 x 11 = (10 x 11) + 11 = 121
For me anyways, easier to multiple by 10 then just add 11.

Also, to teach your child there are many ways to solve issues. Just need to get creative and not to be so rigid. Like in the maths you posted, it can be broken down into individual layers and solves them and etc.

Math is a good example because based on logics. So I won't say it is a bad thing. Just need to make sure the message is clear.

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post Oct 18 2022, 10:13 AM

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Home school.
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post Oct 18 2022, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Oct 18 2022, 10:12 AM)
More to mental arithmetic.

Example
11 x 11 = (10 x 11) + 11 = 121
For me anyways, easier to multiple by 10 then just add 11.

Also, to teach your child there are many ways to solve an issues. Just need to get creative and not to be so rigid.

Math is a good example because based on logics.

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oh this i agree.

three methods

1) 11x11 = 121 (kalau hafal)

2) 2nd method, make it 10s

11 x 10 = 110
11 x 1 = 11
110 + 11 = 121

3) 3rd method, the old "lazim"

11
x11
011
110
121

obviously 1 and 2 is faster. the problem with the math example i gave was on "addition" which is ridiculously and utterly-useless-ly complicated.
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post Oct 18 2022, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(l4nunm4l4y4 @ Oct 18 2022, 10:13 AM)
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this is heavily depended on the "school" itself. I have cousin, who homeschooled her kids, and they are bright, eager to learn, very inquisitive in their pursuit (wants to learn)......but, the mom (my cousin) teaches flat earth, anti-vaccine, pseudo science and shit like that...... why does she need to homeschool her kids? apparently public school requires the "red health book" that proves the child is vaccinated.

i pity her kids, because everytime we meet, they are very eager to learn as in "ooo uncle Adolf (not my real name), what is that?" "ooo uncle Adolf, why is sand small, but rocks are big?"
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post Oct 18 2022, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi3815 @ Oct 18 2022, 10:19 AM)
oh this i agree.

three methods

1) 11x11 = 121 (kalau hafal)

2) 2nd method, make it 10s

11 x 10 = 110
11 x 1 = 11
110 + 11 = 121

3) 3rd method, the old "lazim"

Β Β  11
Β  x11
Β  011
Β  110
Β  121

obviously 1 and 2 is faster. the problem with the math example i gave was on "addition" which is ridiculously and utterly-useless-ly complicated.
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With kids, it is easier to expose them to something easy first like addition and subtraction.

If they understand that then naturally they can use it for multiplication. As multiplication is many addition together. Maybe also a very simplified intro to algebra.

Learn to walk before to run so to speak.

But I am not a child specialist so take it with a grain of salt haha. Based on my logical understanding of maths and logics.

This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Oct 18 2022, 10:26 AM
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post Oct 18 2022, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Oct 18 2022, 10:23 AM)
With kids, it is easier to expose them to something easy first like addition and subtraction.

If they understand that then naturally they can use it for multiplication. As multiplication is many addition together. Maybe also a very simplified intro to algebra.

Learn to walk before to run so to speak.

But I am not a child specialist so take it with a grain of salt haha. Based on my logical understanding of maths and logics.
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on a side note, lama tak borak, how are you doing?
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post Oct 18 2022, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi3815 @ Oct 18 2022, 10:40 AM)
on a side note, lama tak borak, how are you doing?
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All good.

Still surviving haha. Trying to get some oversea work experience. πŸ˜› no luck so far.

How are you bro?
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post Oct 18 2022, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Oct 18 2022, 10:48 AM)
All good.

Still surviving haha. Trying to get some oversea work experience. πŸ˜› no luck so far.

How are you bro?
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have been disgruntled with the current situation in the world, and nothing much i can do with my minimum wage. cant find new company because no one wants to pay for more (lol), cant migrate, because no money, cant change stupid policies because im not that influential.

let me know if there are opportunities to work overseas.
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post Oct 18 2022, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi3815 @ Oct 18 2022, 11:00 AM)
have been disgruntled with the current situation in the world, and nothing much i can do with my minimum wage. cant find new company because no one wants to pay for more (lol), cant migrate, because no money, cant change stupid policies because im not that influential.

let me know if there are opportunities to work overseas.
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There are always opportunities.

Just need to have thick face and apply. πŸ˜›

Invest in yourself bruh to improve your skills. Good way to teach your kids also.

Wish us all the best in life.

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post Oct 18 2022, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Oct 18 2022, 11:08 AM)
There are always opportunities.

Just need to have thick face and apply. πŸ˜›

Invest in yourself bruh to improve your skillets. Good way to teach your kids also.

Wish us all the best in life.

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QUOTE(Jedi3815 @ Oct 18 2022, 11:14 AM)
maybe i should be a middle-aged men on tiktok doing stupid tiktok trends. moneyyyyyy
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Anything bro haha. As long you are happy with it.

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QUOTE(Jedi3815 @ Oct 18 2022, 11:00 AM)
have been disgruntled with the current situation in the world, and nothing much i can do with my minimum wage. cant find new company because no one wants to pay for more (lol), cant migrate, because no money, cant change stupid policies because im not that influential.

let me know if there are opportunities to work overseas.
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Same negative view of how things are here and in the world.

Looking for overseas jobs too.

Actually I wrote a long rant about the education in Malaysia but in the end decided not to post it, it's no use, we can't hope to achieve anything by ranting here. I just try to instill problem solving skills, show handyman (kemahiran hidup) skills and character traits so hopefully they can do well in life. I put Family Link in their phones to control the time they spend on phones, locked Youtube app, removed my teenage child's access to laptop and make that child share the laptop with a primary school sibling - because all of the kids were hooked on social media and KPOP - after all this, the youngest one started reading more books, since there wasn't much to do to.

I have to do cold turkey to ensure they can survive some period without socmed - else they will throw tantrums when devices are removed or be super anti-social.
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post Nov 7 2022, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Jedi3815 @ Oct 18 2022, 10:05 AM)
Ok, now this post might be TOO opinionated as there are many factions of opinions on what we should/can teach our kids (next generation). BUT, the underlying issue we face today is the fact that our Education Minister has been (since as long as i can remember) been on "experimental" phases with their "structure" and "targets" in terms of education to students.

I remember I was the 1st generation to have dual-language exams, which in hindsight prepared me to university level-style of education, and 2 years later the programme was terminated since there was a change of Education Minister.

Now, the internet does not help with the world's education problem since information and misinformation are presented as facts, and people would believe anything "because it's on them googles, so it must be trueeee~~".

The question I ask in this thread is, "Is there a way for us to fix our syllabus, to fit a more modern way of doing things?" 11+11 = 22, i dont get this idea of 11 + 11 = 11 + 10 + 1 = 21 + 1 = 22. doubling the work to get the same result. Is it faster? nope. why? what's with that thinking? i dont get that.

Now some might go even further by saying "we shouldnt teach math or science, we should only teach religion because math/science can lead them to neraka", ok. to those who said that, go to hell, i cant/wont argue with bigots who couldnt understand that the world we live in right now, 100% of the time, math/science has shaped the world (for better or for worse), religion is a side quest only.

Lets get back to the main topic.

My kids got home, and they said that they learn new ways to do math, which is more confusing because by the time they go to universities that method will die out because 10 times out 10, you are dealing with advance maths and calculator would render the method obsolete. now, you might argue "its the concept that counts" and you are ABSOLUTELY right, the concept of 11 + 11 = 22 is literally 11 + 11 = 22, and not 11 + 11 = 11 + 10 + 1 = 21 + 1 = 22.

I have voted (counting using my fingers) 3 times in Malaysia's general election, and those 3 times still doesnt change anything, since the "majority" wins, and the elected PM elected an idiot to helm the Education Ministry role.

So again, my question is "Is there a way for us to fix our syllabus, to fit a more modern way of doing things?".
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The school system here is broken and will never change because it is being used as a political tool.

Even the politicians don’t send their kids to public schools.

Your only option is to homeschool, go private school or move overseas.

But your kids will be ok if you teach them how to think, be inquisitive and always question things…

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QUOTE(Jedi3815 @ Oct 18 2022, 10:05 AM)
Ok, now this post might be TOO opinionated as there are many factions of opinions on what we should/can teach our kids (next generation). BUT, the underlying issue we face today is the fact that our Education Minister has been (since as long as i can remember) been on "experimental" phases with their "structure" and "targets" in terms of education to students.

I remember I was the 1st generation to have dual-language exams, which in hindsight prepared me to university level-style of education, and 2 years later the programme was terminated since there was a change of Education Minister.

Now, the internet does not help with the world's education problem since information and misinformation are presented as facts, and people would believe anything "because it's on them googles, so it must be trueeee~~".

The question I ask in this thread is, "Is there a way for us to fix our syllabus, to fit a more modern way of doing things?" 11+11 = 22, i dont get this idea of 11 + 11 = 11 + 10 + 1 = 21 + 1 = 22. doubling the work to get the same result. Is it faster? nope. why? what's with that thinking? i dont get that.

Now some might go even further by saying "we shouldnt teach math or science, we should only teach religion because math/science can lead them to neraka", ok. to those who said that, go to hell, i cant/wont argue with bigots who couldnt understand that the world we live in right now, 100% of the time, math/science has shaped the world (for better or for worse), religion is a side quest only.

Lets get back to the main topic.

My kids got home, and they said that they learn new ways to do math, which is more confusing because by the time they go to universities that method will die out because 10 times out 10, you are dealing with advance maths and calculator would render the method obsolete. now, you might argue "its the concept that counts" and you are ABSOLUTELY right, the concept of 11 + 11 = 22 is literally 11 + 11 = 22, and not 11 + 11 = 11 + 10 + 1 = 21 + 1 = 22.

I have voted (counting using my fingers) 3 times in Malaysia's general election, and those 3 times still doesnt change anything, since the "majority" wins, and the elected PM elected an idiot to helm the Education Ministry role.

So again, my question is "Is there a way for us to fix our syllabus, to fit a more modern way of doing things?".
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Fixing the current system will needs resources and time. An education system without examination to gauge the student level of understanding is like production without QA/QC and performance report card free for those who are governing the system. We need a new government to revamp the entire education system. We need not look too far as SG has excellent education system. Needless to recreate the wheel, just emulate their system and followed by educator's training.

 

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